iOS 8.1 Brings iCloud Photo Library to All Users, With Images Accessible on iOS Devices, iCloud.com

[deviant]

Yes, that seems to be the case - once opened, the photo seems to stay at full res, assuming that's optimised res and not the full, original res of the photograph. Not sure about space saving as I installed 8.1 immediately before activating iCloud Photo Library and didn't check before/after storage. Optimised quality, if that's what I'm seeing, looks OK.

You can send the same photo full res on your iPad and try zooming in, you will notice 8.1 freed 2gbs on my air too, awesome
Anyway, my 1444 photos took something like 3-4 hours to fully upload and load the full res on iPhone .. I think yours will be ok and you won't need to open each one to trigger it to load

 

[profets]

Right, but that defeats the whole purpose. The whole point is to have smaller versions on your phone and full res versions on iCloud that you can then access at a later time if you want the full res image.

Of course, but it's still in beta and we don't have a Mac Photos app yet. Still a lot of unknown in that regard. Right now iCloud.com Photos I would treat solely as a way to view what's in the library.

 

[Tomapple]

That simply isn't the case. Older photos will be removed from your phone to free up space as required. I'm not sure why you are clinging to ignorance rather than listening to how it actually works.

Really? If that is so, then it's great! But, how do you know that exactly? I have searched for info about this and have found nothing. Can you post your source please?

All I know is that I have 1,1GB of space used by the iCloud Photo Library, which is a lot, given that I have a 16GB iPhone and only 1,7GB free.

So, if I want to download for example 2GB of music from say Spotify or iTunes Match, you say that iOS will free up the amount of space needed automatically by deleting backed up photos that are still stored locally?

 

[RTF]

This can't be the final solution?

What happens when iPhoto for Mac is being replaced with a Photo's app for Mac OSX?

I have an iPhoto library with something like 18.000 photo's.

My thought of iCloud Photo library was that my photo's are not on my iPhone anymore, but in iCloud. Or at lease there is sort of a backup made in iCloud (like the way we're able to do with Dropbox/Onedrive/Synology). So when that funny video of your cat is deleted on your iPhone to clean up some space, it is still available on iCloud. It should be an option toggle 'delete file from iCloud immediately'. But from what I read, the video is deleted everywhere once you delete it on your iPhone? (I know it's in the garbage bin for 30 days...but still).

What about my 18.000 Photo's? I was under the assumption that I can select a few albums to show on iCloud, so these are available to see on my iDevice anywhere in the world.

Then another thing:
2 iDevices:
iPhone 6 64GB & iPad 4 64GB
At both devices I toggled iCloud Photo Library &Photostream on and selected 'download and save originals'
other 2 devices from my wife:
iPad mini 16GB & iPhone 5S, toggles iCloude Photo Library on, Photostream off.
optimized quality for these devices to save space.

iPhone 6 - 10,2GB Photo's (were 0 photo's taken with my iPhone, few days old)
iPhone 5S - 3,2GB Photo's (a lot of photo's taken with this iPhone)
iPad 4 - 1,4 GB Photo's
iPad mini - 1,2GB Photo's

When all photo's are directly available on all devices, either in full or in optimized quality, then there should be 2 sizes of Photo libraries not?
1 library of probably 10,4GB on my iPhone6 & iPad 4 full resolution photo's
1 library of probably 1,4GB on the iPhone 5S and iPadmini with optimizes photo's

Well...it's still beta...Lots of improvement possibilities...

 

[RicD]

obnoxious. We all know what he meant.

In writing thinking we know what someone means is an assumption not based on fact of that which is written. That is why written communication becomes misconstrued; we think we know what someone means and what they intended to convey.

Truly my comment was not obnoxious, it was made respectfully offering assistance. Many folks spell lose phonetically, they honestly do not know it contains one letter o, and nobody ever corrected them. Same as many folks do not know the difference between a lectern and podium, envy and jealousy, eager and anxious; those examples are often misused in spoken conversation and in writing. Yes of those six examples there is a difference and it does matter.

You should read the business letters that arrive, from collage graduates job résumé with many spelling and grammar errors, news paper and magazine articles with misused words, and the like.

One can gracefully accept helpful criticism, or accept personal mediocrity.

Cordially and respectfully submitted.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Let's hope Apple does not decide to buy dropbox and try to "icloudify" them. They have truly made the "cloud"services area really really confusing. It should be much simplier and much less confusing than it is currently. Have used dropbox for years now, it works, it works well, and I don't get confused and stumped about what it's doing with my documents.

apple already tried to buy dropbox years ago, under Jobs. he famously told them their server "was a feature, not a product". they wouldnt sell, so apple built its own.

not sure what could be confusing about iCloud Drive. it works just like dropbox.

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Exactly my thoughts. It seems like the total opposite! Now you need a 64GB+ iPhone besides your 64GB+ iPad to be able to use iCloud Photo Library and upload ALL your photos.

There should be an option to not download photos locally, just upload new ones. And be able to see your photos in iCloud when your are connected to Internet.

Sometimes I hate apple.

before you hate something, you should really learn how it works.

if you go into your device settings youll find the option to have it download a smaller version of the source files. crazy.

 

[Tech198]

oh joy... photos

 

[JamesDibben]

I've only had a mac computer for a little over a month now. I've had an iPhone for years and my iPad Air was my first tablet.

I added 7,000 photos to iPhoto last night. I was really hoping they would be put into my iCloud photo library so I could view all of them on my iPhone and iPad. I even upgraded my iCloud space to accommodate all the files.

I'm a little disappointed that this isn't working. Do you think it will get fixed with the new photo app?

 

[sterow]

In writing thinking we know what someone means is an assumption not based on fact of that which is written. That is why written communication becomes misconstrued; we think we know what someone means and what they intended to convey...

You should read the business letters that arrive, from collage graduates job résumé with many spelling and grammar errors, news paper and magazine articles with misused words, and the like.

One can gracefully accept helpful criticism, or accept personal mediocrity.

Cordially and respectfully submitted.

The only issue with this is this game goes on. There really needs to be a comma after your first two words, for example. You've spelt college incorrectly, newspaper is conventionally a single word, and there's a missing apostrophe in "graduates."

See, it is a little obnoxious.

 

[shadowarachh]

anyone else have their bluetooth connection to their radio broken after updating to 8.1? was fine the day before and now when i try to pair its acting up and disconnecting. even removed all devices from the phone and the vehicle.

 

[sterow]

It looks like iCloud Photo Library isn't actually storing your original resolution images and videos.

After the images have been synced, when I go to iCloud and download one of the synced photos the resolution is 1536x2048, not the original 2448x3264.

I've opened a case for this and it's been escalated to developers so hopefully this will be addressed soon.

Others are reporting the same issue on the Apple Forums.

This (and the subsequent replies from profets) is to me the most important issue here.

The current icloud web service gives users a good reason to fear that data is being lost, as the download button that you expect to give access to the full-res version gives a reduced size version. This is especially scary as there is the prospect of the original being deleted off the phone (if that setting is selected) and the optimised version replacing it in all locations. While profets was assuring 1957GoldTop that wasn't happening, I understand the anxiety as that web interface should give transparent access to the original files. (As should the finder icloud folder, FWIW).

However, I am reasonably confident this is indeed just poor design in the web interface and the original are indeed getting uploaded. In addition to offloading from an IoS device as profets suggested, the other way to confirm is to turn on the icloud access in aperture and then copy them into your library. I did that, and then files were full size.

Hopefully with the Mac client in place next year this will all be a little more transparent. I think Apple create a lot of needless anxiety by hiding things from users. If the files were visible in the finder a lot of the issues in this thread would be defused.

 

[Crotonmark]

Rather than hating Apple maybe you should educate yourself. When you use iCloud Photos there is no space taken up on your device for photos whatsoever. Rather, spare space is used to cache photos as available, be it as full resolution or device optimized. As you fill up your device with other content less and less photos are cached, but that makes no difference as long as you have a fast connection when you open your library ALL photos will still be there via web download. This is the same was iTunes Match works.

To say this again, any device can access ALL your photos regardless of local storage limitations.

It's great but I wish I could get my iphoto library up to the cloud.
I also wish I could use photostream and icloud library; not just either or.

Mark

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I'm with ya. I appreciate the cloud, but there seems to be more unintentional deletions/duplications when using the cloud.

Don't you maintain time machine backups?

 

[proline]

Really? If that is so, then it's great! But, how do you know that exactly? I have searched for info about this and have found nothing. Can you post your source please?

All I know is that I have 1,1GB of space used by the iCloud Photo Library, which is a lot, given that I have a 16GB iPhone and only 1,7GB free.

So, if I want to download for example 2GB of music from say Spotify or iTunes Match, you say that iOS will free up the amount of space needed automatically by deleting backed up photos that are still stored locally?

Why don't you try it yourself. This is the way ALL properly coded iCloud apps have worked since iCloud started years ago. Cache locally if space available, system frees up space as required. Why do yo find this so hard to understand??

Try this on your device- turn off iCloud photo library. Poof! All your space is available. Then turn it back on- all your photos are back (downloading as needed).

You don't have the level of understanding to be mucking around in the usage section of the settings app, so do yourself a favor and stop until you know how it works.

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It's great but I wish I could get my iphoto library up to the cloud.
I also wish I could use photostream and icloud library; not just either or.

You can put all your photos on the cloud, as soon as the Mac Photos app is ready. As for photo stream, it is redundant as it does the same thing as iCloud photo library just for a shorter time.

 

[Crotonmark]

am I wrong that there is no way to get photos from iphoto to the icloud library NOW?
If the answer is that the beta is only syncing from iOS devices until,photos is released then we need photostream to get mad pictures to the other devices.

 

[jdag]

Let's hope that Apple has plans to really improve this service.

1) People on this board are generally power users (especially compared to those friends and family members we all likely support). And this is confusing to say the least.

2) The photos are "linked" between your iPhone and iCloud and are dependent upon one another. Delete a photo from the phone, it deletes from iCloud. Go to iCloud.com and delete a photo, it deletes off of your device(s). While this might seem like a "duh" comment that everyone already knows, it certainly will lead to lost photos that were accidentally deleted, never to be found again.

3) And based on #2 above, the "keep all of your photos forever" promise is impossible. Even if you enable the "optimized" option on the iPhone/iPad, you eventually will run out of storage space on your device because of photos, apps, music, videos, email, whatever. Therefore, once you prune your iPhone, you are pruning your iCloud copies as well.

4) I am not sure if this is related to the service being a beta, but I took a couple of test photos that were the full 2448×3264 pixels (8MP). Once they synced to iCloud, I downloaded them to check the resolution, and they were 1536×2048 (3.1MP).

 

[proline]

Why do people insist on promoting ignorance instead of doing research?

Let's hope that Apple has plans to really improve this service.

1) People on this board are generally power users (especially compared to those friends and family members we all likely support). And this is confusing to say the least.

No it isn't. Only to you.

2) The photos are "linked" between your iPhone and iCloud and are dependent upon one another. Delete a photo from the phone, it deletes from iCloud. Go to iCloud.com and delete a photo, it deletes off of your device(s). While this might seem like a "duh" comment that everyone already knows, it certainly will lead to lost photos that were accidentally deleted, never to be found again.

It clearly warns you. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO WANT TO DELETE FROM 1 DEVICE ONLY. Please reread that three times.

3) And based on #2 above, the "keep all of your photos forever" promise is impossible. Even if you enable the "optimized" option on the iPhone/iPad, you eventually will run out of storage space on your device because of photos, apps, music, videos, email, whatever. Therefore, once you prune your iPhone, you are pruning your iCloud copies as well.

YOU WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF SPACE. If you do, it AUTOMATICALLY gets rid of some photos from the device. This is SEAMLESS to the user as they are re-downloaded when the user goes to view them. iCloud has been able to do the FOR YEARS.

4) I am not sure if this is related to the service being a beta, but I took a couple of test photos that were the full 2448×3264 pixels (8MP). Once they synced to iCloud, I downloaded them to check the resolution, and they were 1536×2048 (3.1MP).

Wow. Optimize for device does what it claims. OMG!!!!

To sum up, photos will now work exactly the same way Pages, Numbers, Keynote, etc. already work. Do you have trouble using those apps? Are they too 'confusing' for you? Do you go around deleting crap from those apps 'to free up space'?

 

[Crotonmark]

Proline
Thanks for all the replies
Anyway to get pictures from Mac to the cloud now?
I use iphoto as my photo home from my DSLR. NOW I view these via photostream. If I turn on iCloud Photo Library I lose the use of photostream on my i devices.

 

[nostaws]

deleted - sterow took care of it

 

[proline]

Proline
Thanks for all the replies
Anyway to get pictures from Mac to the cloud now?
I use iphoto as my photo home from my DSLR. NOW I view these via photostream. If I turn on iCloud Photo Library I lose the use of photostream on my i devices.

That's correct. You need to WAIT a couple months until the Mac Photos app is READY. DO NOT turn on Photo Library if this is a problem for you. Until then you are free to keep using photo stream as you always have.

Considering the mess photos has been for 10 years you can RELAX for another 3 months.

 

[Crotonmark]

That's correct. You need to WAIT a couple months until the Mac Photos app is READY. DO NOT turn on Photo Library if this is a problem for you. Until then you are free to keep using photo stream as you always have.

Considering the mess photos has been for 10 years you can RELAX for another 3 months.

Thanks Pro
I knew that was the answer but a guy can hope
I am really looking forward for the new photos app.
Hope springs eternal!

I take many more photos via DSLR that iphone.

 

[jdag]

Why do people insist on promoting ignorance instead of doing research?


No it isn't. Only to you.


It clearly warns you. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO WANT TO DELETE FROM 1 DEVICE ONLY. Please reread that three times.


YOU WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF SPACE. If you do, it AUTOMATICALLY gets rid of some photos from the device. This is SEAMLESS to the user as they are re-downloaded when the user goes to view them. iCloud has been able to do the FOR YEARS.


Wow. Optimize for device does what it claims. OMG!!!!

To sum up, photos will now work exactly the same way Pages, Numbers, Keynote, etc. already work. Do you have trouble using those apps? Are they too 'confusing' for you? Do you go around deleting crap from those apps 'to free up space'?

I will respectfully disagree with everything you said.

1) This thread is at 170 posts currently, with various accounts of how these services work (or don't work). It is not only me, and it is presumptuous of you to read a single post and assume I am ignorant in any manner.

2) There may not be any reason for YOU to want to delete a photo from 1 device. There may be reason for ME to want to delete from 1 device. And to be honest, that was not my point anyhow. My point was that while I know that and YOU know that deleting a photo in your iPhone will delete it in iCloud and on your iPad, the average person may not remember that message that popped up that 1 time 6 months earlier. Go back to my comment about supporting people. These questions/problems DO come up often with average users (people on this board are not average users).

3) While I am not 100% on this next comment as I am not sure how Apple will prune out cloud space, I believe you are incorrect. Most people, and when I say most I bet upwards of 95% or more, will not be paying for extra iCloud storage. Therefore you eventually will run out of space on iCloud. And quickly.

4) Here you are completely incorrect. And I urge you to try it for yourself before calling me ignorant or trying to highlight your response in all caps. I also urge you to research yourself as you will find other postings on other sites about this. If you take a photo on your phone (mine is an iPhone 5), it is 8MP. If you look at the EXIF data for that photo it is 8MP. If you then download that photo off of iCloud and look at the EXIF data is is ~3.1MP.

I am not ignorant. I am not mistaken.

 

[sterow]

Why do people insist on promoting ignorance instead of doing research?


No it isn't. Only to you.


It clearly warns you. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO WANT TO DELETE FROM 1 DEVICE ONLY. Please reread that three times.


YOU WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF SPACE. If you do, it AUTOMATICALLY gets rid of some photos from the device. This is SEAMLESS to the user as they are re-downloaded when the user goes to view them. iCloud has been able to do the FOR YEARS.


Wow. Optimize for device does what it claims. OMG!!!!

To sum up, photos will now work exactly the same way Pages, Numbers, Keynote, etc. already work. Do you have trouble using those apps? Are they too 'confusing' for you? Do you go around deleting crap from those apps 'to free up space'?

I think this is really unfair. I'm no dummy, and neither are many of the others on here. It is genuinely confusing. And plenty of smart people have struggled with these services before and have encountered weird, unpredictable behaviour. iTunes Match, for example, is essentially analogous and is notorious for doing all sorts of strange things to metadata.

On this particular example, I think the web-client's current setup of not allowing full scale downloads (which I think is just a mistake, and presumably will be fixed) gives people a very strong impression the cloud copies are being downscaled. People who want to "test" the size of the cloud copy and do so in such a manner are not being stupid. They are following a logical deductive process and drawing a reasonable conclusion. As I posted a few posts ago, the full scale versions do seem to be there, but Apple have done a very good job of making it appear as if they are not.

 

[sterow]

4) Here you are completely incorrect. And I urge you to try it for yourself before calling me ignorant or trying to highlight your response in all caps. I also urge you to research yourself as you will find other postings on other sites about this. If you take a photo on your phone (mine is an iPhone 5), it is 8MP. If you look at the EXIF data for that photo it is 8MP. If you then download that photo off of iCloud and look at the EXIF data is is ~3.1MP.

I am not ignorant. I am not mistaken.

Hi jdag, hopefully you've seen my couple of posts on this point. I think this is a quirk (to put it mildly) in that web interface. They do seem to be there, but it just doesn't deliver them back to you through that interface as it should.

 

[jdag]

Hi jdag, hopefully you've seen my couple of posts on this point. I think this is a quirk (to put it mildly) in that web interface. They do seem to be there, but it just doesn't deliver them back to you through that interface as it should.

Yes I did see your posts, thanks. In fact, my initial comment was this:

"4) I am not sure if this is related to the service being a beta, but I took a couple of test photos that were the full 2448×3264 pixels (8MP). Once they synced to iCloud, I downloaded them to check the resolution, and they were 1536×2048 (3.1MP)."

I believe my comment was clear and accurate. However, Proline decided to shoot it down as ignorant.

 

[sterow]

Yes I did see your posts, thanks. In fact, my initial comment was this:

"4) I am not sure if this is related to the service being a beta, but I took a couple of test photos that were the full 2448×3264 pixels (8MP). Once they synced to iCloud, I downloaded them to check the resolution, and they were 1536×2048 (3.1MP)."

I believe my comment was clear and accurate. However, Proline decided to shoot it down as ignorant.

Yes, I was supporting you! What you say is quite correct. It's very poor design and as I said is leading to a reasonable fear the photos are being shrunk on the cloud.