I completely agree. As much as I and we like iOS 7 much of it could and should have been on the iPhone much much earlier. It's like they've had to go back to basics rather than look forward. As other platforms are using that time to look forward its likely iOS 8 will also be playing catch up.
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iOS 7 features: why didn't we get these from Forstall?
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Ok, actually didn't think of those. My fault. Anyways, the original comment was still ignorant.
What major things? As great as iOS 7 is, it's essentially a UI redesign, Control Center, and some APIs. Updates like these come with each iteration of iOS—this is just one of the most visually different iterations. Forstall was fine with Notification Center, so I can't see why he'd have a problem with CC.
All I mean to say is that the updates that were let out under Forstall's leadership were as desired as the changes in iOS 7. We didn't get these changes because we were getting others as technology advanced.
I love this comment. It's exactly what every internet user should emulate; civility when rationally opposed. Much respect.
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What did we get in iOS 6 that matches what we're getting in iOS 7? Siri providing sport scores? Buggy maps?
Yeah, iOS 6 was horrible compared to the other operating systems released under Forstall's leadership.
I liked Notification Center in iOS 5, multitasking and wallpaper in iOS 4, copy & paste and spotlight in iOS 3, and the app store in iOS 2.
My only question is what is Forstall doing now? I don't recall hearing a peep about him since he was shown the door.
I also wonder if he'll still use an iphone with iOS 7's release.
I also wonder if he'll still use an iphone with iOS 7's release.
Not that I disagree with your premise, but iOS 7 is an almost complete rewrite of the UI engine, it's more than a skin-deep UI redesign.
In fact, iOS 6 apps run in a legacy mode akin to classic in the early Mac OS X versions. This is why for example legacy apps still use the iOS 6 keyboard in iOS 7.
Internally, Apple even calls pre-iOS 7 apps using the same nomenclature : "Classic apps", while apps "natively" compiled for iOS 7 are called "Stark apps" (internal code name).
More likely Philip Starck. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've used control centre. Because Scott did such a good job you don't need to be turning your bluetooth/wifi etc off and on all the time.
What's to say they weren't in the pipeline and have been in development/test for years?
(the multitasking, i mean)
Scott Forstall isn't soley responsible for the development of iOS through v6.x
(the multitasking, i mean)
Scott Forstall isn't soley responsible for the development of iOS through v6.x
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This is just OP's passive aggressive way of saying that no one is better than his lord and savior Jony. This, and the thousand other posts he/she keeps posting about the greatness of Jony Ive everyday.
Honest question. There are a lot of badly needed features in iOS 7, most notably quick toggles for settings like Bluetooth and wifi, better multi tasking, notifications on lock screen, Siri able to change settings etc. Why didn't see any of these things while Forstall was running the show? Surely some of these could have been included in iOS 6.
My guess is that with Forstall Apple had an other philosophy with iOS. They wanted to make iOS like that so you dont have to worry about turning on and off bluetooth or wifi etc. You were supposed to just use it and the os manages it itself.
For example, i dont really need the control center. I almost never use the flight mode and I leave bluetooth and wifi on all the time. The only thing i like it the brightness slider
Wouldn't it be a security issue if Siri could change settings on a locked screen?
Unlocked screen, yeah, all for it. Locked screen i think Siri should be kept out like he is at the present moment
Unlocked screen, yeah, all for it. Locked screen i think Siri should be kept out like he is at the present moment
^this.
Sooner or later all the Ive lovers will hate him, fans will look for a new saviour, and the process will begin again
Now, seriously. Apple Maps was a very big black hole that probably sucked the dev team's time. That's why we didn't see many features added to iOS (not like it didn't take them 2 lines of code to write the features
, but I guess they didn't want to make things more difficult to themselves). Also, that other nice little thing... Oh, yes, notification centre, I believe I only have 2 friends who have actually used it (or use it). This action centre could be just the same
I use wifi toggle every day. When I'm at work I turn it off and turn it back on when I leave. Sometimes I turn wifi off when Downcast is being incredibly slow (downloading podcasts over wifi can be incredibly slow sometimes).
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Hmm...care to link to all these posts you're referring to? Surely if there are thousands of posts it should be easy for you to find.
Still doesn't refute the point that Apple is playing catchup with iOS 7 because of Jobs and Forstall.
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^this.
Sooner or later all the Ive lovers will hate him, fans will look for a new saviour, and the process will begin again
Now, seriously. Apple Maps was a very big black hole that probably sucked the dev team's time. That's why we didn't see many features added to iOS (not like it didn't take them 2 lines of code to write the features
Maybe people will start using notification center more as Apple improves it. I don't use Google services but a lot of people I know do. I'd love to see Apple build competent competing services to give Google a run for their money and create even more "stickiness" with the ecosystem. Something like Today in notification center is a good start, and something l think Apple can improve over time to be a credible alternative to Google Now.
Well, certainly can't disagree with you on your assessment of the original comment. Lol
Strings in the springboard executable from the iOS 7 simulator in XCode 5 are pretty clear about that. Some UI image assets also contain the "Stark" prefix in their names.
What I really need is not a Bluetooth on/off switch, but a way to quickly connect/disconnect from Bluetooth devices. Right now, in order to connect to a bluetoth device, I still need to go to Settings, and in order to disconnect, I have to turn Bluetooth off.
And iOS 3 with copy and paste wasn't catchup? Multitasking wasn't catchup in iOS 4? Notification wasn't catchup in iOS 5? So how exactly does this make iOS 7 any different? Design could be included but there is currently nothing HORRIBLY wrong with the way iOS currently looks and functions that was "broken".
Apple has never been first at many things but usually comes up with a good solution. As much of a jerk Forstall was, I don't think blaming him with some blanket statement is really valid. Its still a tile of icons on a screen with a very in depth coat of paint. But the overall functionality of the OS is much the same, just enhanced as every other iOS has done.
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Hmm...care to link to all these posts you're referring to? Surely if there are thousands of posts it should be easy for you to find.
Every thread where someone even remotely criticizes some design aspect of iOS 7 you're usually one of the first people there vigorously defending sir Ive's flawless masterpiece. Same with hardware too. I'm just wondering, can you name one thing that you're not entirely happy with in iOS 7? Surely it's not perfect right? This will make me feel better because glancing at your posts they come across as a bit... Cultish.
And yes I like iOS 7 overall!