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People who claim that everyone should update to the latest thing now f all about being a developer.

If any of those on here who claim to be "Developers" had any formal training they would know you develop for 2 generations old.

What a ridiculous blanket statement. If you have an app idea that requires our would only have a great user experience using iOS 8 features, then you would develop for 8.

If you can provide a great user experience supporting older platforms you will make a judgement based on the overhead of legacy support.
 
Is this the beginning of iOS fragmentation?

It's already fragmented, just far less so. iOS 7 or 8, an A5, A5X, A6, A6X, A7, A8 or A8X chip, and 1136x640, 1334x750, 1920x1080, 1024x768, 2048x1536 resolution.

Imagian how many you'd have to list for Android. Far too many to list in a comment. Also, it's not a mix and match of all of these. If your reaolution is 1334x750 it's an iPhone 6 so you can guarantee its an A8 processor and iOS 8.
 
I didn't upgrade any of my devices to 8 and I have more than enough space for the install.

So what. You're a meaningless data point. Apple has hundreds of millions of iOS devices. If everyone on this forum who didn't upgrade made the same claim, it would still be insignificant.

Number f'wad mac nerds/normal people = 0

I've had to help people with 16GB phones upgrade to ios 8. Apple has created a bit of a legacy problem with these 16GB devices.
 
Just wait til another security hole is found in iOS7 and Apple makes a fix that requires update to iOS8.
 
The only thing IOS 8 done for me was make me get an iPhone 6 to get some usability back. My 4S was a joy to use under IOS 6, on IOS 7 there was a jitter or two but nothing dramatic. IOS 8 made it annoyingly unusable for my liking. So everyone celebrating how great it is that Apple give us all the latest OS... fine and dandy of you have the latest phone, sucks otherwise. These are the same people that laugh at Android users who are on a older version of Android... If they were on a later version of Android their phone would probably suck as much as my 4S did on IOS 8. If they would let you downgrade again it wouldn't be a problem but they don't.. well not for very long at least. If they gave people a two week window to try the latest IOS it would at least give people a chance to see how good or bad it was before sticking with it. Now cue the folks that say their iPhone 4S ran fine for you and you'd had no issues. Well bully for you but I don't particularly believe you, aside from that it doesn't matter as it sucks for most people. At least I can now enjoy using my iPhone 6 instead, but I'll be hesitant to update it past IOS 10 in the future.
 
That's some pretty awful advice. They can back them up via iPhoto or if they're on Windows they can back them up to Picasa. Or they can back them up to Dropbox or many of the other free services for backing up files online. Or they can back up with iTunes. This is a list of things that iTunes backs up:

• Photos (photos, screenshots, images saved, and videos taken) and Saved Photos (in devices without a camera).
• Contacts* and Contact Favorites. (You should regularly sync your contacts to a computer or cloud service, such as iCloud.)

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• Trusted hosts that have certificates that can't be verified.
• Web clips.
*Your contacts are part of the backup to preserve recent calls and favorites lists. To avoid any potential contact data loss, back up your contacts to a supported personal information manager (PIM) or another cloud-based service (such as Gmail or Microsoft Exchange). You can also make a copy of contacts that are in iCloud. Learn about backups in iCloud.*

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4946

Well done on the ol' Cut&Paste, but since they do not have a computer, there is no iTunes. Did you read what I wrote?

Since they are not a technophile such as yourself, things like Dropbox is a tough sell. "Install dropbox, sign up for an account, select every photo you have, one a time, push them to dropbox, later on, delete them off of your phone because they're probably on dropbox...."

Perhaps future changes to iOS will *automatically* handle the growing number of photos and ship them off to iCloud automatically, similar to how iTunes Match is working right now. But having aging parents who still have things like a landline, to go in and configure Dropbox isn't part of the plan. Apple still sell 16GB models, so this is obviously an inherent and systemic problem, and having the population install Dropbox or some third party thing isn't the answer. At this point, I'm willing to let them all consume their remaining space, and when they get a new device, they'll just get a 64GB model. That is, in my extended family, the easiest solution.
 
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Just wait til another security hole is found in iOS7 and Apple makes a fix that requires update to iOS8.

Too late. Look at the security content of the iOS 8.0 update in Apple's knowledge base, this one is especially nasty:

http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-4377

Random code execution when a malicious HTML file embeds a PDF as an image, and remember that MANY apps on iOS use web views, and often over HTTP.

I wouldn't be surprised if security concerns were the reason for Apple's recent iOS upgrade reminder mail. Then again, Apple can't be too serious about security if they don't release iOS 7.1.3 for the iPhone 4 (which is still at ~10% according to MixPanel, just below iPhone 6 and 6 Plus combined).

If you want to stay on iOS 7, you should probably move everything that's confidential or important to another device...
 
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Why are people so proud of still running old iOS versions on their devices?

Wow, good job not taking advantage of the latest features and having developers not support your devices.
 
As a developer, this is not good when I'm trying to develop for iOS8-only features. People need to move away from iOS 7 quicker.

As an app developer, I always code to the current and the last OS. That usually covers 90%-95% of the market. Anything less is just cutting your throat.
 
Why are people so proud of still running old iOS versions on their devices?



Wow, good job not taking advantage of the latest features and having developers not support your devices.


Some people actually do have legitimate reasons for running older versions, like owners of the iPad 2, iPad 3, and iPhone 4S. Others are just extremely paranoid and don't trust Apple to release solid updates. Which is understandable, but like you said, it's strange how people wear that like a badge of pride.
 
I'm not upgrading my iPad3 to iOS8, my iPad3 is doing fine with iOS7 and I don't need the new features, I'm not willing to turn my current tablet into a laggy device and I don't want Apple to have me buying the new iPad for the sake of it.
 
People who claim that everyone should update to the latest thing now f all about being a developer.

If any of those on here who claim to be "Developers" had any formal training they would know you develop for 2 generations old.
Yeah, we should trust the guy who can't spell 'know'. Apple's apps such as Pages, Numbers, and Keynote require iOS 8. John Gruber's app Vesper requires iOS 8. Guess neither company has 'formal training'. Most other apps required iOS 7. Developing 2 generations behind the times (which covers about 3% of users still on iOS 6) vastly complicates apps leading to bugs and delayed feature introductions.
 
iOS 6 had 60% in one month
iOS 7 had 70% in one month

iOS 8 has less than 60% in almost 2 months.

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Why are people so proud of still running old iOS versions on their devices?

Wow, good job not taking advantage of the latest features and having developers not support your devices.

Because if you run the latest iOS on a minimum requirements device, it will slowdown your device.

For an optimal run:
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A5 and A5X processor iDevices should be kept on iOS 6.1.x.
A6 and A6X processor iDevices should be kept on iOS 7.1.x.
A7, A8 and A8X processor can be upgraded without problems to iOS 8.1
 
No other company has adopted Swift nor have I see an Swift compiler on a non-Apple platform. When more than one compiler house supports Swift, then this language will mature to something worth professional adoption.
Wow. I really hope you aren't a developer because you're pretty out of it if you expect to see other 'compiler houses' supporting Swift. Since you seem to have forgotten, swift is the native programming of iOS, far and away the most profitable mobile platform to develop for. That alone makes it "worth professional adoption" and guarantees its success. Swift apps will pull ahead of non-swift ones just as new swift only APIs come out from iOS 9 onwards, just as it was always is easy to tell who wasn't coding in Objective C. Market realities and competition will demand that successful developers switch to swift.
 
wow, 40% are waiting for a stable jailbreak? i think its pretty solid, they should go ahead and update/jailbreak, most tweaks are being updated everyday.
 
iOS devices visiting the App Store doesn't say much for total user base. How many of you with older iOS devices even use the App store anymore? I don't. There aren't any new apps coming out that work with iOS 4 for my old 2nd gen Touch and with the release of 8, even iOS 6 doesn't see many app updates anymore. I think a big reason 60% of App Store visitors are on iOS 7 & 8 is because they're they one ones that have new Apps to look for. :rolleyes:
 
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