Yeah, I’m excited to see what’s coming to the platforms! Especially iPadOS, because my iPad is my favorite device, and it’s the only device I run betas on currently. I’m also saving up to upgrade to an M4 iPad Pro, so I’m excited about that as well on a separate note. 👍🏻
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Yeah, me too. Right now my iPad is my main computer and I use it a lot. I’m quite optimistic about that Stage Manager 2.0, we’ll see if they find or what doesn’t click on the current version and hopefully it will make the iPad a more computer like device.
And fingers crossed for it to not requiere an original “iPad Magic Keyboard”, because I use the iPad with Mac peripherals.
I still have the M2 iPad Pro, one of the iPads that has been the longest on sale. Let’s hope they treat it like the iPad Air 2 and give it proper support for many more years. Limiting features to the M4 iPad Pro so early would feel wrong.
Yeah, I don’t think they’ll require the Magic Keyboard Case for the features, it will likely work with any supported keyboard as it already is.
My guess is the only things that may require the M4 chip would be more graphics related. The M4 has a significant advantages in several graphics use-cases, so I could see that. And maybe some more CPU heavy processes would benefit from the M4, but I’m guessing the vast majority of features will be supported on M1 and newer iPads. I doubt they would require the M4 for anything beyond niche stuff at this point. I do think though that many of the larger features would likely not support A-series iPads, or at least pre-A17 iPads. I could see Apple trying to move the support specs closer to the M1 this year, they may drop Intel Macs this year, and it could make sense to do so with the redesign. I think if Intel Macs are supported, they will not gain as many features almost for sure. And I see Apple trying to move more advanced iPadOS features to the M-series chips. It will be easier for Apple to unify the platforms and bring macOS features to the iPad and vice versa once they no longer have to support Intel Macs, and they can use more shared code base. I suspect while we’ll see surface-level changes this year pretty much for sure, there will likely be moves to unify the code-bases in the background as well. Already we’ve seen Apple is working in that direction, every year the base-code becomes more similar in more ways. MacOS is gaining more of the privacy and security protections of iPadOS, and iPadOS is gaining more of macOS’s features in a way that makes sense for the iPad. I think this update will be a major milestone on that journey. 👍🏻
Funny I am looking at testing the waters with my 8k Mac on MacOS 16. Yes a Mac Studio with the following:
- Apple M3 Ultra chip with 32-core CPU, 80‑core GPU, 32-core Neural Engine
- Front: Two Thunderbolt 5 ports, SDXC card slot
- Back: Four Thunderbolt 5 ports, two USB-A ports, HDMI port, 10Gb Ethernet port, headphone jack
- 4TB SSD storage
- Accessory Kit
- 256GB unified memory
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Not happening this year. iPhone came out in 2007.
Sounds like ideally you have to use the larger iPhone 17 pro max models for that as they are 6.9”. 18.5 no longer rubber band windows back over windows they now move off screen, so Apple now makes it lot more likely it’s plannned.
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I’ve been expecting they will do this from day one when they announced it. I think it makes a lot of sense for them to provide access to Apple Intelligence features for third-party apps, especially with the privacy and security protections in place. This could end up being pretty big for certain types of apps, they could possibly even use personal context without the app or developer having any direct access to your private data! 👍🏻iOS 19 Will Let Developers Use Apple's AI Models in Their Apps
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Hey all, I know this is puuuure speculation, maybe too much, but that’s what this thread is for, right?
iOS 19 is expected to be compatible with A13 devices, right? We still don’t know if the cut will be in the A12, A13 or A14, but it seems likely to be the A13.
As we all know, the A14 was a significant upgrade in the silicon: shift to 5nm, doubling the neural engine cores, brand new CPU and GPU cores… something that was further refined with the excellent A15 adding more caché and a much faster neural engine. The A15 was used by Apple in a lot of devices: iPad mini, Apple TV, iPhone 13, 13 mini, 13 Pro, iPhone 14… and I’m probably leaving some devices out.
Both the A14 and the A15 experienced an important increase on the GPU performance as well, going from 13300 metal points on the A13, to 16000 metal points on the A14 and 17200 in the A15.
But the A13 metal score (13300) was an even bigger jump if we compare it to the A12 GPU metal score, which was only 8800 points.
So the really big GPU performance increase came with the A13 SoC, and that’s why it makes sense to make it the lower SoC that supports iOS 19. I don’t think this time Apple will support iPadOS 19 on the iPad 8th gen with an A12, and if they do, I very much doubt the performance will be good.
What I really mean to ask is, keeping in mind that iOS 19 is coming with a big graphical redesign and a more taxing UI with more transparencies and Gaussian blurs and all that stuff, how do you think the performance on the oldest iPhones will be?
My guess, and I repeat this is just pure speculation, is that the A13 devices such as the iPhone 11 or SE2 will do fine if Apple really optimises the code for that minimum common denominator. I have a family member with an SE2, with the A13 chip, and according to him, the phone already drags it’s feet with iOS 18, so that doesn’t make me too optimistic. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I only see a good performance if Apple really optimises the code programming iOS 19 only for the A13 and newer chips.
On the other hand, I expect a very good performance on A16 devices and newer.
As you may know, I own an SE3 which is powered by an A15 SoC. How do you think iOS 19 performance will be on this devices
Apple should use this year’s software to remove a lot of old code, and center on the new hardware, A13 and onwards, to build the UI taking advantage of all the technologies this chips carry.
And why not? Make a more intense usage of the neural engine, especially in the A14 and upwards. Maybe it can be used as an auxiliary GPU help?
iOS 19 is expected to be compatible with A13 devices, right? We still don’t know if the cut will be in the A12, A13 or A14, but it seems likely to be the A13.
As we all know, the A14 was a significant upgrade in the silicon: shift to 5nm, doubling the neural engine cores, brand new CPU and GPU cores… something that was further refined with the excellent A15 adding more caché and a much faster neural engine. The A15 was used by Apple in a lot of devices: iPad mini, Apple TV, iPhone 13, 13 mini, 13 Pro, iPhone 14… and I’m probably leaving some devices out.
Both the A14 and the A15 experienced an important increase on the GPU performance as well, going from 13300 metal points on the A13, to 16000 metal points on the A14 and 17200 in the A15.
But the A13 metal score (13300) was an even bigger jump if we compare it to the A12 GPU metal score, which was only 8800 points.
So the really big GPU performance increase came with the A13 SoC, and that’s why it makes sense to make it the lower SoC that supports iOS 19. I don’t think this time Apple will support iPadOS 19 on the iPad 8th gen with an A12, and if they do, I very much doubt the performance will be good.
What I really mean to ask is, keeping in mind that iOS 19 is coming with a big graphical redesign and a more taxing UI with more transparencies and Gaussian blurs and all that stuff, how do you think the performance on the oldest iPhones will be?
My guess, and I repeat this is just pure speculation, is that the A13 devices such as the iPhone 11 or SE2 will do fine if Apple really optimises the code for that minimum common denominator. I have a family member with an SE2, with the A13 chip, and according to him, the phone already drags it’s feet with iOS 18, so that doesn’t make me too optimistic. Hopefully I’m wrong, but I only see a good performance if Apple really optimises the code programming iOS 19 only for the A13 and newer chips.
On the other hand, I expect a very good performance on A16 devices and newer.
As you may know, I own an SE3 which is powered by an A15 SoC. How do you think iOS 19 performance will be on this devices
Apple should use this year’s software to remove a lot of old code, and center on the new hardware, A13 and onwards, to build the UI taking advantage of all the technologies this chips carry.
And why not? Make a more intense usage of the neural engine, especially in the A14 and upwards. Maybe it can be used as an auxiliary GPU help?
Yeah, good points! 👍🏻. That seems pretty reasonable to me. I’ll probably end up upgrading my phone within the next year or so, but my iPhone 12 is still running strong with no issues, so hopefully iOS 19 should perform well on it. 👍🏻
Can’t believe we’re almost 2 weeks away!! Crazy how fast time is flying
That's not the OS, that's Authenticator. Moving it to a new device still baffles me. I can save/restore my personal account, but not my work account...
Yeah, it’s annoying. I think I set up my phone number as an alternative verification method for my account, so I might be able to use that. But I don’t really want to take any chances.
Just remember you said that when it’s Christmas and you are still waiting for Siri upgrades.
This would corroborate with the fact the "glassy" icons will not be circular. it will indeed be a "squircle", unlike many rumor sources claimed that the iOS 19 icons will be circular like the Apple Vision Pro.
EDIT: I think it will be gone in iOS 18.5.1
Great find! This looks great! Still a squircle (I really prefer squircle icons!) and it looks similar to the macOS FaceTime icon with a bit more of a glassy look (also a fan of!). I’m hoping the icons will be more neumorphic like the macOS ones! So excited to see what we get at WWDC25! 👍🏻
It's the macOS FaceTime icon and has been there since at least last year.This would corroborate with the fact the "glassy" icons will not be circular. it will indeed be a "squircle", unlike many rumor sources claimed that the iOS 19 icons will be circular like the Apple Vision Pro.
EDIT: I think it will be gone in iOS 18.5.1
I think blur/transparency doesn't have to be that difficult to handle but I could be wrong. I know the A5 chip back on the iPhone 4S was capable of blur (albeit with bad performance).
True, and the chips we have nowadays are like 10 times more powerful. However, I think many of us are still traumatised by Windows Vista… that’s why we do that association.
Hopefully they won’t tax too much the GPUs of the A13 and later…