iOS Adoption Remains at Lowest Levels Since 2014 as Android Captures Record 87.5% Market Share

[Lancetx]

It's amazing how some think their personal experience represents meaningful statistics that holds true when applied to tens or hundreds of millions of people.

He asked about "real world" experience and so simply I responded with mine. What's so difficult about that for you to understand?

I bet that unless you work in a very small office, not even your 60-40 split is correct. Perhaps it's just your confirmation bias - you probably simply notice iPhones a lot more then other phones. Perhaps people with iPhones keep them more visible/show them off a lot more than other people (since the iPhone is fashion tech, that would make sense).

I wouldn't call an office with over 500 employees on 8 floors "small" but whatever you say. And no, I go by what I actually see every day, not any confirmation bias. If anything, 60/40 may actually be underestimating it here by a little bit. However, you're more than welcome to come here and look at all 500+ employees phones if you'd like to actually prove yourself either right or wrong, since you seem to think that you know so much about it.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Seems both sustainable enough (it's been going for a while now), and great for consumers. Personally I am very excited about Huawei and Xiaomi entering the fray (i.e. EU market). I don't particularly like Samsung's dominance in the field.

Not to pick on you, just the manufacturer you used in this comment.... this highlights the problem with "Android" market share.

It's a false number. Xiaomi doesn't use Android, it has MIUI - an OS made from AOSP. Carve out AOSP numbers from these things, because AOSP is not Android, and the number comes to earth a lot.

 

[Radon87000]

Fixed it. The rest was just another opinion on this "vast" internet.

Can you elaborate?Lets start with innovation .What did Tim Cook invent?

 

[Radon87000]

Freefall?

What exactly constitutes a freefall in your mind?

Sharp decline in sales.This is exactly how the iPad share started to tank

 

[I7guy]

Can you elaborate?Lets start with innovation .What did Tim Cook invent?

Please, what did Steve jobs invent. Nothing. So let's not post loaded questions.
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Sharp decline in sales.This is exactly how the iPad share started to tank

So is Samsung in a free fall also by that
logic?

 

[Radon87000]

Please, what did Steve jobs invent. Nothing. So let's not post loaded questions.

He invented Apple and 90% of Apple's product line.iPhone,iPad,Mac.The smartphone and tablet industry with their proper interfaces owes its existence to Jobs.Basically everything which is worth talking about of Apple was thanks to Jobs
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So is Samsung in a free fall also by that
logic?

Right now thanks to the Note 7,yes

 

[I7guy]

He invented Apple and 90% of Apple's product line.iPhone,iPad,Mac.The smartphone and tablet industry with their proper interfaces owes its existence to Jobs.Basically everything which is worth talking about of Apple was thanks to Jobs
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Right now thanks to the Note 7,yes

Well if that's the line of thinking. Cook invented 5S, 6 (apples best seller period), ipad pro...etc. You don't invent "proper interfaces". Apples success after Jobs was predicated on Cooks foresight, where it became the most valuable company. Sheesh. And by the logic in these posts, Samsung is in a freefall?

 

[bowlen]

I'm not surprised this is the case considering the iPhone is a premium product. Android has the numbers because you can get an android phone for $200. Doesn't mean it's a better phone however.

Market share in this regard isn't easily represented. I'd like to see the market share of iPhone v Galaxy S7 for example.

 

[Radon87000]

Well if that's the line of thinking. Cook invented 5S, 6 (apples best seller period), ipad pro...etc. You don't invent "proper interfaces". Apples success after Jobs was predicated on Cooks foresight, where it became the most valuable company. Sheesh. And by the logic in these posts, Samsung is in a freefall?

Cook improved upon what Jobs built.The strong foundation which is difficult to create was done by Jobs.App Store was an idea from the Jobs era.Jobs loved to keep things simple which is why there was only 1 iPhone and 1 iPad when he was at the helm.Tim Cook is having more than 4 iPhones for sale cluttering up the product line.If that isn't enough iPhone 8 is reportedly coming with 3 different models

Samsung has suffered a 96% decline in profits and their sales will definitely take a huge beating

 

[Phoenixx]

The problem with looking at this only by market share, is it doesn't take into account the price of the phones. There are a lot of very inexpensive Android phones on the market, while Apple ONLY makes phones for the higher end.

If would be far more relevant to see a study that shows what the market share is for phones priced at $600+. I suspect that would show a completely different picture.

 

[melendezest]

Ah, the old iOS vs Android battle.

All the old tropes have already been thrown out there, so I'll only add this:

I chose Android over iOS, and not because of price but because of hardware and software features Apple doesn't offer.

I think I can safely venture that I'm not the only one, either.

 

[Abazigal]

And to further hammer in the message that Apple is indeed doomed...

http://www.investors.com/news/techn...rabs-104-of-smartphone-industry-profit-in-q3/

 

[Feenician]

And to further hammer in the message that Apple is indeed doomed...

http://www.investors.com/news/techn...rabs-104-of-smartphone-industry-profit-in-q3/

Only 104%!? Doomed! Apple should have USB-A and parallel ports on the iphone. Courage.
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Ah, the old iOS vs Android battle.

All the old tropes have already been thrown out there, so I'll only add this:

I chose Android over iOS, and not because of price but because of hardware and software features Apple doesn't offer.

I think I can safely venture that I'm not the only one, either.

I'm sure you're not the only one who likes computer janitoring their appliances but you're not, not by a long shot, the majority.

 

[rebe1]

So at a restaurant tonight in Toronto in a neighbourhood where there's mostly young mainland chinese immigrant students and koreans, and the tables surrounding me (yes its a tight fit restaurant), were all iPhones except for one guy who had an older Samsung. Age demographics were early twenties.

This is similar to what I find when I'm traveling around Asia, so I am always intrigued when I read these reports. I guess you have to use the marketshare data with the profit share data to get a clear picture of what is going on, who is buying the premium phones, etc, before people should start proclaiming that the sky is falling or that so and so should be running the company....

 

[MacBH928]

Of course Android will win, its on every portable product from the cheapest of cheap to the highest end and its built by multiple manufacturers.

That being said, i would like to see a new OS competitor in the smartphone market

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Too bad for the people using Android. I think Apple has the better overall experience.

I'm guessing that, like almost all the people who say silly things like this, that you have never actually used an Android phone. I have used both and Android is the better OS. It's not a big difference if I'm honest, but it is much better thought out. If I had to use an iPhone I wouldn't cry myself to sleep at night, but given a choice I would take Android every time.

Seen and used Android - thank you. As I said (emphasis mine) "I think Apple has the better overall experience." which basically expresses my opinion which you said is silly. Also I said - "Apple" - I didn't say iOS. By this I meant the experience including my Mac, my Watch, my iPhone, my iPad.

 

[Radon87000]

And to further hammer in the message that Apple is indeed doomed...

http://www.investors.com/news/techn...rabs-104-of-smartphone-industry-profit-in-q3/

No one is doubting the profits.We are talking about the very long term.Ballmer nearly tripled Microsoft profits in the short term but failed to realise where the industry is heading and look where they are now. Less than 1% smartphone market share

 

[myemailisjustin]

Yet they take 103% of industry profits: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...one-profits-in-q3-despite-shrinking-shipments

 

[I7guy]

Cook improved upon what Jobs built.The strong foundation which is difficult to create was done by Jobs.App Store was an idea from the Jobs era.Jobs loved to keep things simple which is why there was only 1 iPhone and 1 iPad when he was at the helm.Tim Cook is having more than 4 iPhones for sale cluttering up the product line.If that isn't enough iPhone 8 is reportedly coming with 3 different models

Samsung has suffered a 96% decline in profits and their sales will definitely take a huge beating

Jobs didn't build a 5s with Touch ID, you're moving the goalposts as you go. I'm just posting observations based on your logic here.

Thankfully there are choices in devices, apple might have been in a Freefall if for some reasons Steve was still around. Never would have allowed the iPhone 6, tins best invention ever.
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No one is doubting the profits.We are talking about the very long term.Ballmer nearly tripled Microsoft profits in the short term but failed to realise where the industry is heading and look where they are now. Less than 1% smartphone market share

Each android manufacturer has a tiny share compared to Apple, except for Samsung but their mobile division doesn't make the same revenue.

 

[melendezest]

I'm sure you're not the only one who likes computer janitoring their appliances but you're not, not by a long shot, the majority.

Sorry, but I have no clue what you mean in regards to "computer janitoring".

How exactly did you determine what the majority is, criteria-wise?

 

[wigby]

It's getting harder and harder to believe there is zero profit in making Android phones, because we've been hearing it for five years. Android volumes keep increasing. It could be that the wild guesses and speculations behind phone maker profit are wrong.
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We'll see. These are global figures, and the holiday season you talk about is more of a Western season. So if the global market share is to surge back to 20%, it will have to be on the back of European and US sales, which gets a harder and harder task (I imagine).

Just looking at the same chart as you. Besides Apple knows all of these seasonal sales and territorial differences. They've raised their own expectations for this holiday season over last year's.

 

[Radon87000]

Jobs didn't build a 5s with Touch ID, you're moving the goalposts as you go. I'm just posting observations based on your logic here.

Thankfully there are choices in devices, apple might have been in a Freefall if for some reasons Steve was still around. Never would have allowed the iPhone 6, tins best invention ever.

I am not the one moving the goal posts.I stand by my claim that Jobs invented iPhone,iPad and Mac.He invented the product line itself.All Tim did was improve on subsequent iterations.The credit of the App Store,the OS,the product design with its iconic home button,once upon a time the best in class Retina display which no product compared to at that time and some of which stand as the foundation of the iPhone even today goes to Jobs and THATS what matters.Not increasing the screen size,replacing home buttons with solid state etc.Innovations in their own right?Yes but revolutionary like the original iPhone?Nope

Jobs had a 1 product line,1-2 products mantra.Tim is cluttering it up.Jobs loved the backlit Apple logo which made the MacBooks standout among other products.Tim removed it.All for the profit margin to save some costs on the LED lighting.Yes thats how cheap that move was

Each android manufacturer has a tiny share compared to Apple, except for Samsung but their mobile division doesn't make the same revenue.

This doesnt change the story that iOS declined nearly 5% while Android gained 10% .This isnt good news if we are talking about Android switchers which we keep hering in their earnings guidance

 

[trifid]

Tim Cook invented this:

 

[I7guy]

I am not the one moving the goal posts.I stand by my claim that Jobs invented iPhone,iPad and Mac.He invented the product line itself.All Tim did was improve on subsequent iterations.The credit of the App Store,the OS,the product design with its iconic home button,once upon a time the best in class Retina display which no product compared to at that time and some of which stand as the foundation of the iPhone even today goes to Jobs and THATS what matters.Not increasing the screen size,replacing home buttons with solid state etc.Innovations in their own right?Yes but revolutionary like the original iPhone?Nope

Jobs had a 1 product line,1-2 products mantra.Tim is cluttering it up.Jobs loved the backlit Apple logo which made the MacBooks standout among other products.Tim removed it.All for the profit margin to save some costs on the LED lighting.Yes thats how cheap that move was



This doesnt change the story that iOS declined nearly 5% while Android gained 10% .This isnt good news if we are talking about Android switchers which we keep hering in their earnings guidance

You can't invent something that has been invented, by prior logic....did touch screens exist? Yes. Did cell chips exist? Yes. Did wifi chips exist. Yes? So what was invented? Nothing. You keep moving the goal posts because you have a different opinion of current Apple management. Apple didn't invent tablets either, yes there is a trademark on iPad, but Apple didn't invent tablets.

Tim innovated on Touch ID and invented and produced the iPhone 6 that sent Apple into the stratosphere.

I agree iOS declined 5% while capturing 104% of the profits in the industry. Not bad huh?

 

[NT1440]

No one is doubting the profits.We are talking about the very long term.Ballmer nearly tripled Microsoft profits in the short term but failed to realise where the industry is heading and look where they are now. Less than 1% smartphone market share

So...just to flesh out your premise a bit more:

Where exactly is Android going that iOS isn't? It sounds like your referring to some type of paradigm shift, but I haven't seen anything from Google or iOS that would signal that currently.

I do think that cellphones will become terminal-like extensions of a wearable based personal computing system (a "core" computer in a watch, necklace, whatever that connects data to the foldable phone/tablet) but that's like 10 years away.