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iOS 6 limitations in iPhone4 is a great reminder why INTERNALS are all that matters

kre62 said:
The iphone 5 will have the same processor as the 4S. End of story. Same tech. Same family. Same generation. Same internals. Cut from the exact same cloth. I'm talking about the unreleased phone, due in october.It'll have the same chip as my phone. Hundo percent. Same tech as now. Thus when the 5 is released, it'll already have 1 year old tech in it. Just like the 4 had the 3GS tech in it. Thats it.
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Despite 5.1.1 betas revealed two new A class chipsets in it's code?

One was proven to the be A5X, what was the second? The A5X won't be in the next iPhone in it's iPad form, as it's been widely reported to be too large a footprint.

Yes, it could be a smaller, stripped down (if anything the Quad Core GPU would go), to fit in the iPhone body, but again we just don't know. The A5X won't be in there as it exists to exclusively push the extra pixels of the new iPad, and I really doubt the exact same A5 will be used. Do you really see Apple's only major spec bump to the next iPhone being a move to 1GB of RAM with the same CPU?

Bottom line, none of us have a damn clue what's going to be in the next iPhone. We're on a RUMOURS site after all!

Edit: just to add, IF the A5 is in the next iPhone, then I'll be getting a 4S 8GB model when it inevitably arrives and the 4 is moved down to replace the 3GS as the entry level freebie model in the US. Here in the UK, the "new" 8GB 4S will be free on an 18 month contract, easily.
 
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WeegieMac said:
Despite 5.1.1 betas revealed two new A class chipsets in it's code?

One was proven to the be A5X, what was the second? The A5X won't be in the next iPhone in it's iPad form, as it's been widely reported to be too large a footprint.

Yes, it could be a smaller, stripped down (if anything the Quad Core GPU would go), to fit in the iPhone body, but again we just don't know. The A5X won't be in there as it exists to exclusively push the extra pixels of the new iPad, and I really doubt the exact same A5 will be used. Do you really see Apple's only major spec bump to the next iPhone being a move to 1GB of RAM with the same CPU?

Bottom line, none of us have a damn clue what's going to be in the next iPhone. We're on a RUMOURS site after all!

Edit: just to add, IF the A5 is in the next iPhone, then I'll be getting a 4S 8GB model when it inevitably arrives and the 4 is moved down to replace the 3GS as the entry level freebie model in the US. Here in the UK, the "new" 8GB 4S will be free on an 18 month contract, easily.
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We are in agreement. If Apple follows past trends, the next phone will have an A5. If not, sweet.

Either way I wil be geting the 5 cause I want LTE. I can easily sell my 4S and get an unlocked 5 for about the same as upgrade price. But when the 6 comes out, and it looks exactly like the 5 but has an A6 chip, i'll be first in line for that all new, revolutionary upgrade. Because its the insides that count.
 
It's fairly simple to see the two year cycle:

"even" (3G, 4, next-gen) - you get the big headline features (3G: UTMS, GPS chip. 4: retina display, facetime, decent camera, updated GPU) that I think (and this is only my opinion) people actually get excited by.

"odd" (3GS, 4S) - There aren't any exciting changes - everything's under the hood (3GS: compass, CPU, slight camera bump, RAM. 4S: dual core CPU, GPU bump) and there are some software updates locked out from previous gen phones that could have run them (3GS: video recording, voice control. 4S: Siri)

I agree with the OP that the 'odd' phones will last longer due to the hardware bumps, but the fact is the 4S will be "upgraded" to iOS7 next year, but this will start seeing features withheld for marketing reasons too. I would argue that the 'even' phones are the best ones to get - you tend to get first access to big features. The 'odd' phones to me feel slightly underwhelming and as has been pointed out when the "even" phones start to loose out on next-gen iOS features, people should be coming out of contract and be free to get the greatest new 'even' phone (which has been made alongside the new iOS).

In terms of this year's phone while we can never know for sure I'd say we're looking at a bigger screen for sure. I think Apple have to move heaven and Earth to get ARM A15 and PowerVR6 into the A6 chip as these were taped out and sampled in 2011 so should be ready for prime-time by Q4 2012. As has been pointed out the A5X is too big for the iPhone.
 
kiranmk2 said:
It's fairly simple to see the two year cycle:

"even" (3G, 4, next-gen) - you get the big headline features (3G: UTMS, GPS chip. 4: retina display, facetime, decent camera, updated GPU) that I think (and this is only my opinion) people actually get excited by.

"odd" (3GS, 4S) - There aren't any exciting changes - everything's under the hood (3GS: compass, CPU, slight camera bump, RAM. 4S: dual core CPU, GPU bump) and there are some software updates locked out from previous gen phones that could have run them (3GS: video recording, voice control. 4S: Siri)

I agree with the OP that the 'odd' phones will last longer due to the hardware bumps, but the fact is the 4S will be "upgraded" to iOS7 next year, but this will start seeing features withheld for marketing reasons too. I would argue that the 'even' phones are the best ones to get - you tend to get first access to big features. The 'odd' phones to me feel slightly underwhelming and as has been pointed out when the "even" phones start to loose out on next-gen iOS features, people should be coming out of contract and be free to get the greatest new 'even' phone (which has been made alongside the new iOS).

In terms of this year's phone while we can never know for sure I'd say we're looking at a bigger screen for sure. I think Apple have to move heaven and Earth to get ARM A15 and PowerVR6 into the A6 chip as these were taped out and sampled in 2011 so should be ready for prime-time by Q4 2012. As has been pointed out the A5X is too big for the iPhone.
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Agreed. The OP is arguing about preference. No right or wrong though.

I'm a consumer who is more FEATURE-driven. I used to think the odd years were better but I realize why should I wait another year for a spec bump with that same design? I want the killer new features NOW! I can always sell my prev iPhone to get the newer one anyway. Odd or even, doesn't matter. But I just didn't find any features from the 4s that made me warrant to sell my 4 which was in perfect condition and working great to fulfill my needs. I don't always update my firmware. Believe it or not, I'm still on iOS4. Smooth animations and no battery drains. There was nothing on iOS5 that interested me except the new notificiation system. But I already have an Android phone that got it right the first time. And iOS6 doesn't seem to interest me that much.

Apple tells us about these 200+ new features for their latest iOS and how many of them do I really, really need? I have Steve Jobs' minimalistic approach. I don't need an excess of apps or features I don't really need or use. I feel each iOS update just adds more bloat and takes away Apple's philosophy of being minimalistic. Apple adding new features to compete with Android, catch up to the JB dev community, and add anything "new" to attract old buyers. Apple always holds back on features. If they put everything on your plate, you wouldn't have the urge to keep going back.
 
kre62 said:
Wow. You're really not getting this huh?

My entire point is the all you get on the even cycle is the redesign. Not the latest tech like you claim.

The new phone HAS THE SAME INTERNALS AS THE LAST PHONE!! Bro...please try to understand.

The iPhone 5 will have the same processor as the 4S. 98% likely, especially since the iPad 3 has the A5X (Same processor, 2 more graphics cores).

The A5X has shown to be equal in performance to the A5.

So no, you wont have the latest tech. You have to buy odd to get that.

The "minor refresh" is the change for 3GS to 4, and soon the 4S to 5. The major refresh, meaning new architechture, new CPU, is the odd cycle.

Hope that makes more sense.
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Your 'major fresh' is to have the latest internal while some people 'major refresh' is to have newest design. There's no point of arguing cause it's your preference.

Alot of Apple products aren't about the latest internal. People buy them because of their design. If you truly want the latest internal then you should go get an Andriod. Prepare to buy one every month because there will always be a new Andriod with the latest internal chips, etc.
 
kre62 said:
When the 4S came out, people thought it wasn't a big upgrade. Those same people thought the 3GS wasn't a big upgrade from the 3G. I've spent hours trying to explain to people that they have to research and pay attention to the internal chips only, but many still haven't learned.
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I'm singling this paragraph out because I agree. 4S is a much bigger leap than many would like to believe. 3GS was night-and-day over the 3G. I don't think the 4S is quite as big of leap percentage-wise, but the camera alone...

There are always two groups of folks: those trying to justify a new purchase, and those trying to justify NOT making the new purchase.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong:

iPhone (original)
3 OSes: iPhone OS 1, iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3

iPhone 3G
3 OSes: iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3, iOS 4 (limited function)

iPhone 3GS
4 OSes: iPhone OS 3, iOS 4, iOS 5, iOS 6 (limited function)

iPhone 4
3 OSes: iOS 4, iOS 5, iOS 6 (limited function)

iPhone 4S
3 OSes (?): iOS 5, iOS 6, (iOS 7 (?) limited function)

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So it seems each iPhone has 3 major OS releases.

The exclusion is iPhone 3GS. The reason why it has 4 major OS releases may be Apple's still selling them. Look at iPad (1st gen.), it has an A4 chip (a bit faster than the one in iPhone 3GS) and has the same amount of RAM (256MB) but it won't get iOS 6 from Apple. Simply because Apple isn't selling iPad (1st gen.) but they are still selling the iPhone 3GS.
 
Mic'sBook said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong:

iPhone (original)
3 OSes: iPhone OS 1, iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3

iPhone 3G
3 OSes: iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3, iOS 4 (limited function)

iPhone 3GS
4 OSes: iPhone OS 3, iOS 4(limited function), iOS 5(Major limited function), iOS 6 (Severally limited function)

iPhone 4
3 OSes: iOS 4, iOS 5(limited function), iOS 6 (Major features missinglimited function)

iPhone 4S
3 OSes (?): iOS 5, iOS 6, (iOS 7 (?) limited function)

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So it seems each iPhone has 3 major OS releases.

The exclusion is iPhone 3GS. The reason why it has 4 major OS releases may be Apple's still selling them. Look at iPad (1st gen.), it has an A4 chip (a bit faster than the one in iPhone 3GS) and has the same amount of RAM (256MB) but it won't get iOS 6 from Apple. Simply because Apple isn't selling iPad (1st gen.) but they are still selling the iPhone 3GS.
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Fix it for you. If it does not get 100% of the upgrade it is limited.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Fix it for you. If it does not get 100% of the upgrade it is limited.
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How was the 3GS on iOS 4 and 5 limited? It got every feature the hardware was capable of. In fact I cant think of anything the 4 had the 3GS did not, except Facetime (lack of front camera).

I dont think the 4S will be limited on iOS7 cause that would mean the 5 would be limited on iOS 7, they will have the same internals.
 
kre62 said:
How was the 3GS on iOS 4 and 5 limited? It got every feature the hardware was capable of. In fact I cant think of anything the 4 had the 3GS did not, except Facetime (lack of front camera).

I dont think the 4S will be limited on iOS7 cause that would mean the 5 would be limited on iOS 7, they will have the same internals.
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Ringtones for text messages is a quick example.

On the 4 you have Siri
and now they are blocking GPS navigation and Facetime over Cell network All of which are 100% software blocks.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Ringtones for text messages is a quick example.

On the 4 you have Siri
and now they are blocking GPS navigation and Facetime over Cell network All of which are 100% software blocks.
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Ringtones are the only one, and the 3GS eventually got those. Apple has a good track record of giving the 3GS everything it gives the 4. Why? Because they are the same device.

On the turn by turn, I have personally confirmed the 4 has the turn by turn, just no voice to announce it. Cause it doesnt have Siri. Makes sense.
 
kre62 said:
Ringtones are the only one, and the 3GS eventually got those. Apple has a good track record of giving the 3GS everything it gives the 4. Why? Because they are the same device.

On the turn by turn, I have personally confirmed the 4 has the turn by turn, just no voice to announce it. Cause it doesnt have Siri. Makes sense.
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The 3GS the features lacking are not as big of a deal as mostly there are logical reasons.


Things that are blocked from the 4 are 100% pure BS. The 4 and hell even the 3GS should get siri. The lack of voice announcement is complete and utter crap as that is a voice over. Not exactly that hard to do.

These software block tell you some things. One is APple seems to have little faith in their new product because they have to do pure BS blocks to justify you upgrading. If they had faith they would allow what truly can work on it work and do not do bull **** blocks.
 
kre62 said:
Ringtones are the only one, and the 3GS eventually got those. Apple has a good track record of giving the 3GS everything it gives the 4. Why? Because they are the same device.

On the turn by turn, I have personally confirmed the 4 has the turn by turn, just no voice to announce it. Cause it doesnt have Siri. Makes sense.
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Whut? The 3gs has a retina display? Apple's first SoC, the A4?? It has the 5mp camera, not 3?? 3gs has 512mb ram too??

Man why did I buy a 4 when the 3gs was the same all along..
 
watchthisspace said:
Whut? The 3gs has a retina display? Apple's first SoC, the A4?? It has the 5mp camera, not 3?? 3gs has 512mb ram too??

Man why did I buy a 4 when the 3gs was the same all along..
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Yeah none of that matters when it comes to software upgrades/capabilities.

Also, hate to break it to you but that A4 is a Cortex A8 with powerVR SGX 535 GPU. Guess what other device has those exact same chips.

Rhymes with Me Dee Ess
 
kre62 said:
Yeah none of that matters when it comes to software upgrades/capabilities.

Also, hate to break it to you but that A4 is a Cortex A8 with powerVR SGX 535 GPU. Guess what other device has those exact same chips.

Rhymes with Me Dee Ess
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Of course, all of this only matters if you're intending on keeping the phone for more than 2 years.... most people here don't and those not here generally don't care as much about what they might be missing.
 
kre62 said:
Yeah none of that matters when it comes to software upgrades/capabilities.

Also, hate to break it to you but that A4 is a Cortex A8 with powerVR SGX 535 GPU. Guess what other device has those exact same chips.

Rhymes with Me Dee Ess
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That's fine with me, somehow it operates faster than the 3gs so meh.
 
Look a little bit more in depth...

Savor said:
You are just an iPhone 4 hater wanting to laugh at people who own one. The 4 was the first iPhone to give us the Retina Display, Facetime, a much improved camera with flash, HD video recorder, and double the RAM from the 3Gs that is equal to the 4s right now. It improved the processor speed by 200 MHz which is slightly higher than from 3G to 3Gs (188 MHz). You make it sound like the only thing that changed with the 4 was the external design. Get off your high horse. Nothing stays on top forever. You just want some more reassurance that owning a 4s is more future-proof than the 4 when we can't predict this. The first gen iPad can't even get iOS6 but the iPhone 3Gs could? This is just Apple's strategy on their part, not hardware limitations.
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The iPad 1 is less capable than the 3GS from a hardware standpoint. Sure it has 256 mb of ram, but its powering a screen with a higher resolution the the iPhone 4, which has 512 mb of ram. The iPad 1 is pushing 4 times the amount of pixels with the same ram and graphics card as the 3GS. This is why games like Infinity Blade has to scale down graphics just to accomodate the ram and GPU constraints of the iPad, whereas the 3GS was zipping along with framerates that at times, bested the iPhone 4.

Lets just say, the 3GS is a lucky phone, as 256 mb of RAM is still the highest target for most developers making apps today, and the seemingly weak 600 mhz processor is adequate for such a low resolution display.
 
WeegieMac said:
Despite 5.1.1 betas revealed two new A class chipsets in it's code?

One was proven to the be A5X, what was the second? The A5X won't be in the next iPhone in it's iPad form, as it's been widely reported to be too large a footprint.

Yes, it could be a smaller, stripped down (if anything the Quad Core GPU would go), to fit in the iPhone body, but again we just don't know. The A5X won't be in there as it exists to exclusively push the extra pixels of the new iPad, and I really doubt the exact same A5 will be used. Do you really see Apple's only major spec bump to the next iPhone being a move to 1GB of RAM with the same CPU?

Bottom line, none of us have a damn clue what's going to be in the next iPhone. We're on a RUMOURS site after all!

Edit: just to add, IF the A5 is in the next iPhone, then I'll be getting a 4S 8GB model when it inevitably arrives and the 4 is moved down to replace the 3GS as the entry level freebie model in the US. Here in the UK, the "new" 8GB 4S will be free on an 18 month contract, easily.
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Looking like i was right weeg, the new iphone will have an A5X. Ready to get on the odd cycle?
 
kre62 said:
Yeah none of that matters when it comes to software upgrades/capabilities.

Also, hate to break it to you but that A4 is a Cortex A8 with powerVR SGX 535 GPU. Guess what other device has those exact same chips.

Rhymes with Me Dee Ess
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this had me laughing thank you

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Mic'sBook said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong:

iPhone (original)
3 OSes: iPhone OS 1, iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3

iPhone 3G
3 OSes: iPhone OS 2, iPhone OS 3, iOS 4 (limited function)

iPhone 3GS
4 OSes: iPhone OS 3, iOS 4, iOS 5, iOS 6 (limited function)

iPhone 4
3 OSes: iOS 4, iOS 5, iOS 6 (limited function)

iPhone 4S
3 OSes (?): iOS 5, iOS 6, (iOS 7 (?) limited function)

==========

So it seems each iPhone has 3 major OS releases.

The exclusion is iPhone 3GS. The reason why it has 4 major OS releases may be Apple's still selling them. Look at iPad (1st gen.), it has an A4 chip (a bit faster than the one in iPhone 3GS) and has the same amount of RAM (256MB) but it won't get iOS 6 from Apple. Simply because Apple isn't selling iPad (1st gen.) but they are still selling the iPhone 3GS.
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well the ipad 1st gen pushes more pixels than a 3gs
 
iPhone 4 can't have turn by turn and facetime over cellular because its just not good enough.

LOL

More like a reminder how Apple wants you to upgrade every year.
 
irDigital0l said:
iPhone 4 can't have turn by turn and facetime over cellular because its just not good enough.

LOL

More like a reminder how Apple wants you to upgrade every year.
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Dont get back into that. This is about how the odd cycle is the best, and to beat Apple at their own game focus on internals.
 
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