iOS 6 limitations in iPhone4 is a great reminder why INTERNALS are all that matters

[lordofthereef]

No turn by turn because it's integrated with Siri, something we've known they're not going to bring to the 4.

No Facetime over 3G because the 4 has different models for different networks and they focused only on the 4S and above since they're 'universal phones.'

Why is this so hard to understand?

There is nothing about Siri that has to be there for the turn by turn to work. Simply disable all of the rest of Siri's features but keep turn by turn. It would actually be REALLY simple to do, and nobody would associate turn by turn on their iPhone 4 as "AAAAMMMGGGG I haz Siri now!"

I am not sure what you are saying about different models for different networks the 3G facetime (or how that is relevant, rather) but I am quite sure that has nothing to do with it, especially since we can easily get facetime over 3G from a third party. It has nothing to do with hardware, it is 100% software driven.

I always like to ask how people would feel if their desktop OS just happened to have features removed for their older modal machine. Maybe OSX lion shouldn't allow the new notifications on the core2duo macs and only allow them on the core i5/7 macs? Or maybe Sandy Bridge chips should be exempt as well since they are now on the third gen ivy bridge chip? It would be extraordinarily easy to implement the limitation, by the way. But people would be outraged. Why? Because, frankly, it is a ridiculous thought.

 

[kre62]

Dude.. To me your logic does not make any sense..

But.. If the next iPhone has a quad core chip, your 4S will then be "dying more quickly".. Also, I happen to care a lot about design and physical features, not just the CPU... I'm on the iPhone 3G and 4 cycle (or the "even cycle" if you will), and by this fall I will be eligible for an iPhone with LTE.. That, to me is worth muuuuch more than a CPU bump. And if it comes with a larger screen, forget it.. The iphone 4S will be insignificant.

And the reason I don't understand your logic, is because you will be left out in iOS 7, so what difference will your CPU specs make then?.. Just wait.. you'll see.. Next year it's the 4S that will get the shaft..

Few things:

1) It is unlikely that iPhone 5 witll have anything other than the A5X, unless Apple breaks with its usual cycle. The A5X is almost identical to the A5, just has a bit more graphics power.

2) The 3GS has recieved 4 iOS versions. It's possible the 4S can go just as long since it has the dual core proc. You just don't know what will happen.

3) I'll be upgrading to the 5 because I want LTE and a big screen, but its likely that internals wise it will be the same as the 4S, with just a bit more graphics power.

The 5 will have extra features that will make it worth it for me to upgrade, but I won't be deluding myself into thinking its anything other than a 4S with new paint. When the 6 comes out and it looks exactly like the 5, but with an A6, I'll be first in line.

I can upgrade for 250+199, and can sell the 4S for ~400, so 50 bucks for me to upgrade...BFD

 

[Rodimus Prime]

To everyone who says phones, even old phones can support turn by turn: Yeah no sh...t. Thats not the point.

The point is Apple chose to build their turn by turn with full SIRI integration. She calls out the route AND you can ask her to navigate to places AND find places AND sort local restaurants by rating AND...goes on. Because the i4 does not support SIRI, the i4 does not get APPLES turn by turn implementation. Go buy one of the 100 other great turn by turn apps.

As far as Facetime over 3G....no excuse on that one I'll admit. Hopefully by the time iOS6 is released, it will have changed. Seeing as the i4 was Facetime's debut...seems like it should get it.

Just going to point out anything to do with Siri is server side. It requires no processing power off the phone.

So you fail again.
The blocking you see is standard software blocking from Apple. It is SOP. It to me is more and more reason to minimize my integration into the Apple eco system. It cost to much to leave and it cost to much to stay in due to bs force upgrades.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

I think of this as a simple reminder to the fact that all launch day iPhone 4 contracts are approaching the end and that it's a great time to buy a newer/sleeker/better product in the near future. It's unfair that some of the features that could of easily worked on the iPhone 4 were left out, but it's the name of the game. If you want the latest and greatest things that were released after your specific phone was put on sale prepare the payment method.

 

[kre62]

Just going to point out anything to do with Siri is server side. It requires no processing power off the phone.

So you fail again.
The blocking you see is standard software blocking from Apple. It is SOP. It to me is more and more reason to minimize my integration into the Apple eco system. It cost to much to leave and it cost to much to stay in due to bs force upgrades.

If thats the case then why has the 3GS been so upgraded over the years? Look I get that you want to come up with a reason why your 4 is getting left out. But you need to realize its a combination of things. First, the hardware is from 2009. Not 2010, 2009. Second, yeah Apple wants you to upgrade. If something is on the border of delivering a bad experience, even though for a lot of users it would be OK, they withold it. For Siri, yeah the audience chip baked into the processor helps on the 4S, as well as having the graphics power to drive the interface, process the requests quickly, bring up wolfram windows, etc.

The 4 can barely handle the UI without stuttering.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

If thats the case then why has the 3GS been so upgraded over the years? Look I get that you want to come up with a reason why your 4 is getting left out. But you need to realize its a combination of things. First, the hardware is from 2009. Not 2010, 2009. Second, yeah Apple wants you to upgrade. If something is on the border of delivering a bad experience, even though for a lot of users it would be OK, they withold it. For Siri, yeah the audience chip baked into the processor helps on the 4S, as well as having the graphics power to drive the interface, process the requests quickly, bring up wolfram windows, etc.

The 4 can barely handle the UI without stuttering.

wow you really have no clue what you are talking about. It shows in you are just spitting off specs but have zero understanding of how they interact or effect things. This list is one. I could pick on other post of your to pick out your complete lack of understanding of the hardware.

Like saying that bring up the wofram windows needs graphic power... Sorry if that is your logic then you have other programs as that pretty low level basic UI thing.

The 3D maps we know is not the phone as we can point to much older android devices that have zero issues with it. Those android devices have weaker specs and on top of that the UI does not handle graphics nearly as well as iOS.

It boils down to the fact that the standard Apple "I am sorry" crew is out in force giving off very bogus reasons.

Apple is doing this because Apple wants to force you to upgrade. It is force obsolete.

 

[kre62]

wow you really have no clue what you are talking about. It shows in you are just spitting off specs but have zero understanding of how they interact or effect things. This list is one. I could pick on other post of your to pick out your complete lack of understanding of the hardware.

Like saying that bring up the wofram windows needs graphic power... Sorry if that is your logic then you have other programs as that pretty low level basic UI thing.

The 3D maps we know is not the phone as we can point to much older android devices that have zero issues with it. Those android devices have weaker specs and on top of that the UI does not handle graphics nearly as well as iOS.

It boils down to the fact that the standard Apple "I am sorry" crew is out in force giving off very bogus reasons.

Apple is doing this because Apple wants to force you to upgrade. It is force obsolete.

I am so far ahead of you its sad. But it sounds like you are convinced Apple is out to get you. Enjoy Android!!

 

[lordofthereef]

I am so far ahead of you its sad. But it sounds like you are convinced Apple is out to get you. Enjoy Android!!

Nobody is saying that Apple is out to get anything... other than money. And that is 100% fact. Every limitation placed on the iPhone 4 has been arbitrary. As proof, we have third party hacks that run all of the features right on the iPhone 4 without issues. There was recent news of a dev getting 3D and flyover working on the iPhone 4 as well. So again, Apple isn't out to get you. They are out to get your pocketbook.

BTW I loved your cliche "enjoy Android" statement. That's the go to phrase that people use when another person isn't in bed with Apple and everything they do. Keep on keeping me smiling bud!

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I am so far ahead of you its sad. But it sounds like you are convinced Apple is out to get you. Enjoy Android!!

so your only response is to insult.

I pointed out evidance that says Apple putting in a software block. There is zero hardware reasons.

It is a fact that iOS handles graphics better than Android. It is a fact that how iOS handles visual elements is much more efficient that android so given that fact, care to explain why a phone on an much less phone spec wise and on an older version of Andoid which handles UI elemenets and graphic very poorly can run 3d maps but the iPhone 4 can not?

Sorry but you are just spitting out BS with zero understanding of how it all works under the hood.

Keep saying "I'm SORRY SOOOOOO SORRY"

 

[JAT]

Few things:

1) It is unlikely that iPhone 5 witll have anything other than the A5X, unless Apple breaks with its usual cycle. The A5X is almost identical to the A5, just has a bit more graphics power.

2) The 3GS has recieved 4 iOS versions. It's possible the 4S can go just as long since it has the dual core proc. You just don't know what will happen.

3) I'll be upgrading to the 5 because I want LTE and a big screen, but its likely that internals wise it will be the same as the 4S, with just a bit more graphics power.

The 5 will have extra features that will make it worth it for me to upgrade, but I won't be deluding myself into thinking its anything other than a 4S with new paint. When the 6 comes out and it looks exactly like the 5, but with an A6, I'll be first in line.

I can upgrade for 250+199, and can sell the 4S for ~400, so 50 bucks for me to upgrade...BFD

Trying to figure out the purpose of this thread after you said this.

 

[kre62]

Apples evil. They are purposefully witholding features from the super computer known as the iPhone 4. Burn in hell apple.

But seriously, Apple has a good track record with upgrading old phones to the latest features for free. I had a great experience with the 3GS, maybe thats why I'm reluctant to believe this is all marketing. But maybe things have changed in the last few months, like all you iPhone4 lovers claim.

The bottom line is stop jumping to conclusions. It may be more complicated then you think. Apple may have their reasons. Or they may be screwing you over. Or a combination of both.

Bottom line: If you want the best chance of getting the next gen features, pick the Apple phone with the best internals.

 

[B777Forevar]

Bottom line: If you want the best chance of getting the next gen features, pick the Apple phone with the best internals.

So we should buy a brand new iPhone every year then?

btw, someone today just brought 3D mapping and the flyover feature to the iPhone 4. http://www.iguides.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=61381

"hardware limitations" lololo

 

[kre62]

So we should buy a brand new iPhone every year then?

btw, someone today just brought 3D mapping and the flyover feature to the iPhone 4. http://www.iguides.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=61381

"hardware limitations" lololo

No, you should not buy the recylced version of the iPhone. The 3G and 4 both were largely comprised of the last years component.

Crazy how this isn't getting through to people. I thought it was pretty straight forward. Oh well.

 

[WeegieMac]

The fact that the iPhone4 cannot support the big ticket items in iOS6 is a great reminder to everyone as to why they should absolutely, 100% never ever use the outer design of a phone as a measuring tool.

When the 4S came out, people thought it wasn't a big upgrade. Those same people thought the 3GS wasn't a big upgrade from the 3G. I've spent hours trying to explain to people that they have to research and pay attention to the internal chips only, but many still haven't learned.

The 3GS chip was a huge, generational leap from the 3G. This has made the 3GS relevant for 3 years now, an eternity. The 3GS has received iOS 3-6, 4 major version of the software. This is because it had the juice inside to do so.

The iPhone4 has the same chip as the 3GS, with a half-assed coat of paint on it. The iPhone4 is no more capable than the 3GS, which is why when the 4S came out I knew that it would be relevant far longer than the 4. The 4S processor is a huge generational leap over the 3GS/4 and as such will be capable much longer than the dated tech in the 4 and 3GS.

In the future, pay attention to internals only. The beefy processor in the 4S does not know that the outside looks like the 4 and it doesn't care. It just chews through code like a tsunami of processing force. Sorry iPhone4(3GS) owners, you bought old tech in a fancy box.

How did I buy "old tech in a fancy box" when I bought my iPhone 4 the day it was released?

Also, if you think turn by turn navigation can't be done on the iPhone 4 then you're deluded, as TomTom has worked since I purchased it when I owned an iPhone 3G.

Turn by Turn does not, as some people continually post, require Siri, because the iPad 2 does turn by turn but does not have Siri.

FaceTime over 3G is also not beyond the iPhone 4, especially when the 4's "One More Thing" was FaceTime, to which Steve confirmed it would be WiFi only but the capability to run it was there for when carriers supported it. Also, in the UK, the iPhone 4S will do FaceTime over 3G, not 4G, since there are no 4G networks in the UK, which blows away the theory that LTE is to blame.

Thankfully, I have iOS 6 running on my iPhone 4 and my new iPad ... best of both worlds. However, your argument is woefully flawed.

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No turn by turn because it's integrated with Siri, something we've known they're not going to bring to the 4.

WRONG.

The iPad 2 has turn by turn, but does not have Siri. The only thing from Siri that Turn by Turn uses is the voice, the same as Voice Control for the iPhone 4 and 3GS.

Honestly, this stuff isn't rocket science to work out.

 

[kre62]

How did I buy "old tech in a fancy box" when I bought my iPhone 4 the day it was released?

Because you bought a phone with a Cortex A8 chip and PowerVR SGX 535 GPU. Thats why. And you should have done your research cause thats 2009 tech broseph.

Me and you have been through this before Weegie.

And I never said the iPhone4 wasnt capable of some sort of turn by turn, just not Apples implementation.

 

[WeegieMac]

Because you bought a phone with a Cortex A8 chip and PowerVR SGX 535 GPU. Thats why. And you should have done your research cause thats 2009 tech broseph.

Me and you have been through this before Weegie.

And I never said the iPhone4 wasnt capable of some sort of turn by turn, just not Apples implementation.

I bought it when it was brand new, at that time it was the best iPhone. I knew fine well what the 4 was utilising spec wise with the A4, however I was using an iPhone 3G that was slower than a week in the jail, I had skipped the 3GS, so the 4 was a huge upgrade to me and many others. If I'd used the 3G for another six months, never mind the 18 the iPhone 4 lasted until the 4S launched, I'd have gone mental.

And if I recall, were you not the guy who bitched about the animations in 4.3 so much that you almost shot your load when I posted the plist fix? I'll admit, the animations in 4.3 annoyed me also, but when you were having issues no-one gloated to you about it, although again we had the best iPhone at that time.

You're coming across as one of these people who willy wave when they happen to have the best device at the time, as if it makes you superior to everyone else on the board with a SKU lower than you. To be honest, it's not a side of you we've seen on this forum, at least to my memory.

More to life than gloating about the speed of your phones CPU mate.

 

[kre62]

I bought it when it was brand new, at that time it was the best iPhone. I knew fine well what the 4 was utilising spec wise with the A4, however I was using an iPhone 3G that was slower than a week in the jail, I had skipped the 3GS, so the 4 was a huge upgrade to me and many others. If I'd used the 3G for another six months, never mind the 18 the iPhone 4 lasted until the 4S launched, I'd have gone mental.

And if I recall, were you not the guy who bitched about the animations in 4.3 so much that you almost shot your load when I posted the plist fix? I'll admit, the animations in 4.3 annoyed me also, but when you were having issues no-one gloated to you about it, although again we had the best iPhone at that time.

You're coming across as one of these people who willy wave when they happen to have the best device at the time, as if it makes you superior to everyone else on the board with a SKU lower than you. To be honest, it's not a side of you we've seen on this forum, at least to my memory.

More to life than gloating about the speed of your phones CPU mate.

Not it at all mate, just trying to help people realize that there is a better way to beat Apple at their own game. Also, that you cant go by the outside of the phone. I don't care who has what device, trying to help people make the most future proof decision.

5.0 is what fixed the animations on the 3GS, but yeah your fixed helped. Cheers brother.

 

[WeegieMac]

Also, Apple's implementation of Turn by Turn is woeful. I've used it on my iPad 3, and it's a very basic, poor, interface. Even if my iPhone 4 supported turn by turn, I'd keep my TomTom app on there, it's just so much better.

Sure, the iPhone 4 can't handle the Flyover feature (which I think is pointless and nowhere near as useful as Google's Street View), but the feature of turn by turn navigation alone has been a doddle for the iPhone since the 3G, on a variety of apps ranging from Free to over £50 in the case of TomTom.

I don't expect to get the latest features, my phone is 2 years old, but while I can appreciate that Siri requires a noise cancellation processor found in the 4S and iPad 3 (regardless of it working perfectly on the 4 via the proxy I use, and have recorded a video of), when it comes to something like basic turn by turn navigation ... sorry, that's just obvious marketing, which is fine since I already own a superior app for that purpose.

 

[kre62]

Also, Apple's implementation of Turn by Turn is woeful. I've used it on my iPad 3, and it's a very basic, poor, interface. Even if my iPhone 4 supported turn by turn, I'd keep my TomTom app on there, it's just so much better.

Sure, the iPhone 4 can't handle the Flyover feature (which I think is pointless and nowhere near as useful as Google's Street View), but the feature of turn by turn navigation alone has been a doddle for the iPhone since the 3G, on a variety of apps ranging from Free to over £50 in the case of TomTom.

I don't expect to get the latest features, my phone is 2 years old, but while I can appreciate that Siri requires a noise cancellation processor found in the 4S and iPad 3 (regardless of it working perfectly on the 4 via the proxy I use, and have recorded a video of), when it comes to something like basic turn by turn navigation ... sorry, that's just obvious marketing, which is fine since I already own a superior app for that purpose.

For what its worth I think Apple will give in and enable at least Facetime over 3G on the 4, but these detail arguements miss the overall point I was driving at.

 

[WeegieMac]

Not it at all mate, just trying to help people realize that there is a better way to beat Apple at their own game. Also, that you cant go by the outside of the phone. I don't care who has what device, trying to help people make the most future proof decision.

5.0 is what fixed the animations on the 3GS, but yeah your fixed helped. Cheers brother.

Was it 5.0? I couldn't remember specifics, I just recall you and I having a degree of joy at finally having animations that didn't skip out the opening animation of the apps flying off screen and the app zooming into view from the centre of the screen.

People make their decisions based on a lot of things. For me, the iPhone 4 was a Godsend because I had the 3G, and 4.0 turned it into a paperweight. For me, the 3GS and the 4S weren't enough of a step up, at the time, from what I had. It wasn't until iOS 4 that the 3G was hung, drawn, and quartered by Apple, but performance wise so far on iOS 6 the iPhone 4 is as smooth, if not smoother, UI wise than iOS 5.

For those who bought an iPhone 4 recently, it's all about perspective. My wife was desperate for her first iPhone, so I got her the iPhone 4 in white for free from O2 on an 18 month contract at £32 per month. She loves it, it runs well, does everything she wants it to do, and won't care about Maps, Flyover, Turn by Turn, Siri. In fact, tonight she seen an advert on TV for the 4S, where the bloke says to FaceTime his wife ... she tried it on her iPhone 4, to call me of course, and was delighted that Voice Control popped up and FaceTimed me.

I told her it wasn't Siri, and she said "It's the same thing", so it's definitely all about perspective.

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For what its worth I think Apple will give in and enable at least Facetime over 3G on the 4, but these detail arguements miss the overall point I was driving at.

I actually took a screenshot of the iOS 6 smallprint hours after the keynote, and beside number 4 it said, "FaceTime over cellular requires iPhone 4 or later".

It was since changed to iPhone 4S and iPad 2 or later, yet the Australian site still said iPhone 4 or later up until last night when it too was changed.

Typo? Most likely given the only difference in name being the letter "S".

Still, Steve said at the iPhone 4 keynote that FaceTime was WiFi only for now, but the capabilities were there for when carriers supported it. It's an iPhone 4 feature, which is perhaps why some are getting so annoyed. I'll simply jailbreak and install 3G Unrestrictor again if I really want FaceTime over 3G, but it's a feature I rarely use at home, never mind outside.

 

[kre62]

For me, the iPhone 4 was a Godsend because I had the 3G, and 4.0 turned it into a paperweight. For me, the 3GS and the 4S weren't enough of a step up, at the time, from what I had.

See, but this is what I'm talking about exactly. You deemed the 3GS and the 4S not a significant upgrade from what you had. In my opinion, you were wrong. In fact the jump from 3G to 3GS was far more meaningful than 3GS to 4. Same with the 4S. The 5 will likely have the same processor as the 4S, repeating history. The 6 will be a significant processor bump but will probably look like the 5. This is where Apple gets you. Two devices that look the same on the outside, but are generationally different on the inside. You have to lump the generational devices together:

Original iPhone/3G

3GS/4

4S/5

6/7

etc

 

[Lindenhurst]

The fact that the iPhone4 cannot support the big ticket items in iOS6 is a great reminder to everyone as to why they should absolutely, 100% never ever use the outer design of a phone as a measuring tool.

When the 4S came out, people thought it wasn't a big upgrade. Those same people thought the 3GS wasn't a big upgrade from the 3G. I've spent hours trying to explain to people that they have to research and pay attention to the internal chips only, but many still haven't learned.

The 3GS chip was a huge, generational leap from the 3G. This has made the 3GS relevant for 3 years now, an eternity. The 3GS has received iOS 3-6, 4 major version of the software. This is because it had the juice inside to do so.

The iPhone4 has the same chip as the 3GS, with a half-assed coat of paint on it. The iPhone4 is no more capable than the 3GS, which is why when the 4S came out I knew that it would be relevant far longer than the 4. The 4S processor is a huge generational leap over the 3GS/4 and as such will be capable much longer than the dated tech in the 4 and 3GS.

In the future, pay attention to internals only. The beefy processor in the 4S does not know that the outside looks like the 4 and it doesn't care. It just chews through code like a tsunami of processing force. Sorry iPhone4(3GS) owners, you bought old tech in a fancy box.

Ok Mr wizard

 

[WeegieMac]

See, but this is what I'm talking about exactly. You deemed the 3GS and the 4S not a significant upgrade from what you had. In my opinion, you were wrong. In fact the jump from 3G to 3GS was far more meaningful than 3GS to 4. Same with the 4S. The 5 will likely have the same processor as the 4S, repeating history. The 6 will be a significant processor bump but will probably look like the 5. This is where Apple gets you. Two devices that look the same on the outside, but are generationally different on the inside. You have to lump the generational devices together:

Original iPhone/3G

3GS/4

4S/5

6/7

etc

You're not getting my point of view at all.

At the time I had a 3G, I didn't deem the 3GS a worthwhile upgrade, just like I don't see the 4S as a worthwhile upgrade over the 4. At the time I bought both devices they were THE top iPhone, but not everyone can upgrade their iPhone on an annual basis, so for those who bought the 4 on launch on contract, their contract is expiring in time for the iPhone 5 or new iPhone or whatever Apple decide to name it.

I personally buy my iPhones outright from Apple, unlocked, so I personally don't have £500 to spunk away each year on a phone and I refuse to enter a contract as they are the devils spawn in my opinion.

I always skip the model inbetween, especially on a device updated annually. The next iPhone could very well be quad core, so I'll go from a single core A4 to a quad core A6, which to me is far better than sitting on a dual core for 12 months when I've seen zero evidence of iPhone 4 slowing down or being incapable. It still runs the latest games, albeit without the fancier graphical effects like dynamic lighting, although my iPad now gets used for all my iOS gaming needs.

I mean, this iPad cost me £649. If you think I'm going to replace it in 12 months to get some feature that's omitted then you're mistaken. I am more than aware what Apple are doing, why they are doing it, and what not. I won't whine about not getting certain features, but it doesn't stop me cynically calling it BS.

The next iPhone and it's successor will likely, as you say, share designs but have different innards as technology moves on, but it won't be huge. Apple designs it's cycles and carrier contract agreements to maximise both those who need the latest and greatest as well as those coming out of contract.

I wasn't "wrong" in deeming the 3GS and 4S as not good enough to upgrade, it was my choice based on how how the devices performed. It wasn't until 4.0 that the 3G died on its arse, but the 4 is as good as ever on iOS 6, which will tide me over until the New Year when I buy the new iPhone which will see me good for another two years.

 

[Savor]

See, but this is what I'm talking about exactly. You deemed the 3GS and the 4S not a significant upgrade from what you had. In my opinion, you were wrong. In fact the jump from 3G to 3GS was far more meaningful than 3GS to 4. Same with the 4S. The 5 will likely have the same processor as the 4S, repeating history. The 6 will be a significant processor bump but will probably look like the 5. This is where Apple gets you. Two devices that look the same on the outside, but are generationally different on the inside. You have to lump the generational devices together:

Original iPhone/3G

3GS/4

4S/5

6/7

etc

I don't how you can put 4 next to the 3Gs on the same level technical terms. Only its GPU is 2009-ish. But it improved everything internally and added features 3Gs lacked while still improving battery life and making it thinner. Double the RAM and improved by 200 MHz. Like Apple stated, "it was the biggest leap since the original iPhone."

And to me, iOS3 to iOS4 was a significant upgrade. I thought iOS4 to iOS5 was a bigger jump but Apple gave us more bloatware like NewsStand and increased speed and added more data grabbing background features (copying Android's notification system) that killed battery more. I don't see iOS6 to be a huge jump. Many useless features or ones found in the JB community or other platforms. I'm a 4 owner who wouldn't care to update to iOS6 because I could care less of those features. Same static and boring GUI as usual. Some will be thrilled of the new features. Like a novelty. But in practice, it will get boring and be rarely used. I have an app called Jeannie on my Android that is as good as Siri and I just deleted it recently. I could care less of that stuff after awhile.

 

[NDefer]

iphone 5 will have an A6, and I will laugh at this thread.

A5 is in the Iphone 4s, A5X is in the Ipad 3. Apple was said to be working on A5X and A6 at the same time, you think they will release a phone 7+ months later with the same chip? No.


You just sound like a kid trying to justify the 4s, and sad you likely wont get a iphone 5.