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I want some of what MG is having.
That being said, having iOS/macOS/all other OS 27 be a fix/impreovement rather than add new stuff would be good. But I’ll believe it at WWDC
 
The problem is, these aren't the days that Snow Leopard developers are still at Apple.
And the problem with all of these bugs are all of the younger developers in there just destroying things piece by piece.

Sorry, but incompetence is incompetence. A generational loss has happened and we aren't going back to the days of human refactoring very much. So a Snow Leopard like fix will probably just introduce many new bugs that piggyback on the old ones.

While I was hoping for a release like this, I don't feel the developers are up for the challenge anymore so I'm not really holding my breath.
That's a great point. Often when newer developers are in code that has been around for years and start trying to rewrite it without full understanding of the code, there is a very high likelihood that something is going to break.
 
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Since macOS 27 has already been established as dropping Intel support it makes sense that they're doing a Snow Leopard-style cleanup across all of their OSs since they all sit on the same shared Darwin/XNU foundation and share a large number of libraries between them all.

I guess it might drop support for Intel Macs much like snow leopard dropped support for powerPC macs . This way they could optimise the code for Apple silicon 🤷‍♂️

Yeah! It just occurred to me before checking this thread that macOS 27 is the transition-wise counterpart to Snow Leopard in being the first version that exclusively supports the architecture being transitioned to.
 
I never said it's going to be bug-free. I said it's going to be an improvement.
And I said rewriting "typically involves" which means part of the process and not the entirety of it.

You're trying to read between the lines that are not there.
I'm not reading between anything. As a software developer, I have personally seen instances of

"No one rewrites code that ends up adding extra overhead compared to the existing one."

causing worse performance in cases the person who changed it hadn't considered.
 
The key thing that many folks miss with their revisionist glorification about Snow Leopard is that it was NOT the greatest update ever… when it first shipped in August of 2009. MacOS was in SUCH a bad state following Leopard that it took nearly 18 months to get Snow Leopard to the point that people remember. As another commenter mentioned, the bug that deleted users' data was once such pain point. Snow Leopard 10.6.5 shipped in November of 2010, and that was the first 'usable' (but not great) release of Snow Leopard. It took another nearly 6 months to get it to the state that is so fondly remembered. The 'glory days' of Snow Leopard actually came in the **2 YEARS** or so FOLLOWING 10.6.7 shipping (March 2011)! While Lion 10.7 (July 2011) turned out to be a regressive pain point, necessitating Mountain Lion 10.8 (July 2012), which itself didn't find footing until 10.8.3, which was released in March of 2013. And even then, a lot of users sat out Mountain Lion and didn't move on from Snow Leopard until OS X Mavericks 10.9.3 in May of 2014.

So Apple really needs to take a hard look at its current year-over-year dev cycle (which started, perhaps not coincidentally, with Lion!) to see how we've gotten to where we are: nearly 15 years of piling up technical debt…

At this point it's just become shorthand for the idea. I would wager that far more people recognize the phrase than who were even Mac users at that point.

Even taken literally, at least they recognized and acknowledged that they had a problem and started working on fixing it, even if it took a while to get there. And that's exactly what we need now.
 
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I guess it might drop support for Intel Macs much like snow leopard dropped support for powerPC macs . This way they could optimise the code for Apple silicon 🤷‍♂️
Apple already confirmed at least year's WWDC that Tahoe is the last version for Intel Macs; 27 will be Apple Silicon-only.
 
The problem is, these aren't the days that Snow Leopard developers are still at Apple.
And the problem with all of these bugs are all of the younger developers in there just destroying things piece by piece.

Sorry, but incompetence is incompetence. A generational loss has happened and we aren't going back to the days of human refactoring very much. So a Snow Leopard like fix will probably just introduce many new bugs that piggyback on the old ones.

While I was hoping for a release like this, I don't feel the developers are up for the challenge anymore so I'm not really holding my breath.
Completely untrue. You’re just regurgitating a false narrative that old people say about the younger generations.

The complexity of macOS/iOS today is exponentially higher than in the Snow Leopard era.

It’s not about “younger devs.” It’s about scaling, security demands, cloud infrastructure, Continuous delivery cycles, Shareholder/Market pressure for feature velocity and keeping up with competitors.

Snow Leopard shipped in 2009 with no iCloud, no system-wide privacy permissions model, a much smaller security threat landscape, simpler hardware landscape, etc.

Today’s developers handle distributed systems, GPU pipelines, ML inference, sandbox security, cloud sync, CI/CD — things Snow Leopard engineers didn’t have to juggle.

Different constraints. Different problems. Different coding practices.

Apple is much larger than it was back then and their products and services are much more complicated. The bigger Apple gets, the harder the workflow becomes for the devs. Especially when they have to look thru 20+ years of other developers work.
 
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Since macOS 27 has already been established as dropping Intel support it makes sense that they're doing a Snow Leopard-style cleanup across all of their OSs since they all sit on the same shared Darwin/XNU foundation and share a large number of libraries between them all.
Exactly. Since they all sit on that same Darwin foundation, the legacy Intel code has basically been architectural debt that even iOS has had to account for. Purging that for a 100% Apple Silicon baseline is the ultimate cleanup. It’s finally going to make the whole ecosystem leaner and more stable once those legacy hybrid layers are gone. This will be the first time in iOS history without any of that legacy debt from the Intel Mac side.
 
I don’t get why people aren’t happy with iOS 26? I mean I’m on a 17 pro and it’s absurdly awesome. I use the 80% charge limit an use maybe 30% of my battery a day and get 3-5 SOT with that. I don’t have any bugs. I feel like this phone is total overkill for anyone. I guess people who complain are probably the ones who are glued to their phones 8-10 hours a day.

Maybe I’m just getting old but I feel like the iPhone is great in its current state. Even my previous 14 pro felt like overkill. It was great on iOS 16. Then it went straight to hell on the first versions of 26 with overheating and then I traded it in. I’m guessing it’s probably ok enough for people now with 26.3.

I’m curious to see how much ram the 18pros will have. If it’s the same as the 17 pro maybe I’ll update to 27 but otherwise I’ll be sticking with 26 until I get a new phone in however many years.
 
I miss iOS 12 so much. One of my all time favorite releases.

Let’s assume that Gurman is correct about this for a second…

I, personally, will remain on iOS 27 for as long as possible if this actually does end up being iOS 12 “2.0”.
 
I hope it’s finally true this time. Fix the damn keyboard.

I seem to recall this was the rumor for the last two years until they panicked and shoved first broken promises of AI and then LG at us instead.
yes! i'd be happy if a total release was just dedicated to making the keyboard work. but I must say that disabling predictive text has somewhat improved it for me. it still likes to lookback autocorrect prior words even though I have autocorrect disabled. it's still a pain, but more like that numbed but still there headache after taking an advil.
 
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Apple's iOS 27 update will prioritize cleaning up the operating system's internals, with engineers making changes that could result in better battery life, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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The effort is said to be similar to what Apple did with its Snow Leopard Mac update years ago, and will involve removing old code, rewriting existing features, and subtly upgrading apps to improve their performance.

The result should hopefully be a "snappier, more responsive" OS, says Gurman. Apple is also reportedly planning some interface tweaks, but nothing as dramatic as the Liquid Glass overhaul introduced with iOS 26, which will likely comfort some users.

Code-named "Rave" internally, iOS 27 will also include efficiency improvements that Apple hopes will translate into tangible battery gains for users, says Gurman. However, it's unclear whether Apple would market those improvements or simply let users discover them on their own.

Gurman says getting the software into good shape is especially important as Apple prepares to launch new device categories, including a touchscreen MacBook Pro and its first foldable iPhone, both of which are expected in the second half of 2026.

The cleanup effort comes alongside Apple's other major iOS 27 priority of improving its AI capabilities. The revamped, chatbot-style Siri that Apple announced in June 2024 has been repeatedly delayed, and some of its features are now expected to arrive in iOS 27 rather than iOS 26, reports Gurman.



Article Link: iOS 27 'Rave' Update to Clean Up Code, Could Boost Battery Life
iOS 27 is a perfect chance for Apple to clean house. Use internal AI to scan the entire codebase, kill dead code, refactor legacy paths, and harden security and performance at scale. The key is human in the loop. Engineers set the quality bar, review every change, and keep control of architecture. AI does the heavy lifting, humans make sure nothing breaks.
 
I don’t get why people aren’t happy with iOS 26? I mean I’m on a 17 pro and it’s absurdly awesome. I use the 80% charge limit an use maybe 30% of my battery a day and get 3-5 SOT with that. I don’t have any bugs. I feel like this phone is total overkill for anyone. I guess people who complain are probably the ones who are glued to their phones 8-10 hours a day.

Maybe I’m just getting old but I feel like the iPhone is great in its current state. Even my previous 14 pro felt like overkill. It was great on iOS 16. Then it went straight to hell on the first versions of 26 with overheating and then I traded it in. I’m guessing it’s probably ok enough for people now with 26.3.

I’m curious to see how much ram the 18pros will have. If it’s the same as the 17 pro maybe I’ll update to 27 but otherwise I’ll be sticking with 26 until I get a new phone in however many years.

Because it looks like crap, and transparency sucks.
 
A long-awaited update. If it's as good as promised, I'll be updating iOS 18 to 27 on my devices.

I hope all devices that support iOS 26 will be able to receive the update.
 
release notes for the 10.6.1 update:

  • compatibility with some Sierra Wireless 3G modems
  • an issue that might cause DVD playback to stop unexpectedly
  • some printer compatibility drivers not appearing properly in the add printer browser
  • an issue that might make it difficult to remove an item from the Dock
  • instances where automatic account setup in Mail might not work
  • an issue where pressing cmd-opt-t in Mail brings up the special characters menu instead of moving a message
  • Motion 4 becoming unresponsive
10.6.2 update

  • an issue that might cause your system to logout unexpectedly
  • a graphics distortion in Safari Top Sites
  • Spotlight search results not showing Exchange contacts
  • a problem that prevented authenticating as an administrative user
  • issues when using NTFS and WebDAV file servers
  • the reliability of menu extras
  • an issue with the 4-finger swipe gesture
  • an issue that causes Mail to quit unexpectedly when setting up an Exchange server
  • Address Book becoming unresponsive when editing
  • a problem adding images to contacts in Address Book
  • an issue that prevented opening files downloaded from the Internet
  • Safari plug-in reliability
  • general reliability improvements for iWork, iLife, Aperture, Final Cut Studio, MobileMe, and iDisk
  • an issue that caused data to be deleted when using a guest account

10.6.3:
  • improve the reliability and compatibility of QuickTime X
  • address compatibility issues with OpenGL-based applications
  • address an issue that causes background message colors to display incorrectly in Mail
  • resolve an issue that prevented files with the # or & characters in their names from opening in Rosetta applications
  • resolve an issue that prevented files from copying to Windows file servers
  • improve performance of Logic Pro 9 and Main Stage 2 when running in 64-bit mode
  • improve sleep and wake reliability when using Bonjour wake on demand
  • address a color issue in iMovie with HD content
  • improve printing reliability
  • resolve issues with recurring events in iCal when connected to an Exchange server
  • improve the reliability of 3rd party USB input devices
  • fix glowing, stuck, or dark pixels when viewing video from the iMac (Late 2009) built-in iSight camera
10.6.4:

  • resolve an issue that causes the keyboard or trackpad to become unresponsive
  • resolve an issue that may prevent some Adobe Creative Suite 3 applications from opening
  • address issues copying, renaming, or deleting files on SMB file servers
  • improve reliability of VPN connections
  • resolve a playback issue in DVD Player when using Good Quality deinterlacing
  • resolve an issue editing photos with iPhoto or Aperture in full screen view
  • improve compatibility with some braille displays
I can also dig up old MR threads. The same comments today about the state of Apple and Tim Cook were also there for Steve Jobs

Source: https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2023/11/5.html

Completely untrue. You’re just regurgitating a false narrative that old people say about the younger generations.

The complexity of macOS/iOS today is exponentially higher than in the Snow Leopard era.

It’s not about “younger devs.” It’s about scaling, security demands, cloud infrastructure, Continuous delivery cycles, Shareholder/Market pressure for feature velocity and keeping up with competitors.

Snow Leopard shipped in 2009 with no iCloud, no system-wide privacy permissions model, a much smaller security threat landscape, simpler hardware landscape, etc.

Today’s developers handle distributed systems, GPU pipelines, ML inference, sandbox security, cloud sync, CI/CD — things Snow Leopard engineers didn’t have to juggle.

Different constraints. Different problems. Different coding practices.

Apple is much larger than it was back then and their products and services are much more complicated. The bigger Apple gets, the harder the workflow becomes for the devs. Especially when they have to look thru 20+ years of other developers work.

I disagree. It's a company trying to sell products. Be it software, and/or hardware, they should create good products. Blaming the increased scale and complexity of it all shouldn't be a problem. An often comparison is made with car manufacturers. What do you think about that whole process? BMW became so so because of the larger competition? No man, they keep on doing good stuff. And replace BMW by any other car brand, this one was simply shorter to type. (although perhaps Musk has released another car brand, named X.)


Sorry. My $ 0.02
 
weird for me, but im still on the iphone 15 pro and am considering staying on for a 4th year...... typically i upgrade on the 3rd year.

only thing that can change my mind is a better iphone air. we'll see.
 
I hope the Steve Jobs era of detail comes back. Simple things like closing the hover text when you start typing. Why get rid of of that? Or the select box, why cancel it if you move your cursor too far. Annoying.
 
that was Apple in 2009. I don't know if I trust 2026 Apple to pull this off considering they've left so many basic bugs fester over the greater part of a decade.
Hoping for the best though.
Snow Leopard had some awful bugs on release. It’s only the final few versions where it became the great OS people love.
 
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