Out of curiosity, do Blackberry's newer phones count into the Android figures or into the Blackberry figures?
apples revenue from their ecosystem totally dwarfs samsung mobile phone division no question about that.Yes, that is my point, Apple cannot be making 95% (as you and others always claim) of global smartphone profits if iPhone made 75% [<$6B]of Apples profits, then Samsung can make <$0.3B profit for that calculation to make sense, when we know they made nearly 15 times that number from their mobile division alone. Add in hardware profit from iPhones, and I still argue that Samsung probably makes at least as much as Apple does from smartphones.
Check out the fart apps in the App Store.
apples revenue from their ecosystem totally dwarfs samsung mobile phone division no question about that.[/QUOTE
Why do you keep moving the goal posts? You made claims about mobile hardware profits...now it is sales from the App Store? No one is arguing that since Samsung doesn't have one? (Samsung makes more money from fridges!! /s)
The holy trinity of retail: revenue, volume, and market share. Shrinking market share is always dangerous, just like shrinking volume or profitsActually Apple owns the revenue 4 to 1 on Google when it comes to App Store. Also 95% of the hardware profits. So market share by unit is irrelevant when most Android devices are cheap and used mostly as feature phones.
Again, context is everything.The holy trinity of retail: revenue, volume, and market share. Shrinking market share is always dangerous, just like shrinking volume or profits
Android has come a long away.
I believe this year will be the 1st year I buy an Android phone because of the lack of innovation from Apple and the iPhone 7.
At what point do developers stop making apps for iOS? Wasn't that the issue the Mac had in the 1990's, a smaller and smaller market share, so developers abandon it?
That isn't going to happen anytime soon, considering iPhone apps make developers significantly more money compared to the Android version of the same app.
For people that will say that the S7 and now Note 7 (make no mistake, I like the Note 7 and im considering buying 1 depending on what the iPhone 7 Plus has) are selling well lets not forget its context:
Galaxy S7 are only up compared to the S6 and S5 which were, somewhat, failures in sales compared to expectations.
Samsung sold around 25 million premium phones in the first two quarters of 2016, compared to 40 million of Apple just last quarter.
Only the initial apps, not accepted anymore. The End.
Yes Curved screens, Wireless charging, edge less displays (Xperia Xa series etc), Waterproof and dust proof phones, The note series and some others have reinvented the phone stylus. Iris scanner. Lots on the software side of things. Both have been innovative, people just choose to be ignorant.Seems to be curved screen and wireless charging. I cant think of anything else.
Again, context is everything.
Apple's market share looks small compared to Android, but don't forget that 14% market share is still a very large number in absolute terms. Apple recently sold its 1 billionth iPhone, which means that at any one time, we are looking are more than half a billion active iPhone users. Apple also has more than enough users to maintain its own ecosystem and make it a thriving and self-sufficient platform in its own right.
Besides, Apple already has problems meeting demand for their iPhone every launch quarter, so I am not sure how lower prices might necessarily translate into larger market share if Apple can't produce enough iPhones to meet the higher demand anyways.
Chasing market share for the sake of market share is a fool's errand. Apple clearly has the volume and profits, and its market share is just as respectable when compared to any other company out there. If you want to paint it as "Apple vs the rest of the world", bear in mind that Apple's recent profits was more than Google, Facebook and Microsoft combined, and this was in Apple's "off" quarter.
But sure, let's focus on profitless market share in a vacuum, because that's the only way we can make Apple look bad.
I doubt the people buying a $60 smartphone were ever in the market for an iPhone anyways.The smartphone market is turning over so quickly that Apple's share could change fairly suddenly. Android 6.0 is a fine OS and Amazon sells a fine smartphone that runs it for $60. I don't think Apple can launch a phone at the same prices as last year and expect to sell it in huge numbers at that price in the middle of 2017. Sure they'd sellout at launch. That is fine. But unless Apple wants to lower the price later on (which it hates to do on its products and it won't even do it two years after a laptop is introduced), I think Apple needs to come out of the gate with a cheaper phone.
Since this is a similar design, cost of manufacturing this phone probably has come down form the 6 and 6s, so Apple may be able to maintain margins while cutting $50 or even $100 off the price.
Seems you both have some good experience in them, certainly more than mine.I trust that your expertise about fart apps is superior to mine, so I'll take your word for it.
The grass is always greener wherever it is watered. In this case, Apple have dropped the ball, and Android phones are so far ahead they aren't even in the same league.The grass always seems greener on the other side.
Or when there is more dung.The grass is always greener wherever it is watered.
The thing is, the iPhone is a mid priced phone with a price tag ABOVE even the top tier phones from other manufacturers. Where I live, I can buy a Galaxy S7 Edge for only slightly more than an iPhone SE 16gb. That's crazy. In order to buy the top tier iPhone 6s Plus would cost around TWICE THE PRICE. Even then, it isn't as good a phone as the S7 Edge.Surely eyebrows are being raised at the merits of Cooks leadership?
If you can't offer innovation, time to start offering value.
The thing is, the iPhone is a mid priced phone with a price tag ABOVE even the top tier phones from other manufacturers. Where I live, I can buy a Galaxy S7 Edge for only slightly more than an iPhone SE 16gb. That's crazy. In order to buy the top tier iPhone 6s Plus would cost around TWICE THE PRICE. Even then, it isn't as good a phone as the S7 Edge.
We already know what iphone 7 will be like. Nothing to get too excited about. Basically iphone 6s with spec bump and bigger camera, and no headphone jack
Seems you both have some good experience in them, certainly more than mine.
Apple struggling to meet demand has years ago, last year and even the year before they were in equilibrium, and this year they cut production:Again, context is everything.
Apple's market share looks small compared to Android, but don't forget that 14% market share is still a very large number in absolute terms. Apple recently sold its 1 billionth iPhone, which means that at any one time, we are looking are more than half a billion active iPhone users. Apple also has more than enough users to maintain its own ecosystem and make it a thriving and self-sufficient platform in its own right.
Besides, Apple already has problems meeting demand for their iPhone every launch quarter, so I am not sure how lower prices might necessarily translate into larger market share if Apple can't produce enough iPhones to meet the higher demand anyways.
Chasing market share for the sake of market share is a fool's errand. Apple clearly has the volume and profits, and its market share is just as respectable when compared to any other company out there. If you want to paint it as "Apple vs the rest of the world", bear in mind that Apple's recent profits was more than Google, Facebook and Microsoft combined, and this was in Apple's "off" quarter.
But sure, let's focus on profitless market share in a vacuum, because that's the only way we can make Apple look bad.
Question, how much innovation does a user really need in a phone? At some point the return would exponentially decline. I suspect the sales results are more of a pricing issue then innovation.
I doubt the people buying a $60 smartphone were ever in the market for an iPhone anyways.
The funny thing is that all signs seem to point towards the next iPhone actually becoming more expensive, not less. Rumoured increase of base storage to 32 gb, storage options up to 256 gb, a possible pro model with smart connector (and accompanying accessories). We have seen this happen with the iPad Pro and it seems like Apple will be trying the same trick with the iPhone line next.
Won't it be poetic? To have Apple raise their prices, and see sales increase as well?