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Seriously?

This is ridiculous. Two simple points: (1) You don't have to use an iDevice, or upgrade to iOS 7 for that matter, and (2) welcome to the world, everything has animations and movements similar to iOS 7--Movies, TV shows, pretty much ALL of Las Vegas (or any big city for that matter), the real world, etc.

I mean seriously, there is no need for every person to have the ability to use every device and do anything they want. It is literally impossible to build a world to accommodate every person.
 
Wow

Some of you are vicious, uncaring people.

While iOS 7 doesn't cause any vertigo-like issues with me, thanks to a lifetime of ear infections, I do experience such on nearly every amusement ride (save the ferris wheel!) I've ever been on or every time I read in the car, and it's a horribly debilitating experience.

It's not something you can think away (I tried that while watching TV while JetBlue circled JFK, I ended up dry heaving and getting lost in the terminal because I couldn't walk straight) or really even plan for, unless you like to alternate between dramamine pills to stay focused and energy shots to stay awake.

The negative commenters here make me ashamed of the MR community as a whole. Enough.
 
Well...

Did you complain to JetBlue for making you get motion sickness?...

I didn't have to. I was helped off the plane by the attendants, given a ginger soda by the lady at the gate, and checked up on via Twitter later that night.

However, had they then had my plane circle an airport while forcing me to stare at the TV on the back of the seat in front of me every time I flew with them, sure I would.

But what are these people asking for, to turn the animations off? What's wrong with that? It's not like the people changed, the phone did.
 
Some of you are vicious, uncaring people.

And what do you have to say about someone who posts blatant fabrications like this, which I got from the Apple forum:

I am suffering the same problem. The animations or zooming in when opening and closing apps (or however you describe it) are giving me a headache and even made me feel sick.

Furthermore, I met 10 people yesterday who had upgraded to iOS7, of which 8 people complained of the same problem.

Apple please dont mistake this as a only affecting people who suffer from motion sickness. I have never suffered from motion sickness in my life and neither had any people I met yesterday. But I get a headache from opening up an app, surely thats unnacceptable experience. I had every intention of upgrading to a 5s. But its really not worth it. Ive never owned an Android device. I think I will very soon.

With every new Apple product, there is always something like this, and it's not always so easy to distinguish cranks and liars from people who may have a legitimate problem. The smarter anti-Apple shills don't try to embellish their stories with tales of the surveys they conducted, nor do they attempt to portray iOS 7 as unlike anything they've ever experienced in their lives, causing problems they've never had, nor do they make claims that this is a dealbreaker that will make them move to Android.
 
Some of you are vicious, uncaring people.

While iOS 7 doesn't cause any vertigo-like issues with me, thanks to a lifetime of ear infections, I do experience such on nearly every amusement ride (save the ferris wheel!) I've ever been on or every time I read in the car, and it's a horribly debilitating experience.

It's not something you can think away (I tried that while watching TV while JetBlue circled JFK, I ended up dry heaving and getting lost in the terminal because I couldn't walk straight) or really even plan for, unless you like to alternate between dramamine pills to stay focused and energy shots to stay awake.

The negative commenters here make me ashamed of the MR community as a whole. Enough.

I've had Chronic Vertigo and meniere's disease since 1989. It was first triggered while working on the UCLA campus. I attempted to ride a bus home, but couldn't stand the motion and immediately got off the bus and began "chucking" into some bushes near a bus stop. Not even able to open my eyes, I sprawled out on a bench and called for help. Eventually someone helped me and called a family member who took me to the UCLA hospital ER.

All that to say, I understand the effects of vertigo. I also understand that we live in a world of motion. Almost everything is driven by fluid motion in video. Do these people not watch TV? I know I can't go to an IMAX theater for most movies, so I simply avoid it. I've never even once thought about blaming IMAX for my inability to see spectacular effects. I simply understand it's one of the limitations of me living my life. I move on.

We live in a complaining society where a majority of people seem to think there's always someone else to blame for their inadequacies and problems. It's that cliche' "victim mentality" that seems to always look for someone else to blame (and receive compensation from in too many cases).

None of these people have had their new iPhones for more than 14 days, so return it. There's it's done. No more nausea and they can go back to their texting phone or droid or whatever, and other people don't have to worry about having the enjoyment of a new system stymied by a few folks whining about their own bad experience.

There. Now I gave you one more reason to be ashamed of the "whole MR community" :)
 
Cool!

I've had Chronic Vertigo and meniere's disease since 1989. It was first triggered while working on the UCLA campus. I attempted to ride a bus home, but couldn't stand the motion and immediately got off the bus and began "chucking" into some bushes near a bus stop. Not even able to open my eyes, I sprawled out on a bench and called for help. Eventually someone helped me and called a family member who took me to the UCLA hospital ER.

All that to say, I understand the effects of vertigo. I also understand that we live in a world of motion. Almost everything is driven by fluid motion in video. Do these people not watch TV? I know I can't go to an IMAX theater for most movies, so I simply avoid it. I've never even once thought about blaming IMAX for my inability to see spectacular effects. I simply understand it's one of the limitations of me living my life. I move on.

We live in a complaining society where a majority of people seem to think there's always someone else to blame for their inadequacies and problems. It's that cliche' "victim mentality" that seems to always look for someone else to blame (and receive compensation from in too many cases).

None of these people have had their new iPhones for more than 14 days, so return it. There's it's done. No more nausea and they can go back to their texting phone or droid or whatever, and other people don't have to worry about having the enjoyment of a new system stymied by a few folks whining about their own bad experience.

There. Now I gave you one more reason to be ashamed of the "whole MR community" :)

Great, except what about those people who didn't buy new iPhones, but just upgrade to iOS 7 on their existing phones? Do you have a solution for them?
 
With every new Apple product, there is always something like this, and it's not always so easy to distinguish cranks and liars from people who may have a legitimate problem. The smarter anti-Apple shills don't try to embellish their stories with tales of the surveys they conducted, nor do they attempt to portray iOS 7 as unlike anything they've ever experienced in their lives, causing problems they've never had, nor do they make claims that this is a dealbreaker that will make them move to Android.

THEN CALL OUT THE IDIOTS INSTEAD OF MAKING FUN OF EVERYONE.

If I'm allergic to something but show no outward symptoms that you can see, does that mean I'm not allergic to it? Would I need to prove to you that I was sick?

My dad, who is 30 years old than I am, gets dizzy whenever he sees me playing FPS games (or used to, anyway). Is he wrong?

I get that people like to defend Apple on just about everything, but good god, they're not perfect and it's certainly a possibility that a small number of people have this problem.

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...stop complaining sounds like a good one...

Extremely unhelpful.

Man, **** this. Macrumors has gone from a place where Apple fanboys can brag about Macs and talk about software to an anti-everything-not-Apple zealotry that's just ****ing mean.

I'm done with you people.
 
I hope this leads to an option to turn the animations off, or at least tone them down. Not because I get motion sick, but because they're time-wasters.
 
How very sad...

Seriously?

People just want to complain about something.

Yes, seriously.

I really shouldn't be surprised anymore how many self-centered jerkwads crawl out of the woodwork at times like this to spew ignorant hatred on people who have real problems. Nevertheless it does still surprise me that a relatively friendly forum like this could apparently be filled with so many horrible people up-modding each others' nasty comments.

Not everyone on earth is the same. Many people do have major problems with easily-triggered motion sickness or vertigo, and trust me when I say that you should thank your lucky stars if you don't have such issues. I would not wish motion sickness, vertigo or migraine headaches on my worst enemy, and if you are one of those laughing at and dismissing people who have this "ridiculous" problem you may rest assured that you qualify as a truly awful person.

The fact is that it doesn't take much visually to trigger terrible physical effects in some small percentage of the population, like the hundreds of perfectly normal Japanese children who were sent to the hospital back in 1997 after a Pokemon cartoon episode triggered epileptic seizures. That actually happened, by the way, it's not just an urban legend. They had to pull the episode and edit out the flashing sequence before it was allowed back on broadcast television.

As user interface designers, Apple needs to acknowledge the percentage of the population that has these issues and allow them to disable the 3D effects entirely. They should also be tweaking the animations to speed them up and make them less likely to trigger motion sickness in the first place. This should not be difficult. After all, nobody was complaining about vertigo triggered by iOS 6 or earlier.

Belittling those who are affected by a debilitating health issue like this is extremely childish. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for your lack of compassion and understanding. I only hope that when you encounter a similar problem in your own lives you receive more compassion from others than you have given out today.
 
Yes, this is definitely real. It's slight for me though, and sometimes I feel it, sometimes I don't.

In particular, I find the constant zooming in and out of a folder animations motion-sickness inducing. The parallax effect with the home screen and popup messages don't bother me at all though.

What's funny is I'm also a core gamer and play a lot of fast paced 3D shooter games. :eek:
 
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If you haven't already, please submit feedback to Apple. I will too :)

Thanks for understanding. Unfortunately, most people seem to think if an issue doesn't affect them, then it is a non-issue and something to make fun of and belittle others for. We live in a very cruel world.

I have submitted feedback to apple.com/feedback. Thank you so much for doing the same!
 
It might be wise to realize that the following people might not have been able to function in society and achieve what they achieved if "survival of the fittest" was the way forward:

  • Alexander Graham Bell (learning disability)
  • Thomas Edison (Slightly deaf, learning disability)
  • Albert Einstein (Aspbergers Syndrome, possibly dyslexic)
  • Henry Ford (Dyslexic)
  • Stephen Hawking (Motor neurone disease)
  • Isaac Newton (Stutter, epilepsy)
  • Leonardo Da Vinci (dyslexic)
  • Pythagoras (epilepsy)
  • H.G. Wells (diabetes)

Also interesting to note that almost all of these people lived in non socialist democratic cultures, but rather more conservative, small government, and/or oligarcy/monarchy/despotic cultures. Only after WWII did the modern Western European social democratic model start to really take shape. So what's your point? Some of the great minds in human history were not 100% healthy people?

Dislexia and learning disabilities are hardly life threatening conditions if we are talking survival of the fittest.

The human brain is the greatest survival tool in the natural world, as it allows us to overcome physical limitations avd facilitates concious sentient thought - and that is why we are top of the food chain and the pinnacle of Earth's evolutionary life at the moment.

The fine line between genius and lunacy is documented to be very fine indeed. Most of the world's greatest brains throughout history have included some sort of abnormality, whether it be a social behavior or learning disability or a motor skill disfunction or terminal abnormal deterioration and this doesn't appear to a coincidence, and it has nothing to do with the societal bend of the culture one finds themselves in.

Both of the comments are stupid.

To the original comment - Social democracy has nothing to do with people complaining or their sense of entitlement. Exponential increases in the channels with which they can complain, such as the advent of the internet, social media, the evolution of reality and viral "news" outlets, etc. combined with the general degeneration of human society's attention span that has reduced the relevance of any piece of information that takes longer tham 15 seconds to digest to nothing - have created an atmosphere where this type of thing is not only accepted, it is encouraged by the monetisation of page views, clicks, exposures, and unique visitors, etc.

The rebuttal is equally silly as it does nothing to refute the original claim, but tries to argue that because some great smart people were sick, that socialism is not to blame? Who took care of all of those people? Hmmm...not citizens tax dollars funneled through social welfare programs, I can guarantee you that!

Let's take a step back and assume that these people have legitimate concerns. It isn't their fault and who are any of us to go and ricidule them? On the other hand, read Apple's terms of use, that you all accept and approve when you set up that iDevice for the first time. They won't get sued for any of this, because everyone has signed away almost all their rights to do so as a direct result of using the hardware or software. In addition, any possible damages would be insignificant, and the tiny minority that actually have legitimate claims would probably not constitute a large enough group to pursue a class action because there would not be enough monetary damages to get a proper law firm involved on their behalf (and we're not talking about dumping waste in a river and killing people here are we?).

If there is enough hype created, Apple will probably release an update that allows for the disabling of the transitions as well as the parallax.

I have nothing against the people complaining - but on the one side, nobody is forcing you to us iOS 7 in the first place. If it is causing you problems, and Apple won't help you, and you don't want to go back to iOS 6.1.4 or .3 on the iPad, then Android and Windows are both perfectly viable alternatives, and you can have FaceBook, Skype, PayPal, Google+, DropBox, and even Angry Birds on all 3 platforms!

Apple's loss is their gain? I've heard that a Roku 3 with a new Nexus 4, new Nexus 10, and a Chromebook with a good Linux distro installed and a NAS is a pretty sweet setup, and can rival an iPhone/iPad/AppleTV/Macbook Air setup once everything is configured properly.
 
It may be how slow and smooth the animations are that's causing people's perception to interpret it as actual movement.

I do find the animations to be very slow sometimes, like the unlock animation. I mean you can't even interact with the phone until the animation has finished! Why? It's like the animation for switching between Desktops in Mountain Lion: not only is it damn slow, it also forces you to wait for it to completely finish before you can start doing anything.
 
Why buy it?

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. No one has ever been forced to buy an iPhone. Why buy it and then complain? If it makes you sick, why buy it? No one forced them to. Test it - especially if you are prone to sickness. People need to grow up. Or die. I have no problem saying that some people don't deserver the precious gift of life that they are given!
 
And what do you have to say about someone who posts blatant fabrications like this, which I got from the Apple forum:



With every new Apple product, there is always something like this, and it's not always so easy to distinguish cranks and liars from people who may have a legitimate problem. The smarter anti-Apple shills don't try to embellish their stories with tales of the surveys they conducted, nor do they attempt to portray iOS 7 as unlike anything they've ever experienced in their lives, causing problems they've never had, nor do they make claims that this is a dealbreaker that will make them move to Android.

Curious as to what proof you have, besides your own overinflated opinion, that this is a "blatant fabrication". You haven't experienced the effect, so you simply assume that everyone who has is simply lying about it? That's very mature. Oh, wait, no. It's very immature, actually.

Failure to constantly sing Apple's praises makes one an anti-Apple shill, apparently. News to me.
 
Absolutely crazy, funny though. I agree with others, this story shouldn't even be on here. Macrumors credibility is getting lower by the day and decent stories are getting slow to appear.
 
Also interesting to note that almost all of these people lived in non socialist democratic cultures, but rather more conservative, small government, and/or oligarcy/monarchy/despotic cultures. Only after WWII did the modern Western European social democratic model start to really take shape. So what's your point? Some of the great minds in human history were not 100% healthy people?

Dislexia and learning disabilities are hardly life threatening conditions if we are talking survival of the fittest.

The human brain is the greatest survival tool in the natural world, as it allows us to overcome physical limitations avd facilitates concious sentient thought - and that is why we are top of the food chain and the pinnacle of Earth's evolutionary life at the moment.

The fine line between genius and lunacy is documented to be very fine indeed. Most of the world's greatest brains throughout history have included some sort of abnormality, whether it be a social behavior or learning disability or a motor skill disfunction or terminal abnormal deterioration and this doesn't appear to a coincidence, and it has nothing to do with the societal bend of the culture one finds themselves in.

Both of the comments are stupid.

To the original comment - Social democracy has nothing to do with people complaining or their sense of entitlement. Exponential increases in the channels with which they can complain, such as the advent of the internet, social media, the evolution of reality and viral "news" outlets, etc. combined with the general degeneration of human society's attention span that has reduced the relevance of any piece of information that takes longer tham 15 seconds to digest to nothing - have created an atmosphere where this type of thing is not only accepted, it is encouraged by the monetisation of page views, clicks, exposures, and unique visitors, etc.

The rebuttal is equally silly as it does nothing to refute the original claim, but tries to argue that because some great smart people were sick, that socialism is not to blame? Who took care of all of those people? Hmmm...not citizens tax dollars funneled through social welfare programs, I can guarantee you that!

Let's take a step back and assume that these people have legitimate concerns. It isn't their fault and who are any of us to go and ricidule them? On the other hand, read Apple's terms of use, that you all accept and approve when you set up that iDevice for the first time. They won't get sued for any of this, because everyone has signed away almost all their rights to do so as a direct result of using the hardware or software. In addition, any possible damages would be insignificant, and the tiny minority that actually have legitimate claims would probably not constitute a large enough group to pursue a class action because there would not be enough monetary damages to get a proper law firm involved on their behalf (and we're not talking about dumping waste in a river and killing people here are we?).

If there is enough hype created, Apple will probably release an update that allows for the disabling of the transitions as well as the parallax.

I have nothing against the people complaining - but on the one side, nobody is forcing you to us iOS 7 in the first place. If it is causing you problems, and Apple won't help you, and you don't want to go back to iOS 6.1.4 or .3 on the iPad, then Android and Windows are both perfectly viable alternatives, and you can have FaceBook, Skype, PayPal, Google+, DropBox, and even Angry Birds on all 3 platforms!

Apple's loss is their gain? I've heard that a Roku 3 with a new Nexus 4, new Nexus 10, and a Chromebook with a good Linux distro installed and a NAS is a pretty sweet setup, and can rival an iPhone/iPad/AppleTV/Macbook Air setup once everything is configured properly.

You just made your point... They didn't sit around and complain about it. They Dealt with it and Moved on. Unlike these people. I for one am tired of every single minor 1% bitching so loud they have to change the experience for the rest of us. We are all that 1% sometimes. Difference is we don't all use it as a damn crutch and blow it out of proportion. Neither did that list of people..
 
Yes, this is definitely real. It's slight for me though, and sometimes I feel it, sometimes I don't.

In particular, I find the constant zooming in and out of a folder animations motion-sickness inducing. The parallax effect with the home screen and popup messages don't bother me at all though.

What's funny is I'm also a core gamer and play a lot of fast paced 3D shooter games. :eek:

I get a bit dizzy playing some FPS games. Depends on a variety of factors, including the screen. The first time I played Portal, I got kinda floaty-headed. It was not pleasant. And it did not occur immediately. Some animations bother people more than others. It's hard to predict.

I suspect the people who are bothered by this are a very small minority, but it is something Apple should adjust for by working out an option to allow users to switch off the animations. I'm sure they'll address it.

The animations don't bother me at all.

That said? Rapidly flashing LED lights make me NAUSEOUS. Curse the ******* who invented that.
 
Childish much?

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. No one has ever been forced to buy an iPhone. Why buy it and then complain? If it makes you sick, why buy it? No one forced them to. Test it - especially if you are prone to sickness. People need to grow up. Or die. I have no problem saying that some people don't deserver the precious gift of life that they are given!

A number of individuals seem to have gone half brain dead on this forum today. An extremely simple math equation should tell you that there are by this time more than 200 million iOS devices that are NOT NEW devices. They are OLD devices that people were pretty happy with until they were upgraded to iOS 7. They cannot be returned for a refund, and have been irreversibly upgraded from iOS 5 or 6 to iOS 7. Irreversibly, because Apple has closed the "downgrade window" that during the beta period allowed devices to be restored to iOS 6. So there is no way to "test" iOS 7 on your device, and at least 90% of the devices that are not running iOS 7 cannot be returned. This is largely NOT about people buying brand new iOS devices.

Grow up or die? Really? Are you a 5-year-old? You're telling people to kill themselves over a phone? The mind boggles.

If even 1% of the users of iOS devices are affected by this motion sickness issue we are talking about potentially several million people. You should really take a long look in the mirror and examine what kind of person is willing to tell millions of people to kill themselves just because they are having a bad experience using the same phone you are apparently irrevocably in love with.
 
Great, except what about those people who didn't buy new iPhones, but just upgrade to iOS 7 on their existing phones? Do you have a solution for them?

I can only assume that most of these people are somewhat susceptible to other motion issues. If that's the case, then rather than simply jumping on the bandwagon at first opportunity, wait and see what arises before upgrading. I don't recall seeing the Ghost of Apple Present dragging its chains across my bedroom floor in an effort to force me to upgrade to iOS 7 the first hours that it was released.

There was plenty of info about the new OS before it was released.

Besides, I think this is by percentage such an infinitesimally small number of people that we're really much ado about nothing. This has been the fastest adoption of a new mobile OS in history. Are we honestly surprised that a handful of people are going to complain just like they did about the iPad giving them headaches and keeping them awake (remember those over the last couple of years?)?

Not that I don't have some empathy for the folks about their experience. What I do NOT empathize with is the expectation that every time a small group of people have a problem with something, then it is incumbent upon Apple (or whatever company/group we're dealing with) to somehow come and fix something for a tiny minority of people. Our society has truly been plagued by the 'tyranny of the minority' in the last 20 years, where everyone has to stop and bow down to the 'offense' of one person or one small group.
 
Curious as to what proof you have, besides your own overinflated opinion, that this is a "blatant fabrication". You haven't experienced the effect, so you simply assume that everyone who has is simply lying about it? That's very mature. Oh, wait, no. It's very immature, actually.

LOL. You quoted the three reasons I gave why I don't believe the story I posted, and you're ignoring them and demanding "proof", which obviously is not available. If you are so credulous as to take the story at face value, I expect you get taken advantage of a lot in life, or you're an anti-Apple shill trying to defend another. I also described how the smarter anti-Apple shills spread rumors. They report them simply without all the ridiculous embellishments.

Failure to constantly sing Apple's praises makes one an anti-Apple shill, apparently. News to me.

That doesn't follow at all from what I said. Your reply consists of ignoring what I said to make an unfulfillable demand, putting words I didn't say in my mouth, and calling me "immature".
 
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