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My iPhone 5 and 5s both seem to do better in both of these areas. Go figure.
 
I don't think you get it. This isn't news because every dot-0 release has these same complaints and there is always a .01 to solve it. The battery issues are typically the app updates coming fast and furious and chewing through your battery while the Wifi issues are invariably incompatibility with routers untested by Apple (same thing with every new HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Sony device with regards to Wifi)

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Your one device had a faulty wifi antenna or chip and Apple's quality is suffering. Got it. Can you do me a favor and monitor the tech forums across the web whenever a new device is released? It's the same story every time: "wifi issues, but a software patch is coming".

There are a plethora of routers out there and they all do things a bit differently in how they implement the "standard". Invariably the device makers do not anticipate every single router. Such is life. But you thinking your one unit is indicative of a trend is the very definition of anecdotal evidence.


Yes. Something was faulty on the first iPad mini I bought. The One to One trainer who interjected herself into an issue that was not her area tried to use that defective device to hard sell an AE I didn't need or want. I knew the AE was not the problem. Ethics at the Apple store have degraded with the products.

This happened in the 14 day return window. I returned the "defective" iPad mini and bought one that is not quite as bad but not right.

The iPad mini has a short range and drops the signal several times a day. This happens at home as well as on other networks. I'm the person walking around trying to find the area closer to the router when I am not home.

Here at the house when the iPad mini drops the signal I know I have to walk to within 25 feet line of site to connect again. Delightful device!

Apple's quality is not as good as it was.
 
Your argument has more merit in the Windows/Android world, since there is one core OS, a zillion different devices that attach to it, and even more combinations.

Well, yeah, that's why I left the Windows world many years ago. Android never charmed me enough to give it a serious try.

The conditions for an iPhone are very controlled as far as manufacturing specifications. There are exactly 6 different hardware/software combinations of iPhone 6's, 3 different configurations of 5S, 3 of iPhone 5, and in the iPhone 4 world, it gets a little sketchier, as there are GSM/CDMA versions of those.

Few devices to choose from, that's Apple's philosophy for the past decade or so. Still millions of them out there, with zillions of different combinations of settings and operating conditions. I don't have any serious issues with my phone, but others do as it seems.

I see this as more of a failure (anything that is not class 3 or higher bug) of the beta testing process, where you have to pay to be a beta tester (developer), rather than a somewhat open beta, where data is collected on your device.

An open beta would be nice, I agree, like they did with Yosemite. Even though it would not reach the adoption rate that the final release has, as it's not everyone's cup of tea to be a beta tester. It could have helped with lots of bugs though.
 
My issue with iOS 8 is with me. Its a learning curve to utilize many of its benefits. I haven't had the time yet to learn how utilize many of the new features, but most look worthwhile.

Also, many of the benefits won't come until Yosemite rolls out and our favorite apps exploit its new features.
 
"Apple" and "Software QA" doesn't go well together.

You are either being facetious, or just generally talking nonsense; I'll assume the latter, as noone can accuse Apple of poor software quality, unless you have a grudge with Apple, in which case I feel sorry for you, as there aren't any better than Apple for polishing the user experience.

Perhaps - some might say - you are "trolling" - who knows, but what I see is utterly ridiculous, simplistic commenting, so have a nice day and this isn't personal, I just want you to know that :)
 
You are either being facetious, or just generally talking nonsense; I'll assume the latter, as noone can accuse Apple of poor software quality, unless you have a grudge with Apple, in which case I feel sorry for you, as there aren't any better than Apple for polishing the user experience.

Perhaps - some might say - you are "trolling" - who knows, but what I see is utterly ridiculous, simplistic commenting, so have a nice day and this isn't personal, I just want you to know that :)

What I said is my own opinion based on my experiences in using an iPhone and an MBP for the past few years. I see quite a lot of issues in software recently produced by Apple and I believe that the quality of the software is below the average.
 
Beta !! its a full release. A half baked though.. typical..

Right... Like Android... Which always takes things "seriously" yes have several security bugs only found years later and no way to update the phones too... So, much better.

Considering lot of the drain is due to:

- Interactions with third party apps that have not been updated
- Interactions with third party routers and their specific configurations

What would be your plan to fix this?

- If apple deactivate all the apps, people will complain when they get their phone and everyone will need to reactivate them even though most would have no issue at all.

Third party develloppers like Facebook are the ones doing a betas test on this yet somehow they don't have an app available on day 1... On this issue, these app develloppers ARE to blame.

- The second issue has no real solution, they cannot have a copy of every type of routers, how they'Re configured and their condition of use; that's million of different test cases.


BTW, If they had an open Beta, many people who should not get it would and you'd get a ton of complaints about that too and still not be able to Test all WIFI variants. Also, it wouldn't change anything about application compatibility since applications develloppers are ALREADY doing the closed beta and not updating their apps promptly.
 
Right... Like Android... Which always takes things "seriously" yes have several security bugs only found years later and no way to update the phones too... So, much better.

Considering lot of the drain is due to:

- Interactions with third party apps that have not been updated
- Interactions with third party routers and their specific configurations

What would be your plan to fix this?

- If apple deactivate all the apps, people will complain when they get their phone and everyone will need to reactivate them even though most would have no issue at all.

Third party develloppers like Facebook are the ones doing a betas test on this yet somehow they don't have an app available on day 1... On this issue, these app develloppers ARE to blame.

- The second issue has no real solution, they cannot have a copy of every type of routers, how they'Re configured and their condition of use; that's million of different test cases.


BTW, If they had an open Beta, many people who should not get it would and you'd get a ton of complaints about that too and still not be able to Test all WIFI variants. Also, it wouldn't change anything about application compatibility since applications develloppers are ALREADY doing the closed beta and not updating their apps promptly.

Don't pick on poor Google - they're just coming to terms with visual style, with their... ohhh, whadda they call it? *scratches head*... the thingymajig which makes their OS look like it has floating layers of paper, of which a GREAT BIG GIANT DEAL was made, at their recent event... :D

How many times do you hear Apple shouting and boasting for an hour, about drop shadows and smooth transtition animations, and how incredible they are to have come up with something so......... obvious? Never, because good taste means we all KNOW they were clever, and they don't need us back patting them.

Looks pretty nice, Google old boy, but your focus on what needs doing, seems to be all over the shop, as per usual.

Lol... bless ya, Google.
 
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...as there aren't any better than apple for polishing the user experience.


iOS 4 on iPhone 3G was an abomination. iOS 5.0 on the iPad 1 was horrible, but got better on 5.1. iOS 7.0 on iPhone 4 was bad (never had the 4, but it was commonly discussed).

iOS 8.0 is nothing like that though. I have the weakest device that supports it (a 4S) and it is a-ok.
 
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Every year there are those who deny that there are battery issues with a new release of iOS who then disappear and remain silent when Apple releases an update that addresses this supposed non-issue.

I don't deny that there is an issue myself, I deny that all the battery drain problem is caused by IOS, and not a configuration change in IOS that changes its interaction with third party apps.

Third party apps were tested during the beta (we hope). So, these problems are mostly their responsability to fix. So, what resolves the battery issue each year is NOT just the point release. Its also third party app update and configuration changes to IOS.

Last year background refresh and push updates were a big part of what generated the initial complaints (Apple changed the way they were done and develloppers like every year were slow to update their apps); that died down pretty quickly (within 2 weeks).

The second group, a much smaller one, gets the drain because of WIFI issues. This is the one that can be fixed by the IOS update. This can be easily ascertained by those that have it by simply testing their phones a whole day on another router. This one is mostly fixed by the first point update, but some people have very particular hard to crack problems here that may not be fixed until a second point release. For an extremely small number of people, their router is simply rogue ;-), off spec, and Apple probably doesn't want to be compatible with them. In those cases, changing the router is the solution.
 
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Guarantee almost everyone with battery and other problems has restored from a backup. Fresh install, every time I get a new phone. Set up as new iPhone... iCloud brings all your bookmarks contacts calendars, etc, on, then just load all your media on from iTunes, it REALLY takes about the same amount of time. The biggest downside is having to fine tune your settings, and re arrange your apps. For that, I have taken screenshots of my homescreens in my iPhoto library as a backup. If you are having problems, FORMAT TO FACTORY IMAGE. EVERYTHING else is a half assed work around that will not work in the end.
 
…so why are things so bad? Or rather, isn't the competitors products working really well considering this? I mean I can understand if there are some bugs that slip through, but I feel the issues are a bit big since Apple is behind both hardware and software, no?

The issues are with third party hardware and sofware. The one they don't own. And if the issue was THAT big, you'd see it in the news.

Secondly, the competitor doesn't have an instantaneous rollout of tens of millions of devices, a substantial percentage on network configurations never tested before. In fact, there are no products that gets this kind of release ANYWHERE in the world.

The App/configuration draining battery issue usually gets resolved very quick when people find out which one is responsible. The WIFI routers speed / draining issue can take a little longer.

Try your phone on another WIFI to see the speed you get, how your battery goes. There is a good chance you'll see an improvement.
 
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Guarantee almost everyone with battery and other problems has restored from a backup. Fresh install, every time I get a new phone. Set up as new iPhone... iCloud brings all your bookmarks contacts calendars, etc, on, then just load all your media on from iTunes, it REALLY takes about the same amount of time. The biggest downside is having to fine tune your settings, and re arrange your apps. For that, I have taken screenshots of my homescreens in my iPhoto library as a backup. If you are having problems, FORMAT TO FACTORY IMAGE. EVERYTHING else is a half assed work around that will not work in the end.

I always install/update from iTunes and restore from backup. I cannot stand asking again for wi-fi passwords from wherever I have been.

No problems whatsoever.
 
Not a huge issue, but I'm also noticing an issue with my notifications not clearing whenever I read a text message or an E-mail.
 
Excuse my ignorance on Android, but let me know when was the last time you had a major update on your Note 3. Because, you know, I could keep my 4S on iOS 5 and keep bragging on how fast and stable it is. I chose to update to iOS 8.0 when I could wait for 8.0.1 or even 8.1. Most of my friends are on iOS 7. My iPhone and theirs "just work" for all I can say. Personally I like to experience the "latest and greatest" and even report on features that don't work as they should or I don't like. And, yes, I have seen things change on iOS after being requested by many users.

Also, do you use 2 devices all day long? Really? Didn't you sell your iPhone 5 for a Note 3? Did you get another one? You have never talked about a specific issue with your iPhone. All your posts are just dismissing the iPhone and bashing Apple for not being perfect.
Don't need a update on my note everything I do on my phone works fine.
If you are ignorant about android then maybe you shouldn't post about it.
Here we go again. Bashing people who don't agree that Apple is the end all off phones. Why do you care if I use 2 phones. I do carry 2 with me. Both are mine but one is work only.

Are you stalking me. Kinda creepy. I did sell my 5 and just got a 6. Thought I should try the New iPhone. I too like the newest tech. Not sure if I will return it.

I don't post to much about my problems with iPhones because it would be another thread that was covered already. The answer is always Apple will fix it with updates. Shouldn't a $1000 phone "just work" out of the box and not need updates for basic functionality?
 
That sucks. My IPhone screams (dependent upon net traffic, of course). Just ran speedtest: 52.52 mbps download and 5.52 mbps upload with 30ms ping. Tried to post screenshot but this junk website won't let me.

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Guarantee almost everyone with battery and other problems has restored from a backup. Fresh install, every time I get a new phone. Set up as new iPhone... iCloud brings all your bookmarks contacts calendars, etc, on, then just load all your media on from iTunes, it REALLY takes about the same amount of time. The biggest downside is having to fine tune your settings, and re arrange your apps. For that, I have taken screenshots of my homescreens in my iPhoto library as a backup. If you are having problems, FORMAT TO FACTORY IMAGE. EVERYTHING else is a half assed work around that will not work in the end.


Wrong-0. Did restore from my last iPhone and this iPhone 6 works better out of the box than any IPhone I've ever used. Don't blame someone's inability to do an update restore on the hardware. Usually operator error. What a waste of time to take screenshots to get your app hierarchy reset also.
 
I have an iPhone 6 Plus which setup as a new phone. I thought everything was fine with mine, as I've been getting really good speedtest results.

However, last night, I came home, and my device couldn't see my wireless network at all. Switching off and back on fixed it. Earlier, today, images weren't loading in my mail messages. I checked the connection with my AirPort Extreme, and it seemed fine. Turning wifi off and back on brought it back to normal.

Clearly, there seems to be a few issues, and it doesn't seem to be affecting everyone, but it also doesn't seem to happen all the time on the devices it does affect.

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Don't need a update on my note everything I do on my phone works fine.

Good for you.

If you are ignorant about android then maybe you shouldn't post about it.

I did not post anything about android. I just asked you a simple question and you seem to be furious about it.

Are you stalking me. Kinda creepy.

2 clicks through your public profile to check if you are a troll/hater or not is not stalking. Get real.

Shouldn't a $1000 phone "just work" out of the box and not need updates for basic functionality?

"Just from $649." And it "just works" for most of the people. If it does not cover "basic functionality" for you, why would you possibly buy the latest one on its first week of release? You say you had the 5. I mean, it's not like you didn't know what to expect, right? It's not a hugely different experience, screen size apart. I have not seen the 6/6+ in person but I know what to expect from an iPhone. And it's not that I don't aknowledge the problems the iPhone might have.

Please don't answer back. I don't care if you like spending $1000 and then whine about it. Or not.
 
I am imagine others have noticed and mentioned this, but I am getting sluggish performance on my 5s while playing music. For example, when I skip a track, there is probably about a one-two second delay from the time I press forward until the time it actually changes. Pause and play is sluggish as well. I'd expect this on the 4s and maybe even the 5, but the 5s seems a bit ridiculous.
 
That sucks. My IPhone screams (dependent upon net traffic, of course). Just ran speedtest: 52.52 mbps download and 5.52 mbps upload with 30ms ping. Tried to post screenshot but this junk website won't let me.

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Wrong-0. Did restore from my last iPhone and this iPhone 6 works better out of the box than any IPhone I've ever used. Don't blame someone's inability to do an update restore on the hardware. Usually operator error. What a waste of time to take screenshots to get your app hierarchy reset also.

No way. Fresh factory image FTW, every time. Re arranging apps takes about... 10 min. Trust me, I have the option to restore from a backup , right there, every time. Garbage, and always has some issue or another, boggy performance, battery life, etc. It is just the nature of the beast. If you are arguing that someone's one year old phone is as fast as an out of the box factory image, we can just end the convo right here. Convenience might be a small notch up, but checking a few boxes in iTunes for your media and skimming through your settings is not that big of a deal. Even had one of the Apple store workers be like FINALLY somebody who does that, when I mentioned I didn't use the backups because he said 9 times out of 10 it is the cause of so many performance issues. But have fun with your way.

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I always install/update from iTunes and restore from backup. I cannot stand asking again for wi-fi passwords from wherever I have been.

No problems whatsoever.

To each their own, I vastly prefer a factory image. But obviously people's preferences differ. I would FOR SURE put my own money down that, hardware issues aside, if they have a shot battery or etc, that the people who are having battery issues in this thread could solve their issue with a factory new image.
 
Should never have updated my riPad mini.

Never had an issue and now after iOS 8, battery is worse, a lot worse and now it runs hot.

I swear us users are Apple's software beta testers. I'm sure in the .1 or .2 update it'll be fixed, I hope. But this really stinks.
 
Should never have updated my riPad mini.

Never had an issue and now after iOS 8, battery is worse, a lot worse and now it runs hot.

I swear us users are Apple's software beta testers. I'm sure in the .1 or .2 update it'll be fixed, I hope. But this really stinks.

Fresh restore. Guarantee it. People really don't seem to get this concept.
 
Fresh restore. Guarantee it. People really don't seem to get this concept.

And you know I didn't do this? How?
Did reset, network reset, restore, and set up as new.
There were other issues like screen not rotating and having to hard reset to get it to work.

I'm going to just go back to my last saved back up on iOS 7 until the updates come out.
 
No you're fine! Reset to factory, do everything manually. I know it's a little bit of work - but good to do about once a year anyway and you can think of it as a chance to clean the clutter and only put back on what you actually care about. Remember to import your photos! And understand your message history will not come back - say your goodbyes

Agreed. It is so much better. For the doubters, let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of a new iPhone or iPad user saying, oh wow my brand new out of the box device has bad battery life or is crashing or doing this or that. No. It is almost always people who do updates or restores on old images and everything is all junked up and cluttered on their phone. Just like back in the old windows days , and even now on iOS and OSX, you simply can't avoid an OS, even Unix, bogging over time, it just happens. I am a mechanical engineer by profession so I am not through and through on the software actual workings in detail, but if people wanted to solve their problem of battery life, and their hardware is fine, they could have it solved by tonight by doing a factory image then loading all of their stuff back on. It is funny how people act like it is such a big deal, it DOES NOT take much longer than just restoring, I mean check boxes and your media is right back on. iCloud loads your notes, contacts, calendars, bookmarks, etc. automatically. I could do it right now in under an hour. I have never, had poor performance on any Apple device, ever. Because I handle my suite this way. Now, if there are inherent software issues on the OS, that is another story, but I just haven't seen it ever, and I have had every iOS since the start. I am also now running iOS 8 on the iPhone 6, longest battery life I have ever had on an iPhone, fresh install.

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And you know I didn't do this? How?
Did reset, network reset, restore, and set up as new.
There were other issues like screen not rotating and having to hard reset to get it to work.

I'm going to just go back to my last saved back up on iOS 7 until the updates come out.

Hmm.. hardware maybe? Zero issues here. Or maybe it is a ripmini specific software issue. Pardon my assumption. Just usually is the problem for most people.
 
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Found my issue I had to many apps set refresh in the background. Also to many apps had access to my location services. I'm also sure having a lot of widgets in the today screen kills the battery to.
 
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