That would be cool mate, I may have to wipe it and re-install the OS if you don't get any screen lag etc.
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iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime
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That would be cool mate, I may have to wipe it and re-install the OS if you don't get any screen lag etc.
Thing is, she'll make up her own mind, I can't force her to have a different opinion.
My opinion is I like ios 7, and have no issue with it. My point was that not everyone feels this way, and removing this functionality is going to have a strong negative impact. Not sure why this is a contentious point you are trying to argue with.
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What is new is that an active service got killed without notice and it took them a week to update their support documents. Sounds like someone at Apple seriously f*cked up...
Nope. Apple will fix this or they will be sued. Apple cannot force you to upgrade your OS to keep services that were part of the deal when you bought an iPhone. Stand your ground everybody.
This is Apple's planned obsolescence strategy. They're doing this to get everybody on iOS 7 so old hardware will run painfully slowly and people will have to buy new hardware. Because, you know, Apple doesn't have enough of our money already. And, Apple buyers aren't already loyal enough. Apple is going the way of General Motors... Abusing its own already-loyal fan base by making substandard product, forcing early repurchase. Apple supported PowerPC processors for six years after switching to Intel. That was under Steve Jobs. Under Tim Cook, Apple dumped iOS 6 in six months.
So far, Tim Cook's most novel idea has been to write himself a $300 million check.
This is Apple's planned obsolescence strategy. They're doing this to get everybody on iOS 7 so old hardware will run painfully slowly and people will have to buy new hardware. Because, you know, Apple doesn't have enough of our money already. And, Apple buyers aren't already loyal enough. Apple is going the way of General Motors... Abusing its own already-loyal fan base by making substandard product, forcing early repurchase. Apple supported PowerPC processors for six years after switching to Intel. That was under Steve Jobs. Under Tim Cook, Apple dumped iOS 6 in six months.
So far, Tim Cook's most novel idea has been to write himself a $300 million check.
Thanks Shandy. You answered a question I had of your post.
Your 79 year old grandmother STARTED on iOS 6 before she began using iOS 7, which she took to quickly.
My 70+ year old relative had no such luxury. I am certain if she had time
to use iOS 6 the first couple of months of ownership, she would have understood the CONVENTIONS of the iOS interface and functionality much better, and that she could transition easily to iOS 7.
Instead, she had to dive right into iOS 7 with her first tablet / touch device. Many aspects of the interface are a bit cryptic / oversimplified / hidden / foreign for an older first time user.
While she loves the iPad, I am certain she would understand it much better with the look of iOS 6. Her learning patterns lean strong on picking up visual cues and familiar metaphors for touch that she understands. Home button was a perfect, awesome, functional example that she picked up on immediately. The tablet interface of iOS 6 used to mimic these physical and functional usages.
And then there's a bunch of people that got an iPhone or iPad and still wonder what that red badge is doing on that weird icon that looks like a gear or something..
Or maybe they spent he week seeing if it could be fixed quickly, decided it would draw too much resources to update a version of iOS that's not current, from ongoing projects on current and future software that's more of a priority. Sounds like Apple have priorities in the right order....
And if they had a fix for this tomorrow, exactly how you described it, how, pray tell, would they get it to you? Your browser/iTunes example won't change the way the phone in your pocket updates.
iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime
I felt I was clear in the other post about my grandmother, wasn't hiding that she started on iOS 6
I know people that have had iOS 7 as their first iOS l, majority didn't have an issue, some needed some help. iOS 7 is still easier to pick up and learn than most other OS's out there like Android and Windows Mobile. Some people will need some guidance. My point was functionality isn't really different if you were switching, just there's additional features with 7. That's why Apple have user guides, offer help, why many other sites, magazines, books have guides. People new to the technology will need a hand. Hell, I'm quite a techie and I learn stuff just from the helpful people on here, things I never knew existed in iOS.
Anyway, this thread is about going from 6 to 7, not a about starting fresh from 7.
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They have fixed it, via a software update, which is iOS 7. It's a free software upgrade which fixes the bug. There's no reasonable basis for a lawsuit.
I felt I was clear in the other post about my grandmother, wasn't hiding that she started on iOS 6
I know people that have had iOS 7 as their first iOS l, majority didn't have an issue, some needed some help. iOS 7 is still easier to pick up and learn than most other OS's out there like Android and Windows Mobile. Some people will need some guidance. My point was functionality isn't really different if you were switching, just there's additional features with 7. That's why Apple have user guides, offer help, why many other sites, magazines, books have guides. People new to the technology will need a hand. Hell, I'm quite a techie and I learn stuff just from the helpful people on here, things I never knew existed in iOS.
Anyway, this thread is about going from 6 to 7, not a about starting fresh from 7.
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They have fixed it, via a software update, which is iOS 7. It's a free software upgrade which fixes the bug. There's no reasonable basis for a lawsuit.
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Well, not sure if this holds up in court, but according to the iOS6 SLA, they can pretty much do whatever they feel appropriate:
"Apple and its licensors reserve the right to change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any Services at any time without notice. In no event will Apple be liable for the removal of or disabling of access to any such Services."
https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ios6.pdf
It is bad security practice to allow users to downgrade versions. Let's say there is an exploit for iOS6 that is fixed in iOS7. You have iOS7, so you think you're safe. Your phone is stolen, and the thief downgrades your phone to iOS6, so now they use the still available exploit. If you don't allow downgrading, this situation is prevented.
I'm not sure you know what "patch" and "update" mean if you think they can do one without the other.
Those saying "what's the big deal, just upgrade already." Well the big deal is WE DON'T WANT TO. It's as simple as that. I prefer to keep my iPad 3 on iOs 6.1.3 for as long as I want too. Fact is - its very stable and performs quite well. Having played with the iPad 3 running 7.1, I can't say the same. Every thing just loads up faster under iOS 6. Why is that? Why is everything faster on an older OS?
Depends on how you value priorities. Informing customers that something is not working as it should and that it's being worked on would be pretty high on my priority list.
And by all means, it doesn't take a week to figure out that an iOS6 update for devices that support iOS7 is not going to be a serious option. But kudos if they really considered that option too...
6 months is already much longer than Apple has given past versions of iOS. Usually iOS gets no updates at all after a newer version comes out. The only exceptions are iOS 6.1.6 and iOS 1.1.5.
Well then stop complaining when apps, services, etc. eventually stop working.
You really can't have it both ways. Apple even released an update for iOS 6 on the iPod Touch 4th gen, which didn't get iOS 7. They are not taking away services for ANYONE'S device.
I feel like people are making this out to be an impossible task for Apple to appease its users in this case. Apple has said before that they want to make "all [their] users happy." People don't need to be berated for choosing to stick with an older version. I don't understand why 60% of the commenters here feel the need to complain at people for not wanting to update - before anyone even says anything about not wanting to update - as if the dissenters have no merit for refusing the update.
Software updates are a privilege, not a right. They're also not an obligation.
This argument isn't so much "I'm entitled to this feature because it came with the device I paid for, so fix it." Rather, it stems from it being so seemingly simple for Apple to fix the issue (considering they have complete control), but they simply refuse to. Therefore people get upset.
Remember when Apple pushed the "iOS Updater" application to iPhone 5 to allow it to install 6.0.1? We all know, with complete assuredness, Apple has the ability to push whatever version to whatever specific devices they so choose and are able to sign whatever iOS versions they so choose. (They could probably do a lot more with the software update mechanism than they let on considering it was able to install an application) They could push 6.1.6 to devices still running iOS 6.x.x, or they could even make it a little harder. So one has to download their specific ipsw from a kb article and restore to it in iTunes. Apple doesn't have to make a big deal, and they could satisfy this small proportion of their users that they claim to wish to pacify. However, that was also back when Steve was at the helm (Cook's slightly more open nature notwithstanding.)
Software updates are a privilege, not a right. They're also not an obligation.
This argument isn't so much "I'm entitled to this feature because it came with the device I paid for, so fix it." Rather, it stems from it being so seemingly simple for Apple to fix the issue (considering they have complete control), but they simply refuse to. Therefore people get upset.
Remember when Apple pushed the "iOS Updater" application to iPhone 5 to allow it to install 6.0.1? We all know, with complete assuredness, Apple has the ability to push whatever version to whatever specific devices they so choose and are able to sign whatever iOS versions they so choose. (They could probably do a lot more with the software update mechanism than they let on considering it was able to install an application) They could push 6.1.6 to devices still running iOS 6.x.x, or they could even make it a little harder. So one has to download their specific ipsw from a kb article and restore to it in iTunes. Apple doesn't have to make a big deal, and they could satisfy this small proportion of their users that they claim to wish to pacify. However, that was also back when Steve was at the helm (Cook's slightly more open nature notwithstanding.)
Right, and the big problem is here is that they won't let you upgrade iOS 6.1.5 or below to 6.1.6 if your device supports iOS 7.
This would be the same as them releasing 10.8.6 and 10.9.3 together, and not letting anyone who's Mac supports 10.9 upgrade to 10.8.6.
They'd never do something this ridiculous on the Mac, so why do it on iOS?
Apple at one time did release a point update to a previous version of Mac OS X. It was 10.4.11 and 10.5.1 on November 14th and 15th in 2007.
Because they're BOSS at forcing it down our throat and welcome it with open arms and some may even do so with legs wide open. On the other side, we have pro-apple-fanboys who will blame you for not upgrading and never giving thoughts to the matter of "choice". Choice? then suck it up! Problem solved. Eh!
Okay, I can see this to be okay with iPhone 5, but 4S? Yikes!
Well I wouldn't expect apple to prioritise fixing a bug for an iOS that's not current, that only a small amount of the user base is actually using. Priorities should be on the current OS, which the high majority of users are actually using.
As for the week, I meant maybe the spent some time seeing if it could be done behind the scenes. We will never know, but some people on here are determined to think the worst, that it makes me wonder why they stick to iOS if they dislike it so much. If I was that unhappy, I'd change. I was unhappy with windows 8, I switched to Mavericks.
I don't even use FaceTime. But we should NOT have to be forced off a legendary OS. I can barely stand to look at 7 on my 5s, so why would I look at it even bigger on my ipad. Of course I may reconsider if performance was actually good and if the icons didn't look cartoonish.
Honestly i don't see what the problem is with upgrading to ios7 if your device can. It works great and has a few more features. I guess someone could have a legit reason, but i cant think of one personally. Not liking the look of it is kind of a silly reason. The visual changes were pretty minor to me. I'll agree that it took a little getting used to, but my devices work better on 7 so i cant complain.
Several of my coworkers have iPhone 4's and 4s's and they don't seem to have any issues.
Several of my coworkers have iPhone 4's and 4s's and they don't seem to have any issues.
In the case of nearly every iOS device, any newer version runs worse than a previous version. It's nearly rule of thumb that the original OS is the best possible performance you will get out of your Apple device (excepting Safari and certain underlying frameworks - like the addition of OpenGl 4 and expanded OpenCL in Mavericks). It's a Godsend if it at least runes exactly as well as before, as is the case with iOS 6. It's simply because they don't focus on performance enhancements, particularly for older devices. They have the ability to do so if they choose (i.e. Mavericks). It just so happens that isn't what consumers care about, evidently, so Apple doesn't. It needs big flashy new features or it's worthless in their eyes. But now I'm just ranting...