Not really what I was talking about. With sales, the vast majority of people are going to get what the hardware comes with (I know windows hardware has the option for older OS but the general public isn't going to take advantage of that much). Upgrades are done by the user so it makes a lot more sense that they would only be done if the user likes the newer version better, compared to sales.
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iOS 7 Adoption up to 87% Ahead of WWDC's Likely iOS 8 Announcement
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Not really what I was talking about. With sales, the vast majority of people are going to get what the hardware comes with (I know windows hardware has the option for older OS but the general public isn't going to take advantage of that much). Upgrades are done by the user so it makes a lot more sense that they would only be done if the user likes the newer version better, compared to sales.
The difference is, no other version of iOS has had as many conflicting opinions as iOS 7.
Acceptance of an OS still doesn't imply how good it is. People accept all kinds of mediocre or even bad things in life just because they are prevalent and/or there's not much they can do or want to invest time/effort in doing about them, etc., etc., etc.
You yourself pointed out in just the previous post what this number is really about--as in being relevant to developers for the purposes of app support and related items--and not some generic adoption number, and yet you seem to try to bring in all that other stuff that it's not about into the very next reply.
Theories as to what might be behind this or that aside, (again) as you yourself put it, this isn't what this number is about anyway.
You can talk all you want in generalities, but the numbers would say otherwise. "Good" is, of course, subjective. But in the context of previous iOS upgrades, iOS 7 is right in line with the record set by iOS 6. That doesn't happen when there is significant consumer backlash. Look at Windows.
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You are talking about two different things. In the first post that you were referring to, I was simply pointing out that there is a difference between overall adoption and adoption among App Store users. But I can certain compare adoption among App Store users between iOS 6 and iOS 7 and draw conclusions about consumer willingness to adopt iOS 7 as compared to iOS 6.
Again, just because there isn't a significant enough backlash doesn't really make App Store adoption numbers speak for how good iOS 7 is.
Now you're just playing semantics with your own word. Go back to the original post that started this conversation. No significant backlash is certainly evidence that iOS 7 is not a fail.https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18971054/
If one goes on the App Store with an iPhone 3, almost everything in the App Store isn't supported anymore. Only a small amount give an option to download an older version with 4.2.1 support.
I still use my old iPhone 3G on 4.2.1 with the TuneIn Radio app and a pair of speakers almost everyday. At this point the old Apps that still work, I already have. No new apps are being released with 4.2.1 support, so connecting to the App Store with an iPhone 3G or an original is almost pointless.
Could something still be "a fail" without there being a significant backlash?
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18971054/
Maybe if you talk in generalities instead of sticking to the specifics of the situation that we are talking about and make up an arbitrary definition of "fail" to fit your point.
Seems like what we established is that the specifics of the situation are that the numbers are from the App Store and are there for developer purposes--mainly as things relate to what versions of iOS to support as far as app development goes. Seems like anything beyond that, no matter how likely or unlikely it might seem to some or others, would be a generality and conjecture.Maybe if you talk in generalities instead of sticking to the specifics of the situation that we are talking about and make up an arbitrary definition of "fail" to fit your point.
Which standards are those? The iOS 7 rate is only 6% off the one announced for iOS 6 last year at WWDC. It still has two months to reach that level.
If everyone and their dog is using iOS7
And you're saying iOS7 is no good
Then you are saying that the vast majority of iOS users are stupid or masochists
I would argue that the vast majority of iOS users are smart people
Therefore, if they are using iOS7, it is satisfying and successful for them overall
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And you're saying iOS7 is no good
Then you are saying that the vast majority of iOS users are stupid or masochists
I would argue that the vast majority of iOS users are smart people
Therefore, if they are using iOS7, it is satisfying and successful for them overall
2 cents
Apple would bet better penetration if they would support all older hardware. The OSs could run on the older hardware if the programmers did a better job of graceful fall back. This would bring more people into the fold and into the future. Apple also desperately needs to offer better software legacy support because a lot of people don't upgrade for the simple reason that they'll lose access to key software and data.
I think it's safe to say if many people were disappointed in iOS7 it would've been on the news just as the AntennaGate issue that ended up with Steve Jobs doing a special keynote to resolve the issue and calm down the masses. That being said I'm pretty confident that the majority of that 87% is satisfied with iOS7.
Really just shoppers, right?
So this is really just 87% of people who went to the app store over a 7 day period.
People who shop for new apps (and updates?) seem more likely to update their OS than those who don't shop there, right? They need to updated, if they want to run some of the new apps.
Realistically, people running iOS 4 or 5 probably don't have a lot of motivation to go to the store to look for new apps since they aren't going to be many new apps supporting the old iOS.
From a App Store standpoint, that's excellent numbers! You could just develop for iOS 7 and not really be cutting out a lot of potential customers.
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So this is really just 87% of people who went to the app store over a 7 day period.
People who shop for new apps (and updates?) seem more likely to update their OS than those who don't shop there, right? They need to updated, if they want to run some of the new apps.
Realistically, people running iOS 4 or 5 probably don't have a lot of motivation to go to the store to look for new apps since they aren't going to be many new apps supporting the old iOS.
From a App Store standpoint, that's excellent numbers! You could just develop for iOS 7 and not really be cutting out a lot of potential customers.
Gary
99% of people who have a vehicle (in US) use a DMV of some sort in some capacity, there's also no huge organized outcry about the DMV system on the news or newspapers and so forth with anyone coming out to calm the masses or do something to actually address much of how things are done at the DMV, however, since somewhere in the order of 99% of people use it year after year that must mean that the majority of them are satisfied with it all.I think it's safe to say if many people were disappointed in iOS7 it would've been on the news just as the AntennaGate issue that ended up with Steve Jobs doing a special keynote to resolve the issue and calm down the masses. That being said I'm pretty confident that the majority of that 87% is satisfied with iOS7.
There are all kinds of ways to look at all kinds of numbers, but the actually meaningful ways are the ones that use the numbers for what they really are--where they come from, what they actually represent, what their purpose is, etc.
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If you don't have the option to downgrade from iOS 7 you can't draw conclusions on how much people enjoy it. You learn to live with it because what can you do ? Go buy another phone ?
I hate to bring this up but it is one of the stupidest problems with iOS. You can't change the look of it. You get stuck with a year of man I hate the look of this or that instead of being able to customize it with a launcher.
I hate to bring this up but it is one of the stupidest problems with iOS. You can't change the look of it. You get stuck with a year of man I hate the look of this or that instead of being able to customize it with a launcher.