iOS 19 Expected to Run on These iPhones

[Stuwil]

Do I? No.

Do millions of others? Sure.

Your point?

And no I would never switch to android because android is a terrible operating system

That’s my point exactly
You brought up android & lack of software updates & how some phones don’t even get many updates and I said because they probably don’t care when they buy it

I said pixel & flagship Samsung phones are getting 7 years of updates & you have just said I’m not switching anyway so what is your actual point?

As I said that’s good if a company offers you 7 years worth of software updates
if you intend to keep it that long

 

[JGIGS]

Half of those phones won't receive at least half of the new features of iOs 19 but yay?

 

[Stuwil]

Half of those phones won't receive at least half of the new features of iOs 19 but yay?

Exactly it’s not until you download it or actually read the official page at the bottom it tells you that iPhones under this model won’t get this feature & that feature

 

[scorpio vega]

That’s my point exactly
You brought up android & lack of software updates & how some phones don’t even get many updates and I said because they probably don’t care when they buy it

I said pixel & flagship Samsung phones are getting 7 years of updates & you have just said I’m not switching anyway so what is your actual point?

As I said that’s good if a company offers you 7 years worth of software updates
if you intend to keep it that long

And if I choose to keep this 16 for 6-7 years then that is good to know I’m supported.

Parents also buy their kids phones and it’s good to know that these phones will be supported with features that they can use for safety and family sharing.

 

[Stuwil]

And if I choose to keep this 16 for 6-7 years then that is good to know I’m supported.

Parents also buy their kids phones and it’s good to know that these phones will be supported with features that they can use for safety and family sharing.

And if I buy the S25 ultra then I know it will be supported for 7 years worth of software updates
So what’s your point caller

Ok my nephew has a Samsung & it’s supported for years with updates & security patches
So what’s your point

I’ve already said I have an iPhone but your lucky if I keep it for 12 to 18 months so support is not my main factor in purchasing it

 

[scorpio vega]

And if I buy the S25 ultra then I know it will be supported for 7 years worth of software updates
So what’s your point caller

Ok my nephew has a Samsung & it’s supported for years with updates & security patches
So what’s your point

I’ve already said I have an iPhone but your lucky if I keep it for 12 to 18 months so support is not my main factor in purchasing it

Lmao i
Not asking you to justify or explain your usage. We aren’t talking about you so that’s irrelevant to the conversation.

Never mind that over HALF of androids are running outdated versions of Android. But hey you’ll eventually get updates I guess 🤣😂 compared to over half iPhones down to the xr are running iOS 18

 

[Stuwil]

Lmao i
Not asking you to justify or explain your usage. We aren’t talking about you so that’s irrelevant to the conversation.

Never mind that over HALF of androids are running outdated versions of Android. But hey you’ll eventually get updates I guess 🤣😂 compared to over half iPhones down to the xr are running iOS 18

What are you on about?
You’re the one that said if I keep my iphone 16 it will get 6 to 7 years of updates & i said ok so if you have an S25 ultra you will get the same so what’s your point?

So over half of androids are running outdated versions of androids and I’m saying the person who purchased it probably doesn’t care that much anyway so what’s your point?

I’ve just said that’s good if a company offers you about 6 to 7 years of updates and you intend to keep your mobile that long but for others it ultimately doesn’t matter

now that pixel’s & flagship Samsung’s offer 7 years of software updates it obviously doesn’t matter to you anyway because you still wouldn’t switch over so what’s your actual point?

 

[Atog]

Half of those phones won't receive at least half of the new features of iOs 19 but yay?

Exactly AI made all phones except 15 pro and up obsolete. They will receive new iOS but watered down version.

 

[Stuwil]

Exactly AI made all phones except 15 pro and up obsolete. They will receive new iOS but watered down version.

Exactly that’s the point I made in a different thread because of Apple intelligence it’s going to basically separate the OS

 

[Atog]

Exactly that’s the point I made in a different thread because of Apple intelligence it’s going to basically separate the OS

And that’s the most non eco-friendly move Apple could ever do. They should offer at least some way how to participate on AI with older devices. The better AI becomes the worse it will be as more people will be switching to get latest and greatest.

But somehow Mother Nature doesn’t care 😃

 

[AndiG]

Do I? No.

Do millions of others? Sure.

Your point?

And no I would never switch to android because android is a terrible operating system

Have you seen it lately? It became that close to iOS, there isn‘t much left - and on the other hand Tim is killing iOS with hundreds of useless features and physical buttons.
New photos is still not useable - while AI ontegration on e.g. Pixel phone is awesome

 

[jacquesvfd]

iOS 19 will not be available on the iPhone XR, iPhone XS, or the iPhone XS Max, according a private account on social media site X that has accurately provided information on device compatibility in the past.

The iPhone XR, iPhone XS, and iPhone XS Max all have an A12 Bionic chip, so it looks like iOS 19 will discontinue support for that chip. All other iPhones that run iOS 18 are expected to support iOS 19, with a full compatibility list below.

• iPhone 16e
  
• iPhone 16
  
• iPhone 16 Plus
  
• iPhone 16 Pro
  
• iPhone 16 Pro Max
  
• iPhone 15
  
• iPhone 15 Plus
  
• iPhone 15 Pro
  
• iPhone 15 Pro Max
  
• iPhone 14
  
• iPhone 14 Plus
  
• iPhone 14 Pro
  
• iPhone 14 Pro Max
  
• iPhone 13
  
• iPhone 13 mini
  
• iPhone 13 Pro
  
• iPhone 13 Pro Max
  
• iPhone 12
  
• iPhone 12 mini
  
• iPhone 12 Pro
  
• iPhone 12 Pro Max
  
• iPhone 11
  
• iPhone 11 Pro
  
• iPhone 11 Pro Max
  
• iPhone SE (2nd generation or later)

While these iPhones will support iOS 19, advanced features may be limited to newer iPhones with faster processors. Apple Intelligence in iOS 18, for example, only runs on the iPhone 15 Pro and the iPhone 16 models.

As for iPadOS 19, it is expected to drop support for the seventh-generation low-cost iPad with A10 Fusion chip. It sounds like iPads that are equipped with the A12 Bionic such as the iPad mini 5 will be compatible with iPadOS 19.

The source that shared the information also provided details on the devices that would be compatible with iOS 18 ahead of when iOS 18 was unveiled.

Apple is planning to introduce iOS 19 and iPadOS 19 at the Worldwide Developers Conference that is set to begin on Monday, June 9.

Article Link: iOS 19 Expected to Run on These iPhones

Why isn’t the source on X linked?

 

[SwedeC]

My 2020 little SE2-64GB staggers on through another update.

 

[Adora]

Sad if they might ditch my iPad Air 3 (2019) because of the A12 Bionic and only keep the iPad 9 (2021). They have the same amount of RAM and cores.

I bought those a year ago because they were the last with Home Button and Touch ID. Together with a 2nd Gen. 12.9" iPad Pro.

For iOS 18 they only throw out the A10X Fusion iPad Pros and the 6th gen iPad with an A10 Fusion but not the 7th Gen. that had the same A10 Fusion but 3 instead of 2GB RAM.

My iPad Pro with the better A10X Fusion and even 4GB didn't get iOS 18. Why?

I just noticed there is no A11 whatever iPad of any kind.

But I am happy that my SE2 is still supported and the SE3 of course. I feared they phase them out much earlier than normal because of the form factor.

There are already many apps that are almost or really unusable. I had some apps where you have to enter something in a field outside the screen and you can only scroll down by holding a finger and then can't type while holding. With luck and you are fast, you can put a cursor in there and type blindly but then the confirmation button is further down again and can't be pushed while you hold the scrolled down screen.

 

[oldmacs]

Sad if they might ditch my iPad Air 3 (2019) because of the A12 Bionic and only keep the iPad 9 (2021). They have the same amount of RAM and cores.

I bought those a year ago because they were the last with Home Button and Touch ID. Together with a 2nd Gen. 12.9" iPad Pro.

For iOS 18 they only throw out the A10X Fusion iPad Pros and the 6th gen iPad with an A10 Fusion but not the 7th Gen. that had the same A10 Fusion but 3 instead of 2GB RAM.

My iPad Pro with the better A10X Fusion and even 4GB didn't get iOS 18. Why?

I just noticed there is no A11 whatever iPad of any kind.

But I am happy that my SE2 is still supported and the SE3 of course. I feared they phase them out much earlier than normal because of the form factor.

There are already many apps that are almost or really unusable. I had some apps where you have to enter something in a field outside the screen and you can only scroll down by holding a finger and then can't type while holding. With luck and you are fast, you can put a cursor in there and type blindly but then the confirmation button is further down again and can't be pushed while you hold the scrolled down screen.

I think it's all based on some arbitrary decision on the installed base of iPads/when they were last sold etc instead of it being purely this model is powerful enough to run the new software.

Apple need to do better, a proper commitment to the environment would be supporting devices as long as possible - also allowing users to stay on older versions with security updates and allowing downgrades.

From the rumours 19 seems to be mainly a cosmetic update - so nothing should be being dropped - but it will, as Apple needs to push people onto newer devices.

 

[scorpio vega]

Have you seen it lately? It became that close to iOS, there isn‘t much left - and on the other hand Tim is killing iOS with hundreds of useless features and physical buttons.
New photos is still not useable - while AI ontegration on e.g. Pixel phone is awesome

Yes I have seen it unfortunately. Still a subpar ecosystem.

Pixels are the better android phones which isn’t saying much when the Majority suck

 

[scorpio vega]

Apple need to do better, a proper commitment to the environment would be supporting devices as long as possible - also allowing users to stay on older versions with security updates and allowing downgrades

Which they already do for the most part. Aside from letting you downgrade to older versions and even they give you a window to do that.

iOS 15 and 16 released in 2021 and 2022 just recently received a security update.

I’m not sure how 6-7 years of Os updates and still doing security updates is not doing enough.

Android could never.

From the rumours 19 seems to be mainly a cosmetic update - so nothing should be being dropped - but it will, as Apple needs to push people onto newer devices.

The rumored oldest device is an iPhone 11 from 2019.

If they were trying to push you to buy devices as you all claim they’d been dropped the 11-14 and only focused on the 15 and later. Let’s not be hyperbolic.

Exactly that’s the point I made in a different thread because of Apple intelligence it’s going to basically separate the OS

At some point Apple may have to drop the older versions support to go all in for Ai.

But it needs to make AI more compelling before it does that.

But if Android can make fragmentation work and people still support that mess of an OS then I’m sure Apple can too lmao

And that’s the most non eco-friendly move Apple could ever do. They should offer at least some way how to participate on AI with older devices. The better AI becomes the worse it will be as more people will be switching to get latest and greatest.

But somehow Mother Nature doesn’t care 😃

Make it work on older devices at the expense of performance?

We’ve seen what happens when Android phones who usually have on paper far better specs than iPhones try to get every feature under the sun and the performance sucks.

I like the AI on my 16 pm. For what it is, it works great.

I would HATE the experience of AI on my 13 bc it works just fine as it is.

I think supporting the 15 pm was generous. I would have been okay with them simply going 16 and up.

 

[Stuwil]

Which they already do for the most part. Aside from letting you downgrade to older versions and even they give you a window to do that.

iOS 15 and 16 released in 2021 and 2022 just recently received a security update.

I’m not sure how 6-7 years of Os updates and still doing security updates is not doing enough.

Android could never.

The rumored oldest device is an iPhone 11 from 2019.

If they were trying to push you to buy devices as you all claim they’d been dropped the 11-14 and only focused on the 15 and later. Let’s not be hyperbolic.

At some point Apple may have to drop the older versions support to go all in for Ai.

But it needs to make AI more compelling before it does that.

But if Android can make fragmentation work and people still support that mess of an OS then I’m sure Apple can too lmao

Make it work on older devices at the expense of performance?

We’ve seen what happens when Android phones who usually have on paper far better specs than iPhones try to get every feature under the sun and the performance sucks.

I like the AI on my 16 pm. For what it is, it works great.

I would HATE the experience of AI on my 13 bc it works just fine as it is.

I think supporting the 15 pm was generous. I would have been okay with them simply going 16 and up.

Well that’s not true because family members of mine use Samsung devices and keep them for years and the updates are pretty spot on regarding features & performance is still pretty good compared with some iPhones I’ve owned that has struggled after a good few updates.

Nobody is asking for iPhones like the 13 to be supported with AI however what people’s complaints are is launching a mobile year one year & the next it’s deliberately cut out of the new AI where as my understanding on the Competition from that year pixel 8 & samsung s24 series got it not just selected models

 

[JTK Awesome]

Exactly AI made all phones except 15 pro and up obsolete. They will receive new iOS but watered down version.

In case you haven't heard, Apple's version of AI turned out to be vaporware.

 

[Atog]

In case you haven't heard, Apple's version of AI turned out to be vaporware.

I use it and it works except siri quite good. Not that bad as I expected. And it will get better.

 

[Stuwil]

In case you haven't heard, Apple's version of AI turned out to be vaporware.

That’s because Apple panicked because companies like Samsung & google had already implemented into their phones & they were starting to get slated in the tech press because where behind these companies
So that is why Apple intelligence feels like it’s been tacked on to iOS 18 at the last minute & why the 15’s never got it because it wasn’t planned for iOS 18.

 

[zapmymac]

13PM is still happily on 17, and it will stay that way until a major zero-day / exploit hits…

iOS 19 tbd

It’s been a great phone, up there with the 8+

 

[oldmacs]

Which they already do for the most part. Aside from letting you downgrade to older versions and even they give you a window to do that.

iOS 15 and 16 released in 2021 and 2022 just recently received a security update.

I’m not sure how 6-7 years of Os updates and still doing security updates is not doing enough.

Android could never.

iOS 15 and 16 don't receive regular updates - this was a one off and my point is that (for example) iPhone 8 should have able to run iOS 17 (given the iPad 6th gen supports iPadOS 17 with near identical specs) and the iPhone X should have been able to run iOS 18 (given the iPad 7th gen supports iPadOS 18 with lesser specs). Same with the iPhone 6S/SE/7 - they should have at least gotten iOS 16 given (given the iPad 6th gen supports iPadOS 16 with the same or specs).

Clearly making arbitrary decisions to cut software support is not doing enough. Basing software support on anything other than a devices ability to run software with an acceptable level of performance, from a technical standpoint is not doing enough.

The non consistent security updates is also not doing enough. iOS/iPadOS 16 has had months and months of no updates. iOS 15 and 16 should be getting regular security updates at the same time that iOS 18 and iPadOS 17 are getting security updates.

 

[FeliApple]

I think it's all based on some arbitrary decision on the installed base of iPads/when they were last sold etc instead of it being purely this model is powerful enough to run the new software.

Apple need to do better, a proper commitment to the environment would be supporting devices as long as possible - also allowing users to stay on older versions with security updates and allowing downgrades.

From the rumours 19 seems to be mainly a cosmetic update - so nothing should be being dropped - but it will, as Apple needs to push people onto newer devices.

Agreed. The solution is to do better on iOS updates. I have to stay behind and never update because I want my older devices to work properly, and all I can do is stay behind.

Do better. Maintain performance and battery life with iOS updates AND freely allow downgrades so as to offer a choice. You’d see a LOT more people using older devices instead of throwing them away.

 

[scorpio vega]

Well that’s not true because family members of mine use Samsung devices and keep them for years and the updates are pretty spot on regarding features & performance is still pretty good compared with some iPhones I’ve owned that has struggled after a good few updates.

And on the flip side my old iPhone 11 was running iOS BETAS with no issues and my mothers galaxy fold is already lagging.

Lmao I would rather use an iPhone 8 over any android b

Nobody is asking for iPhones like the 13 to be supported with AI however what people’s complaints are is launching a mobile year one year & the next it’s deliberately cut out of the new AI where as my understanding on the Competition from that year pixel 8 & samsung s24 series got it not just selected models

Apple literally supports the 15 on AI so your point is invalid.

iOS 15 and 16 don't receive regular updates - this was a one off and my point is that (for example) iPhone 8 should have able to run iOS 17 (given the iPad 6th gen supports iPadOS 17 with near identical specs) and the iPhone X should have been able to run iOS 18 (given the iPad 7th gen supports iPadOS 18 with lesser specs)

iPad os and iOS are not the same os lmao. While they share a common foundation they are still separate OS.

Same with the iPhone 6S/SE/7 - they should have at least gotten iOS 16 given (given the iPad 6th gen supports iPadOS 16 with the same or specs).

So you basically want Apple to start doing what android does and releasing software updates to hamper older hardware just to say they updated.

Apple does have a reputation to uphold so I can see why they wouldn’t release it considering the iPhone 6s has 2 gb ram and the minimum is 4gb.

Clearly making arbitrary decisions to cut software support is not doing enough. Basing software support on anything other than a devices ability to run software with an acceptable level of performance, from a technical standpoint is not doing enough.

It is. Just isn’t for you.

The non consistent security updates is also not doing enough. iOS/iPadOS 16 has had months and months of no updates. iOS 15 and 16 should be getting regular security updates at the same time that iOS 18 and iPadOS 17 are getting security updates.

Please show me what major OS is still supporting EOL software at the same speed as their current versions.

Every major Os(android, Mac, iOS/ipad os, windows) focuses on their current versions and if there is a major security release needed for older versions and the usage share is high enough to warrant, they release updates.