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Probably 99% of the updates were because the owners can't stand having an unaddressed red splotch on the settings app :D
 
And there's definitely that too, with almost automatic bias built into the numbers right from the beginning essentially.

So there's all these people with devices running iOS 6 that aren't keeping apps up to date? Developers should care about them because?
 
This metric is flawed. It only polls devices that are owned by people who regularly visit the app store.

So it should read, 87% of people who visited the app store last are week are using iOS7.

True. But the statistic came from the App Store developer support page. Developers don't care about users who don't visit the App Store, so it's exactly the statistic that matters when deciding which OS versions to support in an app.
 
This metric is flawed. It only polls devices that are owned by people who regularly visit the app store.

So it should read, 87% of people who visited the app store last are week are using iOS7.

I'm certain the actual adoption rate is less.

The metric isn't flawed, just the reporting of it. Apple presents the adoption rated to developers in context. Articles such as these promote it as an overall adoption rate.

But it's a valid metric to compare to iOS 6 and to Android, since they are all calculated similarly.
 
Being subjective is only further support to saying that the number of people accessing the App Store over a period of a week who are using iOS 7 doesn't really relate to the quality of iOS 7 unlike some talking points in various posts have been trying to imply.

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But none of that still really speaks to the quality of iOS 7 given all the other factors in play, that's what I'm trying to point out in light of people making oversimplified statements trying to say otherwise simply based on these fairly narrow numbers.

These numbers are for developers. We could have had this same discussion two years ago, but it seems like only with iOS 7 are people downplaying adoption rates or questioning the accuracy of Apple's figures.
 
I'm in that 11% for my iPhone and 2% for my iPad... still fully believe iOS 6 has an overall better UX.

Some of the new iOS 7 has no contrast for buttoms... It is rather googlish. :-/
 
So there's all these people with devices running iOS 6 that aren't keeping apps up to date? Developers should care about them because?
Nothing of the sort was said, simply another detail about where the numbers come from and what they could really apply to. The part you are bringing up is unrelated to that.
 
Why can't MR publish an article without feeling the need to include some lame statistical comparison to Android (or whomever they feel insecure about)?

It really not necessary, as the information presented about iOS is what the article is about. The need to compare themselves to Android serves what purpose?

More "Rah! Rah!, Apple is best" propoganda.
 
The metric isn't flawed, just the reporting of it. Apple presents the adoption rated to developers in context. Articles such as these promote it as an overall adoption rate.

But it's a valid metric to compare to iOS 6 and to Android, since they are all calculated similarly.
These numbers are for developers. We could have had this same discussion two years ago, but it seems like only with iOS 7 are people downplaying adoption rates or questioning the accuracy of Apple's figures.
Correct, that's exactly what it is, and what it's for, and what it can really speak to. People who are using it all to imply a whole bunch of other things about iOS, and the way stories like this are worded and promoted, that's where the misconception lies.
 
Windows 8 us far far better than Windows 7, there's just a whole bunch of people out there who are completely computer illiterate or completely hysterical because they don't want Windows to become more Mac-like.

Windows 8 without Metro isn't too bad. I don't think anyone needs to get "completely hysterical" concerning Windows becoming more Mac-like though, as it certainly hasn't happened yet. :)
 
Everyone talking about how adoption rate /= like. Well what about a poll that asked if people liked iOS 7 or iOS 6?

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So much for being a fail... eat that haters.

yes, and Microsoft Windows has over 90% market share. What's your point? It's still lousy. Although not as god-awful as iOS7.

And of course the iOS7 share is increasing over time. Every new device sold increases its installed user base - not because ppl want it, but because they don't have a choice.
 
Windows 8 us far far better than Windows 7, there's just a whole bunch of people out there who are completely computer illiterate or completely hysterical because they don't want Windows to become more Mac-like.

I'm not computer illiterate, nor hysterical. Windows 8, while better under the hood than Windows 7 was an unmitigated disaster from a UI standpoint, and MS has admitted as much with the release of 8.1.

Windows 8 is NOT more Mac like. Windows 7 was far more Mac like than Windows 8. Windows 8 was a desperate lunge in an attempt to catch up to the rest of the mobile world that Ballmer had misjudged (like almost every thing else he did). And while Windows 8 mobile is actually decent, and makes sense, MS committed a major mistake by trying to move the desktop to Metro too fast. Their largest install base is enterprise, and they didn't realize that IT managers and business don't have the money, time or will to re-educate their whole user base with a knife edge cut for an upgrade that brings marginal benefit to the business?

If MS really wanted to follow the OS X example they would have released Windows 8 Mobile, and gradually merged the two OS's together over multiple iterations. It's been 7 years since iOS was released, and only in the last two years or so have we seen the desktop and mobile OS start to share UI traits.

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yes, and Microsoft Windows has over 90% market share. What's your point? It's still lousy. Although not as god-awful as iOS7.

And of course the iOS7 share is increasing over time. Every new device sold increases its installed user base - not because ppl want it, but because they don't have a choice.

Of course they have a choice. They can go with any of multiple versions/flavors of Android, Windows Mobile or BB10. What kind of moron would pay hundreds of dollars for a new phone if they don't like the UI?
 
I see that as having the reverse effect to this chart..
IF you have iOS 7, you don't need to login to the App Store to download new updates since they are automatic, so there should be more iOS 7 devices on this chart than it indicates, no?

Don't need to login for updates on iOS 6 either.

iOS 7: An automatic update for an app makes a connection to Apple's App Store servers. Does Apple's logger register this as an iOS 7 device using the App Store?

I think Apple needs to define what they mean 'as measured by the App Store...'.
 
Correct, that's exactly what it is, and what it's for, and what it can really speak to. People who are using it all to imply a whole bunch of other things about iOS, and the way stories like this are worded and promoted, that's where the misconception lies.

Adoption rate certainly implies acceptance of an OS. You are the one that is using completely unsupported theories to attempt to discredit that.
 
Without reading 3 pages of posts, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it might be strongly influenced by all iOS devices capable of running it will have downloaded the update and 'hijacked' roughly 3GB of space on each user's device. Your only real means of reclaiming that space was to run the installer.

Not much choice on refusing to upgrading when you have a figurative virtual gun to your head.
 
Wow. Apple actually solved OS updates.

I don't know if they will be remembered for this one, but I think it's a biggie.
As a long time software developer, I can tell you that traditionally old OS's have an incredible effect on software development. Support and testing cost balloon proportionally to the number of supported platforms. The effect is more pernicious during planning and development where the resources spent on supporting old OS's will push features out or schedules back.

Ultimately, I think this will result in significantly better apps. (Well, at the higher end, that is -- good developers will use this to make better apps. Poor developers won't be able to make good apps no matter how favorable the platform is.)
 
Not really. When a huge number of people upgrade just because an upgrade is available and have no way to downgrade if they don't like it, when a large number of people getting new devices automatically get the new version without a way to select an older one if they wanted it, when a large number of people are just regular folks who don't even know about internet forums let alone have the time to figure them out and post on them...no, you can't really just make a supposition like that simply based on the number of people with the latest version of iOS.

I agree with your premise, especially since users cannot roll back their OS. However, with so many people (in NA) using an iOS device and with so many of those people running iOS 7, you'd expect some sort of consumer/critical backlash at it (Maps, anyone?). Clearly, these "regular folks" have adapted to it just fine.
 
I think they meant, iOS 7.1 def not iOS 7.0 worst iOS version in the history of making. As for Android, fragmentation is the problem. If they can do something about it---ala push out updates if they meet min hardware requirement, then there is hope, otherwise, it's done deal.
 
Windows 8 us far far better than Windows 7, there's just a whole bunch of people out there who are completely computer illiterate or completely hysterical because they don't want Windows to become more Mac-like.

nope
 
This metric is flawed. It only polls devices that are owned by people who regularly visit the app store.

That's the only adoption rate metric that most app developers (the people who attend WWDC) care about. Who cares what OS is on that old device thrown in the sock drawer, or only used to make phone calls?
 
By that logic, since Windows 8 is selling better than Windows 7 did, does that mean more people like Windows 8 too?

Seriously, that's terrible logic.

You clearly have terrible logic. Your analogy of Windows OS sales does not fit with the comparison to iOS 7's adoption rate.

Here's a trick question: Do more users run Windows 7 or 8?
 
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