Seriously, what's with all the kids suddenly coming out of the woodwork to interject their underdeveloped and essentially pointless "opinions" (and they can barely even be called that) into serious adult conversations that they couldn't comprehend even if they wanted to (and most certainly don't even want to)?
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iOS 7 Users Complaining About Motion Sickness Due to Parallax and Zooming Effects
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Even if you turn them off, don't forget the Apple developers who waisted a lot of good time on these stupid animations. Sad...
Totally, but what do you expect here? People need their daily quota of complaining on MR, and if they can complain about people complaining, it fills up twice as fast.
IMO there is plenty to complain about with iOS 7 before getting to the animations, but they are hideous, and cannot be turned off. I get motion sickness from some 3d fps games, especially watching them, and fully understand how this is affecting people. Worst is when there are fast animations that you have no control over. That's why scrolling doesn't induce similar effects, you're making it happen. The zoom effects happen independently, and unlike before, it is hard to work out where they will appear, and ready one's mind for them.
What I really don't get is how everyone can keep defending even just lack of choice from Apple saying "these animations are best for you" ><. Just give us an option to kill them across the board. The complainers will be happy, and the people complaining about the complainers ... will go find something else to complain about.
The insensitive and ridiculing responses in this thread are simply unbelievable.
It seem as if the MR forums is running rampant with middle school kids that would run around the playground making fun of the kid with asthma using an inhaler or the kid with a speech impediment...
There was one comment on an article that said all of us having this motion-related issue should be stuffed into a gas chamber. And it received several "thumbs up".
Unless you are a doctor or medial professional, your "opinion" on this matter carries no weight. Motion related issues are real.
Just cause you don't have an issue with motion on a screen, doesn't mean others don't. Just cause you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If a guy is walking around with lung cancer and you can't see it, are you gonna make fun of him if he says he has trouble breathing? Call him a liar and a loser and a whiner?
For the record, I like Apple. You might even call me a fanboy. I like my iPhone 5 and IOS 7. I like all my Mac products.
However, I have experienced issues this past week with dizzyness and motion-sickness, mostly due to the app zooming animations. It leaves me with lingering headaches that last throughout the day.
I had zero issues with my iPhone 5 running IOS 6. Those animations, for whatsoever reason, were inherently different and had no affect on me.
I am healthy and active adult, with no other health ailments. I enjoy playing sports, riding motorcyles, snowbooarding, rock climbing, etc so it's not motion that affects me. But I do have problems with simulated motion, even on a 4" screen.
I am not here to complain and whine about how I am entitled to this or that from Apple.
All we're asking for is a "disable app animation" option within the Accessibility menu. Which means for everyone else, you can keep it enabled, if you wish. Why are people so offended by that simple suggestion?
I do realize this is a problem only affecting a small percentage of users. Maybe only 1%-2% of Apple's users are affected by motion-sensitivity. But with 200 million upgrades to IOS 7 in the past week alone, that would still amount to more than 2 million people.
I have faith that Apple is listening and will help with this issue.
It seem as if the MR forums is running rampant with middle school kids that would run around the playground making fun of the kid with asthma using an inhaler or the kid with a speech impediment...
There was one comment on an article that said all of us having this motion-related issue should be stuffed into a gas chamber. And it received several "thumbs up".
Unless you are a doctor or medial professional, your "opinion" on this matter carries no weight. Motion related issues are real.
Just cause you don't have an issue with motion on a screen, doesn't mean others don't. Just cause you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
If a guy is walking around with lung cancer and you can't see it, are you gonna make fun of him if he says he has trouble breathing? Call him a liar and a loser and a whiner?
For the record, I like Apple. You might even call me a fanboy. I like my iPhone 5 and IOS 7. I like all my Mac products.
However, I have experienced issues this past week with dizzyness and motion-sickness, mostly due to the app zooming animations. It leaves me with lingering headaches that last throughout the day.
I had zero issues with my iPhone 5 running IOS 6. Those animations, for whatsoever reason, were inherently different and had no affect on me.
I am healthy and active adult, with no other health ailments. I enjoy playing sports, riding motorcyles, snowbooarding, rock climbing, etc so it's not motion that affects me. But I do have problems with simulated motion, even on a 4" screen.
I am not here to complain and whine about how I am entitled to this or that from Apple.
All we're asking for is a "disable app animation" option within the Accessibility menu. Which means for everyone else, you can keep it enabled, if you wish. Why are people so offended by that simple suggestion?
I do realize this is a problem only affecting a small percentage of users. Maybe only 1%-2% of Apple's users are affected by motion-sensitivity. But with 200 million upgrades to IOS 7 in the past week alone, that would still amount to more than 2 million people.
I have faith that Apple is listening and will help with this issue.
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I'm sure Apple will expand their controls for disabling more animations if it is causing problems for people. But you are quite mistaken if you think the animations are all superfluous.
The option for Reduce Motion also applies to Alerts. You should stick to constructive feedback about what animations are causing you problems and not interject your opinions about the value of the animations as part of the user experience.
The animations can actually be considered an assistive technology to help average people understand what in the world is going on as they navigate a virtual realm that is contained in the UI of their iDevice. Just because you do not personally see the value, does not mean there is none. Second guessing everyone else's needs is really no different then everyone second guessing your needs.
No, I saw your three "reasons". I just didn't realize you thought they were some sort of evidence. They were personal opinions that all boiled down to, as I said, anyone who doesn't sing Apple's praises in your opinion is an anti-Apple shill. The fact that you started the sentence expounding your three "reasons" with "The smarter anti-Apple shills blah blah blah" pretty much invalidates everything that came afterward. The whole sentence creates a situation that anyone who "cleverly" speaks out against Apple is a "smart anti-Apple shill" and anyone else who "un-cleverly" speaks out against Apple is a "dumb anti-Apple shill". In other words you've created the unwinnable no-true-Scotsman logical fallacy argument that you accused me of using on you. In your opinion, apparently, any negative post about Apple is Q.E.D. posted by an anti-Apple shill, proven simply by the fact that it is a post that is negative about Apple. A classic circular self-supporting argument.
Along with far too many other people these days you seem to fail to understand what the word "evidence" means, except where you paradoxically acknowledge above that there is none. Until you can show actual evidence it is your _opinion_ that the Apple forum post was a blatant fabrication.
I am somewhat "credulous" of this issue because I have often personally experienced these kinds of issues myself with many visual interfaces. If you are unable to believe that anyone can legitimately experience major physical issues triggered by visual effects, that is not my (our) problem. I assure you these effects are very real. Unless you have some proof that I have a history of lying or work for some Apple competitor, what reason would you have to disbelieve me?
So, in your _opinion_ I am either a fool, or a flat out lying anti-Apple shill (working for whom?) or both. The funny thing is I'm not even directly complaining about the issue at hand, nor am I actually defending the Apple forum post. I simply asked for proof of your accusation of obvious "blatant fabrication" which you have failed to provide. You have provided ample proof only that you have an opinion.
Again, one's personal opinion of how some perceived anti-Apple shills might format what you perceive as anti-Apple posts does not meet the definition of evidence of any kind for fabrication, blatant or otherwise.
I'm sure this will give you even more LOLs than my other post. Enjoy.
Excellent post.
What you said will unfortunately go way over the head of the majority of the kids that somehow feel the real world functions like their playground.
Indeed. It doesn't seem to have been worth it.
The parallax seems particularly pointless. And since it's a bit jerky on my ipad 4, the intended illusion is shattered.
Now, as for the zooming of apps when you open/close them: I kind-of get where the designers were going with that one. I think they were trying to give you a better sense of place and orientation. So rather than an app just popping up in your face, you go on a short 'journey' into the app. It's quite a clever idea, but I don't think anyone considered that journeys can lead to motion sickness. Especially if a user is popping in an out of apps like crazy!
I never even noticed until reading about it here.
Some FPS games give me problems with motion sickness at first, as well as flight sims where your only view is from within the cockpit, but the brain does adjust to it after a few days. Just give it time.
Some FPS games give me problems with motion sickness at first, as well as flight sims where your only view is from within the cockpit, but the brain does adjust to it after a few days. Just give it time.
Congratulations on incorrectly assuming that it takes more than an instant to trigger motion sickness or vertigo. For some people it can be almost instantaneous. Or worse, cumulative, where you don't even notice it starting but it gets bad after returning to the home screen just a few times in the course of an hour or so. The bad scene in that Pokemon cartoon that sent hundreds of Japanese children to the hospital with epileptic seizures is only a few seconds long. Were the children that had seizures just being wussies or deliberately staring at the screen trying to make themselves sick?
Nobody needed to be irresponsibly trying to trigger their own motion sickness by "staring" at the animations for long periods. Assuming that the only way this could happen is by someone trying to force it to happen is extremely ignorant. And nobody in their right mind tries to deliberately give themselves extreme vertigo or motion sickness. Anyone who has ever experienced it knows that it is quite a horrible experience that you always want to go away ASAP and never return.
But I seem to be wasting my breath on all those who are dismissing this issue out of hand just because they aren't personally affected by it at the moment.
tl;dr for the rest of it. I stated what was clearly an opinion about an anecdote I read on the Internet and gave my reasons why I don't believe it. For you to try to cast this as my believing it is "evidence" is just another one of your mischaracterizations, to put it politely. It's also rather ironic, as you are defending a wild story offered with zero evidence to back it up, while earlier demanding "proof" from me that it's untrue, else I can't give my reasons why I don't believe this anecdote I read on the Internet. I guess for you, it's a good thing the guy I quoted said it was "8 out of 10 people" he met getting headaches and sick from iOS 7, people who like him had "never experienced motion sickness in their life", because claiming it was 10 out of 10 would have been ridiculous. Then again, for you, maybe not.
Or maybe you could close your eyes when reading a post you disagree with, so you don't "suffer" from the need to belittle those who have problems you don't feel like acknowledging.
What's good for the goose...
Please, you act like there were not animations in ios6... just because they were different animations does not mean that they were not there.
Also, people are greatly over exaggerating the amount of time the animations take. Opening apps takes just about the exact same amount of time as ios6. Do a side by side comparison and you will see that the difference is more your perception of the animation taking longer when in reality they open almost simultaneously.
Not to mention, ios7 saves pictures faster than 6, opens web pages faster than 6, etc. So even if you lost a quarter of a second opening the app, you would easily make up that time with the quarter of a second you save every time you open a new webpage or take a photo, etc.
Please, stop saying that it takes "significantly" longer because the differences are very minimal, and while you may lose a quarter second here or there, you are going to gain it back in other tasks so stop trying to say you are losing productivity, and it's wasting your time to watch animations. Just because animations are more exaggerated in ios7 people exaggerate that they are losing so much time and waiting so long for an animation.
The next class action lawsuit is underway
Not true, we are not looking for money
Just an option to disable the app animation
Imagine bringing your iPad in for liquid damage with the excuse, I got seasick and barfed on my tablet.
These frivolous complaints, make me angry. I think I'm getting emotion sickness.
These frivolous complaints, make me angry. I think I'm getting emotion sickness.
tl;dr for the rest of it. I stated what was clearly an opinion about an anecdote I read on the Internet and gave my reasons why I don't believe it. For you to try to cast this as my believing it is "evidence" is just another one of your mischaracterizations, to put it politely. It's also rather ironic, as you are defending a wild story offered with zero evidence to back it up, while earlier demanding "proof" from me that it's untrue, else I can't give my reasons why I don't believe this anecdote I read on the Internet. I guess for you, it's a good thing the guy I quoted said it was "8 out of 10 people" he met getting headaches and sick from iOS 7, people who like him had "never experienced motion sickness in their life", because claiming it was 10 out of 10 would have been ridiculous. Then again, for you, maybe not.
Dumbing this down for you: You asserted quite specifically that the original post was "blatant fabrication". I asked for proof, you gave none. Disagreeing with someone merely requires an opinion. Claiming that someone is lying and making something up requires proof. You did not merely disagree with the original poster, you stated that they were flat out lying.
Again, I defended nothing. I offered my own anecdotal evidence that the original post may be at least partially defensible as truth, and asked for proof of the claimed "fabrication". You reinforced your opinion of its falsehood with more opinion, and did so yet again.
Your automatic disbelief of the "8 out of 10" claim is a symptom of misunderstanding how highly variable statistical distributions can be relative to individual data points. It is easily within the realm of possibility for a single individual to know several people experiencing the same problem, even if most of the overall statistical population does not experience the problem. Possible, just not highly probable. If you could show several other individuals claiming 80% or greater of their acquaintances were affected, you might have a point about possible evidence of fabrication. A single anecdote that does not fit your assumed statistical curve is not evidence of lying.
The hundreds of children who were given epileptic seizures by a Pokemon cartoon also had not experienced epileptic seizures before or since. That does not constitute proof that they were all lying. I had never gotten motion sickness in a movie theater until going to see Man of Steel. Does never having gotten sick in a theater before constitute proof that I just lied about getting motion sickness while viewing Man of Steel in the theater? I did in fact get almost violently ill while watching that movie, even though I have been just fine watching hundreds of other movies in dark theaters for decades prior and since.
Anyway, since I (and anyone else claiming to have motion sickness issues) am obviously a moron in your eyes and you are obviously convinced that you cannot possibly be incorrect, it is obviously pointless to continue this conversation. My original post was merely trying to make the point that you had no factual basis for claiming fabrication besides your own opinion, and you've repeatedly missed the point or refused to acknowledge it. I can do no more.
tl;dr: You are smart guy and I am dum-dum guy.
I've been trying to understand why most people are reacting so negatively when they read about this issue. Here is my take:
1) They don't take time to read the article and understand the actual issue.
They read the headline and think it's just the parallax home screen, which can be disabled. And they keep telling us "hey dummies, you can turn off the motion in the settings!" or "stop staring at your home screen".
2) They are lumping those of us suffering from motion sickness with other people who are simply complaining about every new change or IOS release.
For example, lots of people are complaining about issues of personal preference, such as "I hate the neon green colors" or "why do I have to swipe left, when I could swipe right before" or "the new notepad is ugly!".
Or others are complaining about the animation times, saying the animation is too slow and takes an extra second to fully load.
So those of us that are simply have motion-sensitivity problems with the app zooming animation are lumped into this same group as people who love to complain about any change.
3) They read one of the extreme cases of the guy who had to go home sick from work due to IOS 7 or the wife who fainted from the dizzyness and use that to illustrate how ridiculous this whole issue is.
The reality, I think, is that most of us have milder symptoms of motion sickness. We aren't leaving work and we aren't fainting, but we have some dizzyness and nausea and headaches that linger throughout the day. It is genuinely affecting us.
4) Even if some believe motion sickness is real, they think any who suffers from it and any other problem is a "wimp" and needs to "grow a set!"
My favorite is when they say "haha, how can you even drive a car or walk outside or function in life with all the motion zooming around you?" The may be too ignorant to realize simulated motion on a screen is different and can be a real problem for some, regardless of how tough you are.
5) They think that being on the forum for 10 years since the Apple IIe days and having 5000 posts qualifies you as a medical doctor.
I guess that's what makes these forums entertaining.
1) They don't take time to read the article and understand the actual issue.
They read the headline and think it's just the parallax home screen, which can be disabled. And they keep telling us "hey dummies, you can turn off the motion in the settings!" or "stop staring at your home screen".
2) They are lumping those of us suffering from motion sickness with other people who are simply complaining about every new change or IOS release.
For example, lots of people are complaining about issues of personal preference, such as "I hate the neon green colors" or "why do I have to swipe left, when I could swipe right before" or "the new notepad is ugly!".
Or others are complaining about the animation times, saying the animation is too slow and takes an extra second to fully load.
So those of us that are simply have motion-sensitivity problems with the app zooming animation are lumped into this same group as people who love to complain about any change.
3) They read one of the extreme cases of the guy who had to go home sick from work due to IOS 7 or the wife who fainted from the dizzyness and use that to illustrate how ridiculous this whole issue is.
The reality, I think, is that most of us have milder symptoms of motion sickness. We aren't leaving work and we aren't fainting, but we have some dizzyness and nausea and headaches that linger throughout the day. It is genuinely affecting us.
4) Even if some believe motion sickness is real, they think any who suffers from it and any other problem is a "wimp" and needs to "grow a set!"
My favorite is when they say "haha, how can you even drive a car or walk outside or function in life with all the motion zooming around you?" The may be too ignorant to realize simulated motion on a screen is different and can be a real problem for some, regardless of how tough you are.
5) They think that being on the forum for 10 years since the Apple IIe days and having 5000 posts qualifies you as a medical doctor.
I guess that's what makes these forums entertaining.
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When I was about 7, I found out I had this issue. I was playing a game on my Sega Genesis, Sonic 3D Blast to be exact, and I had never felt so nauseated in my life after 10 minutes of playing.
Just because you can't sense this feeling, doesn't mean that others can't. We don't want to sue the pants out of Apple, we just want the option to turn off the animations. They put a lot of accessibility options into OS X, why can't they do the same in iOS? In fact, when the developer previews came out, parallax was the first thing I turned off because of that.
Vertigo is the most horrible feeling in the world and I have gone through it twice this summer. Waking up and seeing everything flipped over, and then screaming because of that. I've been overall really shaky this last two months too considering I've been using iOS 7 more and more.
And yes, I actually went to the doctor about it, and there is nothing wrong with me. I even got MRI scans. When you have this problem, there is no fix. It's just a sensory malfunction in your brain.
Just because you can't sense this feeling, doesn't mean that others can't. We don't want to sue the pants out of Apple, we just want the option to turn off the animations. They put a lot of accessibility options into OS X, why can't they do the same in iOS? In fact, when the developer previews came out, parallax was the first thing I turned off because of that.
Vertigo is the most horrible feeling in the world and I have gone through it twice this summer. Waking up and seeing everything flipped over, and then screaming because of that.
I've been overall really shaky this last two months too considering I've been using iOS 7 more and more.And yes, I actually went to the doctor about it, and there is nothing wrong with me. I even got MRI scans. When you have this problem, there is no fix. It's just a sensory malfunction in your brain.
My take: The original headline was, "iOS7 Users Complaining...".
So right from the git-go, the sufferers were characterized as whingeing, whining, complainers. The first few posts developed that theme. From there, the thread degenerated into a competitive game of "follow the leader" mixed with "I can top that!"
It happens frequently. Rather than contribute an original thought, it's safer to follow the crowd. Easier too.
iOS 7 had an affair with my wife and peed in my rosebushes.
This is especially remarkable as I'm a single, gay apartment dweller.
You're still trying to carry on an argument that makes no sense, and after two unsuccessful attempts, I'm through trying to get you on track. Later.
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