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iOS 27 Rumored to Feature All-New Siri App With 'Extensions' Feature

bluecoast said:
I hope they’ll allow us to select from a variety of names.

If Siri becomes halfway competent and lots of people start using it, we’ll all be activating Siri on other peoples’ devices.
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Yes, and every household with a 'Sarah' will rejoice.

Sort of like all the Amazon households with an Alexis, etc

I vote for "Farfegnugen" - but then again, I grew up in the 80s.
 
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Siri is a pathetic joke. Siri would’ve been an industry leader if Apple’s clueless and mediocre CEO Tim Cook hadn’t fired Scott Forstall. Forstall oversaw some problematic initial releases, but his constant pursuit of excellence led to improving and perfecting those releases over time. So blame Cook for how Siri is today.
 
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it'll just be very interesting how

- all of this will really integrate with all the apps, cause this would give apple the advantage over all the ai competitors
- the new siri will work on homepod
- how apple watch will work with this. I actually miss a smarter ai assistant the most on the watch/airpods/homepod, all devices where I gotta use my voice as primary input. So as long as they dont fix this, it'll be meaningless.
 
chfilm said:
it'll just be very interesting how

- all of this will really integrate with all the apps, cause this would give apple the advantage over all the ai competitors
- the new siri will work on homepod
- how apple watch will work with this. I actually miss a smarter ai assistant the most on the watch/airpods/homepod, all devices where I gotta use my voice as primary input. So as long as they dont fix this, it'll be meaningless.
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I don't use Android, but don't they integrate Gemini with on phone apps? At any rate I don't think you can quite say that Apple will have an advantage over other AI competitors when they allow those same competitors to integrate with Apple OS. And I doubt (for the time being) that Apple wants to compete with them. They will make the overall experience more pleasant and easy and perhaps in the background work to build a competitive LLM of their own though they don't really need too. The idea of competing isn't super straightforward since each company's models may excel in different ways. In some cases people in certain fields might even use special purpose AI models like for law or medicine.
 
Nimoy said:
So at this point, are there any Siri enhancements still expected in iOS26 at all?
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Probably not. Apple wants everything to hit us all at once in iOS27. As for the new separate Siri app, I wonder it’s really necessary? Can’t everything just be integrated without the need for a separate app, unless the purpose of the app is mainly to bring Siri more to the forefront or help “reintroduce” it to us since many of us don’t use it or even turn it off (raises hand).
 
Jason2000 said:
People always say its too late. What does that mean ? Are you not going to use it ? Is Apple dead because of it ? Apple is just fine. People are still figuring out what AI is and how it can help them. Hell most people do not even want AI so I am not sure how it is too late for Apple.
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Apple’s on track to sell over 200 million iPhones 17 this year. I think being too late means… umm, people may make memes about it? Which, gotta admit, MUST be impacting Apple’s sales to the tune of… one or two this year? Or maybe there are millions that have decided to purchase one of the many devices made by OpenAI and other AI vendors instead of Apple’s devices. At the current rate, OpenAI devices replacing Apple devices could add up to a staggering 0% this year!

I don’t know what Apple’s going to do to stay in business with THOSE numbers. 🙂
 
Nimoy said:
So at this point, are there any Siri enhancements still expected in iOS26 at all?
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No. They only just got started in January with the Gemini partnership.

It's still absolutely incredible to me they got up there and told those lies WWDC24. Not only were they lying, they clearly had absolutely no idea what was actually going on with Siri.

Everyone understood Siri doesn't even really work, much less would it ever be capable of doing those things they promised.

At least they finally, finally understand that and are getting rid of Siri and starting over like they should have years ago.
 
JM said:
I’m hoping my 14pro gets something.
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It won't. Apple is cold as ice. New Siri will require Apple Intelligence. And they will never acknowledge stranding people on Useless Siri Island.

They will keep the old system running in parallel because it's cheap, and because the new Siri is a completely different thing.

Original Siri will be phased out along with base model 15.
 
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It is unclear if the Siri app will be available on all iPhone models compatible with iOS 27, or if it will require an iPhone 15 Pro or newer with Apple Intelligence support.
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Every other AI chat app is available to all iPhones. It would be a strange move if they only allowed it to work on newer iPhones, especially if there will be some sort of pro subscription aspect.
 
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Apple just needs to throw in the towel on Siri and their own AI - both of which stink and are just not capable of ever catching up. Siri cannot even do dictation without a million errors, and that last IOS update made that 100X worse.

I give Apple props for privacy - but you cannot pull these things off on device. They have poor infrastructure for what they do send to the cloud that's a decade behind. Just let people install a third party assistant, partner with Anthropic/Google/Open AI and allow the AI platform of choice on device, and try to make software that doesn't suck and innovate in devices where you've dropped balls for a decade and a half.

From what little we do know, Siri is basically what, going to be dumbed down restricted verison of Gemini? WHy? Just use actual Gemini.

But this is the company that still doesn't allow users to resize their keyboard after 20 years so there is that.
 
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bluecoast said:
I hope they’ll allow us to select from a variety of names.

If Siri becomes halfway competent and lots of people start using it, we’ll all be activating Siri on other peoples’ devices.
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Big if. "Watered down and restricted gemini, when is Easter?"

"Esther was an old testament character that in the bible...."

"No, Easter! When is Easter Sunday?"

"Sunday is in three days."

And the said thing, that would all be a major improvement.
 
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MacAddict1978 said:
Apple just needs to throw in the towel on Siri and their own AI - both of which stink and are just not capable of ever catching up. Siri cannot even do dictation without a million errors, and that last IOS update made that 100X worse.

I give Apple props for privacy - but you cannot pull these things off on device. They have poor infrastructure for what they do send to the cloud that's a decade behind. Just let people install a third party assistant, partner with Anthropic/Google/Open AI and allow the AI platform of choice on device, and try to make software that doesn't suck and innovate in devices where you've dropped balls for a decade and a half.

From what little we do know, Siri is basically what, going to be dumbed down restricted verison of Gemini? WHy? Just use actual Gemini.

But this is the company that still doesn't allow users to resize their keyboard after 20 years so there is that.
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What did you hear that led you to think it would be a dumbed down Gemini? From what I can gather it would be normal Gemini (or substitute other chatbots) but with the ability to integrate your phone or Mac so you can say something like "do <something> with the photo I just took". Apple's integration knows what photo you just took and Gemini or maybe ChatGPT would handle the <something> part.
 
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Siri is dead. Years ago.

Next Apple chatbot will be called Jarvis/Vision, and will be a male voice, of course played by Paul Bettany and powered by Gemini.

Then, Apple will hit a HUGE marketing, cultural and tech win over any other brand.

"With iOS 27, Apple brings real AI on the iPhone".

The end.
 
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why does this all sound like apple is throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks? this latest iteration of BYOAI is the best option though. but like so many, we've already picked our LLM and are already using them. siri is out. so what is apple actually hoping to accomplish now? maybe they're testing to avoid further lawsuits over apple intelligence? i've turned off siri and won't turn it back on.
 
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As an app, it would be technically possible to choose a different "Personal Assistant" app, and this may be Apple's goal to avoid the gatekeeper lawsuits.

Technologies like screen awareness are not really a Siri feature, but rather an API that Siri would use, so therefore any other Assistant app could use it as well.

Critics don't really appreciate just how massively complex building in screen awareness is. Apple's operating systems already have very advanced Accessibility and screen-reader features, but that's entirely different from screen awareness, which is essentially the overall "context" of the screen, not just individual menus and controls.

I'm not a huge fan of Siri being yet another app, but if it gets us across the chasm and into the next-gen experience, then all the power to Apple engineers.
 
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