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iOS 27: New Siri Features Could Be Gated Behind a Waitlist

At first I thought Big Bear sounded stupid, but now that I think about it, "Big Bear" kind of has a callback to "Snow Leopard". I could also see Federighi making a joke about clearing out the Intel code and optimizing as being a "big bear" of a job.

Also, Emerald Lake to Tahoe, as Snow Leopard is to Leopard, also works.

Man, we really need a 'Snow Leopard' type release. Really, really, really, badly.
 
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xxFoxtail said:
A waitlist makes sense if this Siri is mostly server side. But I was kind of hoping this model would be more on-device with whatever demanding tasks being offloaded. If we have to pay for it, I hope it's tied into Apple One and not creative studio.
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They announced this two years ago for the iPhone 16 series, with support back to 15 Pro but not standard.

I know what the point of that really was, but ostensibly that's the hardware requirement to use Apple Intelligence, strongly implying that it runs locally.

I'm guessing they are going to require a 17 Pro or better for true local, if even that.

They are so far behind on this, they are basically just having to use what Google gives them at this point. Google does have some large local models, but I don't know if Apple will use them that way.

As for subscriptions, with Tim Cook out I'm not as certain as I once was that that will be coming soon, but yes they will likely tie it in to Apple One and raise the price at the same time at some point.
 
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This solves it for me: I am not upgrading again this cycle. I got suckered into buying two iPhone 16 Pros a couple years ago based off features that never came and it sounds like we’ll be in a similar boat again this year.
 
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We need to remember that all the all of the Mac products were suddenly moved from 8GB of ram to 16GB of ram as minimum memory for AI.

My Neo laptop has 8GB on an iPhone A series chip but certainly is no powerhouse. Would not expect that laptop to run AI as even the base 256GB SSD is too small for a swap area for AI and I doubt my 512GB has surplus room either.

That is why Apple has crawled slowly up the memory hill going from 6 to 8 and now 12 on the iPhone 17. I expect the iPhone 18 to have the necessary 16GB memory to actually run AI and it would have to have the very large storage space for all the AI stuff if it is to actually run on an iPhone.

Notice the obsolesce creep over the last few years. I really think AI will be the end of the earlier iPhone line. perhaps even starting with the iPhone 17 and all those models going before will be rendered inoperative because of the AI memory requirement.

That reality would certainly darken a lot of fan blades with bovine byproducts!
 
CarAnalogy said:
It continues to astound me how badly they missed the mark announcing this two years ago.
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Really? This astounds you?
From the company who announced in 1998 that Mac OS X should launch by the end of 1999, and it ended up not launching until March 2001?
The same company who announced a 3 GHz G5 would ship in 2004, and ended up… Switching to Intel 2 1/2 years later instead?
The same company who announced in June 2005 that Leopard wood ship in late 2006, and then that moved to spring 2007, and then it ended up not actually shipping until October 2007?
The same company who released Mobile Me?
The same company who announced the white iPhone 4 in June 2010… And then didn’t ship it until April 2011?
The same company who released Apple Maps? And iTunes Ping?
AirPower?
AirPlay 2, announced in June 2017, shipped in the last week of May 2018.
The original HomePod, shipped almost a year after it was originally announced.
The same company who, when it existed, would regularly take up to 6 years between MacPro updates?


Seriously, this is nothing new.
Apple has been delaying things and announcing things way too early for over 30 years now.
And it absolutely is not a Tim Cook thing, seeing as his predecessor did this all the time.

At the end of the day, just like leopard shipping, just like the white iPhone 4, just like so many other things, if new Siri actually works, all of the delays and prior announcements will be relegated to the dustbin of history and no one will really be talking about them anymore.
 
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switz said:
We need to remember that all the all of the Mac products were suddenly moved from 8GB of ram to 16GB of ram as minimum memory for AI.

My Neo laptop has 8GB on an iPhone A series chip but certainly is no powerhouse. Would not expect that laptop to run AI as even the base 256GB SSD is too small for a swap area for AI and I doubt my 512GB has surplus room either.

That is why Apple has crawled slowly up the memory hill going from 6 to 8 and now 12 on the iPhone 17. I expect the iPhone 18 to have the necessary 16GB memory to actually run AI and it would have to have the very large storage space for all the AI stuff if it is to actually run on an iPhone.

Notice the obsolesce creep over the last few years. I really think AI will be the end of the earlier iPhone line. perhaps even starting with the iPhone 17 and all those models going before will be rendered inoperative because of the AI memory requirement.

That reality would certainly darken a lot of fan blades with bovine byproducts!
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Man … if they marketed 8gb devices like the expensive OLED m4 iPad Pro as ready for their AI and they come back with “oops … we actually need 12-16gb minimum” … that will not look well at all. That’s basically what Tesla has done to their older vehicles they sold as FSD capable, to a lesser monetary expense.
 
Lounge vibes 05 said:
Really? This astounds you?
From the company who announced in 1998 that Mac OS X should launch by the end of 1999, and it ended up not launching until March 2001?
The same company who announced a 3 GHz G5 would ship in 2004, and ended up… Switching to Intel 2 1/2 years later instead?
The same company who announced in June 2005 that Leopard wood ship in late 2006, and then that moved to spring 2007, and then it ended up not actually shipping until October 2007?
The same company who released Mobile Me?
The same company who announced the white iPhone 4 in June 2010… And then didn’t ship it until April 2011?
The same company who released Apple Maps? And iTunes Ping?
AirPower?
AirPlay 2, announced in June 2017, shipped in the last week of May 2018.
The original HomePod, shipped almost a year after it was originally announced.
The same company who, when it existed, would regularly take up to 6 years between MacPro updates?


Seriously, this is nothing new.
Apple has been delaying things and announcing things way too early for over 30 years now.
And it absolutely is not a Tim Cook thing, seeing as his predecessor did this all the time.

At the end of the day, just like leopard shipping, just like the white iPhone 4, just like so many other things, if new Siri actually works, all of the delays and prior announcements will be relegated to the dustbin of history and no one will really be talking about them anymore.
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Yeah but at least some of those things that slipped were reasonable. And some of the software was swings and misses.

But for them to bold faced say the Siri we all know and despise would be that much better in a matter of mere months...

They might as well have said they were landing on the moon by Christmas.
 
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kiranmk2 said:
So probably the basic Siri chatbot App, based on Gemini will launch with iOS27 with features like personal context, on-screen awareness and coordinating between apps delayed to a later .x release in "early 2027"...
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Good grief I hope not after all this time but I would not be surprised either. It seems Apple's new slogan is "Coming Later"...lol.
 
At what point does Apple just eat crow and admit they promised way too much and can't ever hope to deliver on the promise? It's not like Apple hasn't made bold product claims before, and then just quietly backed into the bushes when it was obvious they had taken too strong a hit off their own pipe...

Homer Bush.GIF
 
AI is really just a bubble anyway, anyone remember the dot com bubble? I can't wait for it to burst, so that tech becomes useful again. I miss when clean and simple optimized software was the priority. How fast would iOS 3 run on iPhone 17?
 
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Billy_Bob said:
Decent AI requires insane amounts of computing power. Computing power is expensive, and becoming even more so as a result of demand exceeding supply.

By gating the new Apple AI features behind a beta waitlist (and maybe even a money-generating paywall), Apple can avoid overspending on cloud computing servers, and can bring new users on board at a pace that lets the company manage its costs, at a time when many of its competitors are struggling to stay profitable delivering AI to customers.
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Does Gemini have a waiting list and a paywall if I walk into Best Buy and lay down for a Samsung Galaxy S25 today?

The answer is no on both parts. Gemini actually WORKS on the Galaxy. No waiting list, no paywall. No beta BS two step. A mature, functioning consumer product that "just works".

Unlike Apple that promised something that would kinda work. IN 2024. It's been two years. TWO YEARS and you couldn't figure this out? Then you had to make this half aersed dash to your cross town rival and buy their system. Even run it on their servers. Just to show you did SOMETING?

Absolutely pathetic. Sears Pathetic. Kodak Pathetic. Blockbuster pathetic.

In any other industry, from any other company this would be characterized as an abject failure. A failure of vision, a failure of leadership, and a failure of execution. I've seen two bit local government agencies move with more competence and dispatch than this. People should be fired for it. Maybe Cook leaving will make things better, IDK.

As far as AI in general. I get it. A lot of people don't like it. There are a lot of parallels between the .COM bubble/bust and the AI bubble today. However, just like .COM and the internet. AI isn't going away. It's already a part of your existence. Just like the internet became. Adapt to it or fall behind.
 
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Billy_Bob said:
Decent AI requires insane amounts of computing power. Computing power is expensive, and becoming even more so as a result of demand exceeding supply.

By gating the new Apple AI features behind a beta waitlist (and maybe even a money-generating paywall), Apple can avoid overspending on cloud computing servers, and can bring new users on board at a pace that lets the company manage its costs, at a time when many of its competitors are struggling to stay profitable delivering AI to customers.
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It wouldn’t surprise me also to see it part of iCloud+ if they have to waitlist / gate it.
 
Waitlist makes sense as AI compute needed will be enormous: Much better to deliver good experience to some than broken experience to all.


I hope the SpaceX deal annouced today is not related, but timing seems to match closely:
Google will use about 110,000 Nvidia graphics processing units, as well as central processors, memory and other components housed in SpaceX’s data centers. The agreement spans from October of this year through June 2029 at the $920 million rate, and with “capacity ramping up through September at a reduced fee.”
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