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iOS 7 Beta Suggests iWork, iLife iOS Apps May Soon Be Free
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I just though it was ironic that you were admitting to piracy in the same post that you were mocking someone for admitting to piracy.Other than that you were "re-obtaining" it illegally.
Shouldn't wait on that ;-) I don't even want it. I've got my money's worth already so it's all good
Other than that you were "re-obtaining" it illegally.
I just said, I'm pretty sure it's legal. Tiger, for example, is something I torrented, and here's what it says in the license agreement:
I bought the iWorks a few years ago for iOS and OSX.
The great thing that I like is that they were cheap and legally installable on several devices.
5 Macs for the OSX version and undefined amount for the iOS version and
they suit my needs enough.
The only thing that I really want is the possibility to download iDVD from the App Store because while both my iMac and MBP have optical drives, only my iMac has iDVD (grey iLife dvd in the box with SL, only usable on the iMac).
The MBP came with Lion (upgraded to ML), but only contained GarageBand, iMovie and iPhoto, yet still has the optical drive.
I installed Burn, but would it be too much for Apple to just make iDVD available as a download upto 3 years after they stopped selling their external SuperDrive and Macs with optical drives.
The great thing that I like is that they were cheap and legally installable on several devices.
5 Macs for the OSX version and undefined amount for the iOS version and
they suit my needs enough.
The only thing that I really want is the possibility to download iDVD from the App Store because while both my iMac and MBP have optical drives, only my iMac has iDVD (grey iLife dvd in the box with SL, only usable on the iMac).
The MBP came with Lion (upgraded to ML), but only contained GarageBand, iMovie and iPhoto, yet still has the optical drive.
I installed Burn, but would it be too much for Apple to just make iDVD available as a download upto 3 years after they stopped selling their external SuperDrive and Macs with optical drives.
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So basically you are saying that if you don't need some of Word's more obscure features then you aren't really doing serious word processing. Nice thinking, but wrong. I wrote, designed and produced the camera-ready output for a 200+ page book entirely in Pages. Seemed like serious work to me at the time. Maybe I am mistaken. According to your definition I am.
The only way to achieve "full compatibility" with Word is to be Word. Or a Word clone. This a cage with no way out, ever. Hope you like it in there. You are never leaving.
But now I can see that Resistance is Futile™. I shall try to remember that in future.
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OMG the war is over and I don't even know who won! But now that you sent me the memo I totally get it.
For real spreadsheet jocks, sure, Excel is the King Rat. But how many people who have Excel installed on their PCs are real spreadsheet jocks? More than a fraction of 1%? I'd be totally shocked if it was considering that 99.x% of the spreadsheets I see don't even include any calculations. They are simple tables that could have been made in Word, if people could only figure out how it's done in Word.
For the vast majority of computer users, both Word and Excel are massive overkill. What most people actually need is fewer feature implemented better so that they can produced better documents more easily. This is what Apple offers.
I own all six, so a little gutting, but it's a good move
Yup. It would be just like on the Mac with iLife. Plus I always thought Apple should bundle iWork like iLife for free anyway. So I guess I get my wish
Hopefully iWork gets bundled for free on Macs now too!!! 
Word not compatible with itself!
Some great insights in the thread. I appreciated the following remark:
"The only way to achieve "full compatibility" with Word is to be Word. Or a Word clone."
The funniest thing about wanting compatibility is that Word itself often isn't the best for reading older documents, especially ones with graphics or charts in them. I have repeatedly found myself having to start up Neo Office to see the charts-- Word will show nothing where the graphic was!+.
And then there's Word's wonderful balking at double-click opening up documents created in much older versions of Word--and forcing the user to go into Word itself, go to the Open dialog box, and hunt around to find the old document. Hey, I know I want to open it, so just let me!
For most users, Word is absolute over-kill--and I write that as someone who has used it for years, written major treatises and reports with it, and made great use of its advanced features. I have even given workshops in how to use it.
But just because some of us like and use such features as the Navigation pane, table of contents, opening up multiple views of the same document, and do fancy footwork with Styles and footnotes, doesn't mean that Word is needed by the masses.
Say, anyone remember XYWrite or AppleWriter (or Word Juggler)? Or, even the much venerated Word 5.1? We all got lots done with word processors that had far fewer features and power than several of the current non-Word word processors out there.
Some great insights in the thread. I appreciated the following remark:
"The only way to achieve "full compatibility" with Word is to be Word. Or a Word clone."
The funniest thing about wanting compatibility is that Word itself often isn't the best for reading older documents, especially ones with graphics or charts in them. I have repeatedly found myself having to start up Neo Office to see the charts-- Word will show nothing where the graphic was!+.
And then there's Word's wonderful balking at double-click opening up documents created in much older versions of Word--and forcing the user to go into Word itself, go to the Open dialog box, and hunt around to find the old document. Hey, I know I want to open it, so just let me!
For most users, Word is absolute over-kill--and I write that as someone who has used it for years, written major treatises and reports with it, and made great use of its advanced features. I have even given workshops in how to use it.
But just because some of us like and use such features as the Navigation pane, table of contents, opening up multiple views of the same document, and do fancy footwork with Styles and footnotes, doesn't mean that Word is needed by the masses.
Say, anyone remember XYWrite or AppleWriter (or Word Juggler)? Or, even the much venerated Word 5.1? We all got lots done with word processors that had far fewer features and power than several of the current non-Word word processors out there.
Obscure features? I don't think something as cross-references can be described as an obscure feature. Every decent word processor has it, and it is considered one of the most important features of real word processing. WordPerfect, LibreOffice Writer, Mellel, Nisus Writer Pro. All of these word processors have cross-references. Pages doesn't.
Everybody may use any word processor to create a document with 200+ pages. However, the real deal about word processors is that they allow the creation of documents to be much easier and straightforward with features that allow structured writing. Pages is a beautiful program, but it is some sort of mixture of basic word processing with basic desktop publishing. You get both, but you don't get real features of any of them. The output is a nice document with beautifully designed pages. But what if you have a 300-page dissertation with over 1,000 footnotes and several cross-references between them? Would you adjust these footnotes manually? I wouldn't, as it would require a lot of time and effort. I prefer to use a feature called cross-references, which is present in Word, WordPerfect, Mellel, Nisus Writer Pro, LibreOffice Writer, and nearly every major word processor. With the exception of Pages, of course.
No, it is not. Pages could have it. Microsoft Office uses an open standard, and Apple could have invested some money in decrypting it.
Word is not a cage. Everybody uses Word. If you save your documents in .DOCX format, then you'll probably not have to save it in another format again, because everybody else will be able to open it. If Word is a cage, then everybody else is trapped in the same cage. It's like saying that the whole world is a cage, and then what's the problem in being in one?
Pages is the cage. If you save your documents in Pages, only a few people that use Mac computers will be able to open it. You may convert your Pages document to another file format, but then you may lose some elements or you may have compatibility issues.
Resistance is Futile? Oh, come on! What am I supposed to tell a client that complains that the document I send to him has compatibility issues and doesn't open well in his Microsoft Word? Would I tell him that it's because I'm using Pages instead of Word, and that something got lost during the conversion? How professional is that?
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Easier?
Have you ever used Office 2013 for Windows? Well, it's a joy to use. Nothing comes close in terms of features, ergonomics ease of use. It has all the features anyone could dream of, and, yet, it's very well implemented and easy to use. iWork doesn't hold a candle to Office 2013. It should, but Apple won't put any money in development of it.
I understand that most people don't need all the features in Word, Excel or PowerPoint. But then some people do need them.
And the best, most fully-featured version, of any office suite is Microsoft Office 2013 for Windows. And Apple offers an expensive line of computers, much more expensive than the average computer on the market, and the best office suite, which is arguably the most useful of any software, is only available for the cheaper platform? Then what's the point of it all?
I paid fot those apps. $10 a piece for iOS and $20 a piece for OS. $90 is a lot of scratch to be now just giving it away. Ugh.
You and your fellow engineering classmates will continue using Excel. While millions and millions will be absolutely happy with numbers.
BTW, Excel has a few quirks that can make it highly dangerous for proper engineering tasks. For example how it can modify data while you enter it can be highly dangerous.
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Well, you agreed to use your device with iOS7 only for development purposes. It's not a public beta, it is developer only, so you should know the risks.
Sure it does. Pages and Keynote are first rate in their class applications. This will likely be even more true with the iCloud features, and announced at the Keynote expected updates.
Google's apps are not close. Google's writing program has some nice collaboration features, but it falls short in a million other ways like font selection, graphic editing, etc.
In corporate and other shops where MS Office applications are the standard, it's difficult to get along without them, especially when people routinely exchange documents. That doesn't mean that Pages, Numbers, and Keynote aren't adequate for many tasks - I much prefer Keynote's UI and feature set over PowerPoint's, for example - just that for some use cases, iWork doesn't cut it.
Yes, obscure features. You are mistaking something you need for your work for something everyone needs. Major error in reasoning. It clouds your judgment.
You also misread my post. I did not "create" the book. I wrote it, designed it, and produced the camera-ready output for the printer. It was a complex layout with over 100 images. Maybe this "mixture" is of no use to you, but it is to others. Believe it or not.
You are confusing file formats with word processors. Using the same file format does you little good if the apps support different features.
Word is a cage because you insist that is it how word processors should work. No other options need be considered, no matter what your needs might be. This is the seductive error of calling a commercial product a "standard." It means you are a customer for life, as you will never consider anything else.
We have been using Pages for all of our business reports since version 1.0. Nobody has ever been aware that we don't use Word, and the results are far more "professional" than approximately all of the Word documents that come across my desk. Shocking, but true.
Is it really a crime to steal from thieves? Copyright used to give a limited monopoly to content creators for 10 years, then the corporate lobby got involved, and it is over 100 years old. This undermined the whole purpose of copyright law: namely to motivate content creators to create works for the public good. The 100 plus years is silly considering very few works are original, the creative threshold for a copyright is law, and patent expire after 20 years with a much higher creative threshold. Moreover, the penalty for copyright infringement is worst then if you walked into your local store and stole the hard copies.
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I agree numbers is weak, but Keynote is great. Pages is not as great as Word in terms of features, but for most people writing simple papers and letters Pages is good.
I do not think Apple is trying to appease the same people who want Office with iWorks. Apple wants Microsoft producing Office for the Mac because lots of people want compatibility and although different versions of Office documents often do not retain perfect cross platform compatibility, it does it better than other products. Apple is just trying to offer an inexpensive basic package that works for people with basic needs.
Well, standalone apps are MUCH slicker than web apps.... so I'm inclined to disagree with you.
This was mooted six days ago - Macrumours late on this
Its interesting that this is actually happening and has been seen by developers.
Last week 9to5Mac suggested that iWork could become free on the Mavericks and ios7. It is worth reading this article
http://9to5mac.com/2013/07/02/does-...k-mac-and-ios-apps-will-become-free-services/
The writer tweeted that he wouldn't suggest buying these apps before September as he believes they'll become free: https://twitter.com/llsethj/status/352163424735735812
This was followed by Business Insider taking the idea and commenting that if the iWork apps do become free then its a factor for even more people and companies to buy Mac hardware.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iwork-for-ipad-free-2013-7
I would certainly download these apps if they became free (the current price
isn't stopping me now) and using iWork for the first time might see me in the future give up MS Office which is clearly what Apple is aiming for others to do.
Its interesting that this is actually happening and has been seen by developers.
Last week 9to5Mac suggested that iWork could become free on the Mavericks and ios7. It is worth reading this article
http://9to5mac.com/2013/07/02/does-...k-mac-and-ios-apps-will-become-free-services/
The writer tweeted that he wouldn't suggest buying these apps before September as he believes they'll become free: https://twitter.com/llsethj/status/352163424735735812
This was followed by Business Insider taking the idea and commenting that if the iWork apps do become free then its a factor for even more people and companies to buy Mac hardware.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iwork-for-ipad-free-2013-7
I would certainly download these apps if they became free (the current price
isn't stopping me now) and using iWork for the first time might see me in the future give up MS Office which is clearly what Apple is aiming for others to do.