iOS 6 Beta 4 Removes Dedicated YouTube App [Updated]

[robains]

This was a good move. Hopefully they remove other apps from being loaded onto the phone like stocks, weather and Newsstand and put them into the store instead

Yeah, and put ALL the apps in the iTunes store and charge for them ... in fact, why not charge $1 every time I move the slider over to use my iPhone ... afterall, that's the Apple way and it's a privilege to have applications run on the iPhone at all so why not extend that to it's a privilege to use the device.

 

[John.B]

Yeah, and put ALL the apps in the iTunes store and charge for them ... in fact, why not charge $1 every time I move the slider over to use my iPhone ... afterall, that's the Apple way and it's a privilege to have applications run on the iPhone at all so why not extend that to it's a privilege to use the device.

Congratulations on your mastery of the slippery slope.

 

[garbeth]

The less pre-installed and impossible to remove apps the better. It's my device, I'll choose what's installed on it thank you very much!

 

[robains]

The less pre-installed and impossible to remove apps the better. It's my device, I'll choose what's installed on it thank you very much!

It's YOUR device ... ya really think so? It really is better to think of Apple hardware/devices as being "on loan" or the very least a "subscription" because Apple will render them useless pretty quickly.

Hmmm...no problem deleting Apps from my Nexus 7 ... and they even free up space so it's not just lip service (just removes the icon) like Apple's delete of "3rd party Apple approved apps".

Hmmm...how do a force an application to quit on my iPhone 4s ... oh wait, I can't! I have to shut down ALL applications and turn my phones power slider to OFF ... then bring it back to life and wait and wait for iOS to load again.

But, wait again! I'm not supposed to have "rogue" applications from iTunes store ... Apple charges all application developers (myself included) a fee to "validate" the app and permit it's sale on iTunes store ... but surely, if Apple are validating applications to "help protect end users" then how is it possible I have rogue applications from iTunes??? Oh it's got nothing to do with validation you say ... it's really so Apple can prevent any potential competition from installing on their device ... isn't that illegal in the US? Pretty sure it is -- oh wait that's right, it's "validation" to protect the innocent.

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Congratulations on your mastery of the slippery slope.

Way past slippery slope, deep into Bend Over.

 

[Rennir]

Apple's youtube app was horrible. I'm glad it's gone. Either let Google submit a better version, or users can just use the web version. The stock one was just a waste of space.

 

[chickenwingfly]

Hmmm...no problem deleting Apps from my Nexus 7 ... and they even free up space so it's not just lip service (just removes the icon) like Apple's delete of "3rd party Apple approved apps".

What do you mean by "just removes the icon". When you uninstall a 3rd party app on iOS, it's gone.
And I don't know about the stock ICS version of the Nexus 7, but on devices from Samsung, LG etc, stock Android has some annoying (e.g Facebook) "stock apps" that cannot be removed, unless you root (and with a jailbreak I can also delete stock Apple apps).
Of course I'm just talking for the technical side of things.
As for freeing up space... unless you are short 20 MBs or 30 MBs (what is that, like 4 songs?), then obviously disk space is never a problem (and if you have a 16 GB device, Android, iOS or whatever and worry about 20 MBs then you needed more capacity to start with).

Hmmm...how do a force an application to quit on my iPhone 4s ... oh wait, I can't! I have to shut down ALL applications and turn my phones power slider to OFF ... then bring it back to life and wait and wait for iOS to load again.

?????? You just use the app switcher, giggle mode, bang, it's gone (and if it has been on the background for a while it won't use resources, as it's been proven many times via tools like Xcode's Intruments). So I don't understand the whole "kill all applications" part (since you discuss power slider, then you must NOT be referring to a case where the phone is stalled completely).

But, wait again! I'm not supposed to have "rogue" applications from iTunes store ... Apple charges all application developers (myself included) a fee to "validate" the app and permit it's sale on iTunes store ... but surely, if Apple are validating applications to "help protect end users" then how is it possible I have rogue applications from iTunes??? Oh it's got nothing to do with validation you say ... it's really so Apple can prevent any potential competition from installing on their device ... isn't that illegal in the US? Pretty sure it is -- oh wait that's right, it's "validation" to protect the innocent.

What rogue apps?
And anyway, part of what you say might be true, but despite the few ugly ones that get past the probation stages, I think it has helped the AppStore to keep a consistent level of quality.
If you look at some of the top apps, you'll see their UI and all is very consistent, something that sadly doesn't happen on Android, where at times I feel like every app is a whole different world.

 

[garbeth]

It's YOUR device ... ya really think so? It really is better to think of Apple hardware/devices as being "on loan" or the very least a "subscription" because Apple will render them useless pretty quickly.

Hmmm...no problem deleting Apps from my Nexus 7 ... and they even free up space so it's not just lip service (just removes the icon) like Apple's delete of "3rd party Apple approved apps".

Hmmm...how do a force an application to quit on my iPhone 4s ... oh wait, I can't! I have to shut down ALL applications and turn my phones power slider to OFF ... then bring it back to life and wait and wait for iOS to load again.

But, wait again! I'm not supposed to have "rogue" applications from iTunes store ... Apple charges all application developers (myself included) a fee to "validate" the app and permit it's sale on iTunes store ... but surely, if Apple are validating applications to "help protect end users" then how is it possible I have rogue applications from iTunes??? Oh it's got nothing to do with validation you say ... it's really so Apple can prevent any potential competition from installing on their device ... isn't that illegal in the US? Pretty sure it is -- oh wait that's right, it's "validation" to protect the innocent.

As a developer you don't seem to have a very good understanding of the basics of how an iPhone works....

 

[Yebubbleman]

Maybe we should both calm down.

It's fine if you're underwhelmed with iOS 6's feature set. However, saying that iOS 6 is only Passbook, Apple Maps, Siri on more devices, and the removal of the YouTube app is factually incorrect. You may consider the other features unimportant and not worthy of mention, which, as I said, is OK, but that doesn't mean these features don't exist.

Ah, I think you took my original comment, originally in anger over iOS 6, way too literally. No, I know that features exist, but so far, the number of features removed and/or needlessly altered far outweighs the benefits offered. Then again, I'm not a third-gen iPad user.

 

[anthony11]

good riddance

Agreed. A large fraction of YouTube videos wouldn't play via the app anyway, and it ignoring the mute/volume settings was really annoying.

 

[APlotdevice]

Agreed. A large fraction of YouTube videos wouldn't play via the app anyway, and it ignoring the mute/volume settings was really annoying.

Those videos won't play on the mobile site either. There is a setting in the video preferences that makes them unwatchable on mobile devices. Now you could enable HTML5 and watch videos on the main site, however this mode currently does not support videos which start with an ad.

 

[chickenwingfly]

Those videos won't play on the mobile site either. There is a setting in the video preferences that makes them unwatchable on mobile devices. Now you could enable HTML5 and watch videos on the main site, however this mode currently does not support videos which start with an ad.

Yes it's annoying.
Using the "desktop" site sometimes opens the videos (e.g The Online Gamer series) but with others it won't just work.
I also use the "embed" trick on the URL with mild success. Sometimes combined with switching user agent on safari .plist.
Quite recently I tried to use other browsers like Chrome or hmm... forgot the name of the other (norwegian name), but same results.

I guess the only way is sniffing the headers sent on both my Mac and the iDevice and see where the real problem is.

 

[AdonisSMU]

I'm ignorant in this whole ad-based society, but aren't people supposed to make money off ads if others click on them?
Probably, for those YouTube partners not, but still, I tend to think everybody has an adblocker nowadays, and if not, who would click on ads?

Nope as long as the ads are shown you can make money off of them potentially.

 

[chickenwingfly]

Nope as long as the ads are shown you can make money off of them potentially.

Good to know.

 

[vertigo235]

it amazes me how this forum can be full of close minded apple fanboys

youtube is awesome

i can't think of a single person who doesn't or hasnt used it.

anyways looking fwd to more google products on the iphone.

they can certainly improve on them.

unlike the junky icloud service

I prefer the web app

 

[jmanley1]

One of my favorite things to do with my iPod is hook it up to my TV with a dock connector and watch episodes of MST3K on YouTube. I could listen to the audio and control playback with my bluetooth headphones over AirPlay and keep the device locked to conserve power.

Looks like I'll be jailbreaking iOS 6 to retain functionality rather than gain it.

I'm sure you know this... Netflix has a ton of MST3K and they look fantastic.

 

[robains]

What do you mean by "just removes the icon". When you uninstall a 3rd party app on iOS, it's gone.
And I don't know about the stock ICS version of the Nexus 7, but on devices from Samsung, LG etc, stock Android has some annoying (e.g Facebook) "stock apps" that cannot be removed, unless you root (and with a jailbreak I can also delete stock Apple apps).
Of course I'm just talking for the technical side of things.
As for freeing up space... unless you are short 20 MBs or 30 MBs (what is that, like 4 songs?), then obviously disk space is never a problem (and if you have a 16 GB device, Android, iOS or whatever and worry about 20 MBs then you needed more capacity to start with).


?????? You just use the app switcher, giggle mode, bang, it's gone (and if it has been on the background for a while it won't use resources, as it's been proven many times via tools like Xcode's Intruments). So I don't understand the whole "kill all applications" part (since you discuss power slider, then you must NOT be referring to a case where the phone is stalled completely).


What rogue apps?
And anyway, part of what you say might be true, but despite the few ugly ones that get past the probation stages, I think it has helped the AppStore to keep a consistent level of quality.
If you look at some of the top apps, you'll see their UI and all is very consistent, something that sadly doesn't happen on Android, where at times I feel like every app is a whole different world.

No it's not gone ... take a serious look and you'll see, it's flagged as removed, but the space technically isn't free'd up just yet.

Can't really use application switcher when the only "feature" that works is a power reset ... hence rogue application.

Level of quality?? I've found NO difference in application quality on Android, Win7, or iOS -- please show me the quantitative data that shows Apple's iTunes store applications are of higher quality? All have some good apps and some bad apps only difference is that Apple make money out of both the good AND bad claiming the bad doesn't exist, yet anyone using a iPhone knows the bad apps do exist.

garbeth, enlighten me!

 

[AngerDanger]

I'm sure you know this... Netflix has a ton of MST3K and they look fantastic.

I've already watched all of those. Looks like I'll be using BUZZ Player or some alternative to stream YouTube videos.

 

[Fatboy71]

Looks like I'll be using BUZZ Player or some alternative to stream YouTube videos.

You can use the You Tube mobile site through Safari, IMO it's better than using the You Tube app.

Just add a short cut onto your home screen for:

http://m.youtube.com/

 

[AngerDanger]

You can use the You Tube mobile site through Safari, IMO it's better than using the You Tube app.

Just add a short cut onto your home screen for:

http://m.youtube.com/

Do you know if it supports video out like the native YouTube app? That's the only reason I'd use BUZZ Player instead of the mobile site.

 

[Fatboy71]

Do you know if it supports video out like the native YouTube app? That's the only reason I'd use BUZZ Player instead of the mobile site.

I don't have iOS 6 though. But I have tried the below with the mobile site.

What is the device you are outputting it through and what method/lead are you outputting it with?

I have tried Airplaying with the You Tube mobile site with Apple TV on my 4S and my iPad 3 and they both work fine.

 

[nia820]

This kinda sucks. I enjoy watching videos on youtube app on my ipad.

And when I'm sharing youtube videos with my fam on apple TV I prefer using air play because it is to type and search then using the remote to type in something.

And if there is an app how much is it going to cost us?

 

[Fatboy71]

This kinda sucks. I enjoy watching videos on youtube app on my ipad.

And when I'm sharing youtube videos with my fam on apple TV I prefer using air play because it is to type and search then using the remote to type in something.

And if there is an app how much is it going to cost us?

You can still access You Tube on the iPad and iPhone through Safari, via the Safari browser. Just add a shortcut onto your home screen for the below.

http://m.youtube.com/

You can still Airplay from You Tube on/through Safari as well.

And also the You Tube app on Apple TV is NOT going to be removed as the licensing agreement for it is different to the iPhone, iPad etc versions. So you can continue using it as you have been.

 

[iSamurai]

Remember back in the days when YouTube converted all of its videos to H.264 just so that they'd play on the iPhone? Good times...

 

[John.B]

Remember back in the days when YouTube converted all of its videos to H.264 just so that they'd play on the iPhone? Good times...

Adobe has discontinued mobile Flash, so that change hurts the Android crowd as much as it hurts iOS users.

 

[AngerDanger]

I don't have iOS 6 though. But I have tried the below with the mobile site.

What is the device you are outputting it through and what method/lead are you outputting it with?

I have tried Airplaying with the You Tube mobile site with Apple TV on my 4S and my iPad 3 and they both work fine.

I use my fourth generation iPod touch and output video from the YouTube app with an Apple composite AV cable. I don't think that'd work with the mobile site.