Despite Apple's 104% profits in the industry did anyone even note their operating margin is the lowest it has ever been in 7 years?
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iOS Adoption Remains at Lowest Levels Since 2014 as Android Captures Record 87.5% Market Share
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I still like iOS and OS X better than Android and Windows, mostly because I value performance, stability and attention to details a lot. There are quite a few things that Android and Windows do better, but at those three points Apple is still the king. For now.
But in reality, I only switched to iPhone, because I think SE offers really good price/performance ratio for my needs. I did miss some things I've been used to on Android, like back button, better widgets (fortunately Apple improved them a bit in iOS 10), working background tasks (like Dropbox sync), access to file system etc... but iPhone is still better at things I mentioned at the beginning. It also offers better security, which I find quite important on the mobile device that I carry with me all the time, I like the form factor and the price is great.
Ah, the price. I would almost certainly not switched to iPhone, if there was no SE. Other models simply doesn't offer enough added value compared to Androids. It was different 5 years ago, when iOS was clearly superior. This is not the case anymore. And this is also the problem I have with Macbook pros for quite some time now and it became even bigger with latest generation. My late 2008 unibody offered a lot of bang for the buck, compared to Windows notebooks of the same class. Now...
But in reality, I only switched to iPhone, because I think SE offers really good price/performance ratio for my needs. I did miss some things I've been used to on Android, like back button, better widgets (fortunately Apple improved them a bit in iOS 10), working background tasks (like Dropbox sync), access to file system etc... but iPhone is still better at things I mentioned at the beginning. It also offers better security, which I find quite important on the mobile device that I carry with me all the time, I like the form factor and the price is great.
Ah, the price. I would almost certainly not switched to iPhone, if there was no SE. Other models simply doesn't offer enough added value compared to Androids. It was different 5 years ago, when iOS was clearly superior. This is not the case anymore. And this is also the problem I have with Macbook pros for quite some time now and it became even bigger with latest generation. My late 2008 unibody offered a lot of bang for the buck, compared to Windows notebooks of the same class. Now...
No that's what you're saying with moving goalposts. Either the iphone is an invention or it's not. If jobs invented the iphone, timmy invented the 5s, 6, 6s, et all. If all Timmy did was repackage existing components, that's all that jobs did was well, as everything else existed at that time.
Now the metric is profit margins? That bang you just heard is the goal post being moved.
Compares to who? A CEO who made history with what happened to Microsoft. Actually Henry Ford might be compare.
The surface is all repackaged intel components, like different format laptops, which have been manufactured for years.
And what's with the no spaces between words? Makes it difficult to read.
Who repackaged it first and made it into a product line?Who was responsible for the first App Store on a phone?Did any phone even have a proper Retina display at that time?Was there a proper music store on any phone?Who made the world's first proper touch focused device not requiring a stylus?
TouchID was already done by Moto.Bigger phones were already being made when the iPhone 6 came out
Check Posts 187-194.It was already brought into the thread.You brought revenues into it too
Name one CEO who came out with consecutive 3 home run product lines.
Actually it was the first proper 2 in 1 with a detachable keyboard.
On my iPhone I use the period key.I am not accustomed to double tapping spacebar as I was an Android user for many years and on Android the space is automatically inserted while on iOS it isnt.Old habits die hard
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What, when, when?
What does the app store have to do with anything. Perfect example of moving goal posts(aka shifting the argument) and fallacious debating. Apple may have trademarked Retina, but it sure as shooting didn't trademark dots per inch. Touch screen was there by the time the iphone came out, cellular modems were there, wifi was there, buttons were there, volume controls were there, operating systems were there.
Revenues and profits are the flip side of "declining" IOS adoption rates.
Gordon Moore of Intel aka Moore's Law.
Actually, using the popular new "profit share" math...
Because BBOS, Tizen, iOS and Windows have lost market share, I calculate that...
Android now has 104% share of the smartphone OS market.
That must mean Walmart reserved space for these services in their stores just to store boxes and stuff.
Point is Jobs combined every "existing" component/software feature into a device no one had made before.What Timmy did with the iPhone 5s has been done on Android
Try sending an iMessage with an effect....it is the most unintuitive thing in the world, and the most unApple!
Or send multiple images from mail.
Or ask for the desktop version of a site in Safari (in the sharing button....really???)
Point is what jobs did is combine components and software that had done before as well. Either the my did or they didn't which goalpost? If they didn't nobody made a 5s before Timmy, or Apple Pay. If they did all of this was prior art. Take your pick.
Jobs said when he introduced the iPhone that they just wanted 1% of the market. They succeeded more than 10x over.
The clue is in coffee shop.
If you are poor (which most people are), you don't buy a coffee for £2.20 when you can make one at home for 2p, hence the preponderance of Macs.
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Certainly an interesting generalization, with all that generalizations come with.
Because he always under promised and over delivered.The iPhone will go down in history of science and technology as a technological marvel.Not just the iPhone,even the Mac line reached its glory when Steve was around.
Certainly saying always conveniently ignored when he overpromised and under delivered. The iPhone is no technological marvel Samsung line clearly eclipses it from a technology point of view, at least you've said so in other posts.
2000-2010 time frame.Everything was a home run
I am talking about 2007-2011 and the hardware itself.After that Samsung came out with the Note series and beat the iphone in many aspects.But the original iphone from 2007 is a technological marvel.The 2010 Retina display truly was at that time the best smartphone display on the planet
More moving goalposts. It's like me saying everything has been a home run for Timmy, which it has. And then coming back to qualify it by saying: "oh yeah I meant 2011-2016".
But let's not forget the $150 million infusion from Microsoft. Power cube G4 and iPod hifi, antennagate, map-gate. But you're right successes outweigh failures.
At the 5 year mark of Steve Jobs returning to Apple, he was changing the world with the iPod.
At the 5 year mark, Tim Cook's main accomplishment is obscenely record-high profits milking the userbase partly through 16gb iPhones and dongles.
See the difference? Vision is lacking.
At the 5 year mark, Tim Cook's main accomplishment is obscenely record-high profits milking the userbase partly through 16gb iPhones and dongles.
See the difference? Vision is lacking.
Is that to say that breakthrough innovation is magically supposed to be there all the time? After we landed on the moon did it mean that we were a failure after that by not landing on mars in the next decade?
You actually didnt read my earlier post completely
He was an inventor and a risk taker.In the course of innovating risks and accidents happen.But the product of that is the 67% market share we see today.Petty cost control measures and incremental updates whilst safe result in declining sales as we are witnessing
Oh and even in Timmy's reign Apple Maps is still crap compared to Google Maps.Sometimes I wonder why do they even try?When it comes to services its downright embarrassing how behind Apple is compared to Google.Just use Google Assistant and Siri for a day and come back and tell me who got the hang of AI (the future of computing) more?
If 3 countries land on Mars,than the ones who dont are lacking in technology.Yes.Among the 3 the one who does it first gets all the credit.The rest dont get much
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Okay you quote market share, which is meaningless and I'll quote financials. Ask android how meaningful market share is; only google wins on market share. When I'm on vacation Apple maps is better than google maps for navigating to pois. So Timmy did well to get me off google maps.
See as far as services go I trust Apple more with my info than google and they (Apple) have a better service infrastructure for what I need.