iOS has got no soul anymore

Discussion in 'iOS 7' started by Deasnutz, Jul 26, 2013.

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  1. Deasnutz macrumors 6502

    Jun 9, 2011
    If I wanted straight functionality, I'd just go android. Almost feels like a bastardized fake version of a real thing.

    And I blame Tim Cook 100%. If that guy had ONE JOB, it's to keep the core talent from leaving apple. Just piss all over everything Steve worked for all these years *******.
  2. stiligFox macrumors 65816


    Apr 24, 2009

    Not sure if serious -- why wouldn't you want straight functionality in a device?
  3. WhackyNinja macrumors 68000


    Jul 6, 2012
    Kissimmee, FL
  4. Jakimo macrumors 6502

    Apr 25, 2008
    Colorado Springs
  5. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    You know Steve had 4 years of products in the pipeline before his death right?
  6. AngerDanger macrumors 68040


    Dec 9, 2008
    ← Downward Crow's Head
    And you know the worst part? iOS 7 doesn't even care.

  7. Svengali macrumors newbie

    Jun 11, 2013
  8. syd430 Guest

    And they couldn't change their minds right?
  9. betabeta macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2013
    Steve's plan with the 4 years of products didn't involve firing his mini me Scott Forstall, who was in charge of the design of ios....Steve didn't have Jony design software which makes you say hmmmm.

    4 years of products, maybe, but as far as software design, would have been collaborated with Forstall, and was most likely all thrown out with his departure.

    As crazy as Steve was in matching the leather in his plane, and Steve's love of making technology more closely resembling real life, like page flips, knobs, buttons etc... I could never believe his pipeline included firing Scott, and allowing Jony to UI design.

    ios 7's (design) is completely new and wasn't remotely part of any of Steve's pipeline, functionality maybe, design, nope.

    I'm rooting for the new ios, in some ways the new Apple is more open to ideas , but saying no is also important.
  10. cobbyco, Jul 26, 2013
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    cobbyco macrumors 6502a


    Aug 6, 2012
    No, because they didn't need to.
  11. Bobby Corwen, Jul 27, 2013
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    Bobby Corwen macrumors 68030

    Jul 16, 2010
    Not THAT in detail.. And changes clearly happened.
  12. notrack macrumors 6502

    Feb 19, 2012
    In some way it makes sense that Apple heads for a cleaner design. It matches the the hardware and the general appearence of the brand. But it is also risky to make extreme changes like this because it's not only up to the technical design stuff but also to what it feels like and the style it expresses. It's really hard to implement these "soft" factors.

    While I personally like minimalistic clean design, but I also understand that others percieve it as empty, sterile and lifeless.
  13. syd430 Guest

    I take it you have read Jobs' biography and the constant power struggles that went on which decided what course a product would take. Even Jobs couldn't get it his way half the time and was known to reverse course sporadically. Jobs couldnt even turn a profit at NeXT for the first 9 years and the Apple III was a flop, not to mention a long string of other failures under his watch. The guy was clearly a genius and visionary but it took him decades to learn many mistakes, so no Apple is not going to follow Jobs' vision to every little detail.
  14. GermanyChris macrumors 601


    Jul 3, 2011
    iOS never had any soul, how could it be gone?
  15. TheRainKing macrumors 6502a


    Jun 11, 2012
    Personally, I agree with the OP. Apple products have never been about functionality, they were about art and user experience. Sadly some people just don't get it so it's hard to have a proper discussion on this type of subject.
  16. leman macrumors G3

    Oct 14, 2008
    What? Apple was ALWAYS about pure functionality, presented with great sense of aesthetic. Apple NEVER had nonsense-features in their products, it was always straight to the point and minimal. I think iOS 7 fits the theme quite nicely.
  17. mirzank macrumors regular

    Apr 15, 2008
    so exactly what did you expect regarding steve jobs? for him to live forever just so you could have your gadget fix? guys gone. he trained tim cook. he made sure tim cook was ceo because he trusted him. do you think its easy to run an organization the size of apple? its not. so first of all, go easy on your anger towards the lack of steve.

    Secondly, as for the the no soul part. you still havent explain what you mean by "no soul". i actually think ios has MORE soul now. if you werent so hesitant to change or fixated on the departure of steve jobs, you'd notice that too. sure you dont get 3d icons and you might not like the icons, but look at the multi layer design of the iphone. i love how you can see through the lock screen keyboard to the background wall paper. love how bringing up notification centre or cntrol panel shows the slight colours of the background behind it.

    I love how windows slide into view. i love the sleek new thin font.i thoguht i'd dismiss paralax for just being a gimick (like i dismissed siri or apple maps), but i actually like paralax surprisingly. i love the sleeker mail app. and sms. and the dial pad.

    so i think you've just got blinders on because its very easy to be outraged when you have nothing else to complain about. relax. take a deep breath. and it will allll be ok.
  18. mirzank macrumors regular

    Apr 15, 2008
    user experience IS functionality. apples user experience is giving the user straightforward, simple, usable, attractive design. to me that in the core of functionality. now you might not agree with the actual functionality it provides but thats a different story. you can't deny that apple started the smartphone revolution (the MAINSTREAm revolution) because it was simple and straightforward. it was FUNCTIONAL without bogging down the user in unnecessary complications.

    you just want something that functions DIFFERENTLY. What you're saying is: Why do i need a sandboxed experience. why am i not able to install any software outside the app store. why am i not able to play crysis on my iphone.its like saying "man screw the iphone i can't dj on it" when really waht you need is turntables not an iphone.

    so in summary, the iphone experience is all about functionality. you just want something different. maybe more complicated is what you want (but that doesnt equate to more functional).
  19. Maagus macrumors regular

    Nov 7, 2007
    Czech republic
    On the contrary. I think that iOS now has more soul than ever. Especially on the iPhone. I finally feel like this is the way iPhone should have been from the beginning.
  20. Mrg02d macrumors 65816

    Jan 27, 2012
  21. charlituna macrumors G3


    Jun 11, 2008
    Los Angeles, CA
    His one job is to make the company money.

    And Steve gave him the blessing to do that as he felt fit, not to try to be Steve 2.0

    If by core talent you mean that sycophant Scott Forstall, he wasn't the end all and be all that some try to see him as. He was however the one who jumped to add pointless gimmick moving shadows etc to iOS 6 while removing useful functions such as being able to use the quality of videos being downloaded from the store while also not catching a huge and costly to the consumer wifi bug in the first release etc.


    Maybe, could have been more


    1. We will never know cause Steve is gone
    2. Keeping Forstall for as long as he was could have been a mistake. One that Steve never saw because he was blinded by his sense of loyalty to a guy that had been around kissing up to him since NeXT.

    I'm sure that Scott Forstall is a very smart guy but there are lots of smart guys out there. And just because a highly vocal minority doesn't like a direction Apple is taking doesn't equal it being a mistake, stupid etc.


    Art changes. And users aren't as dumb as they were 5 years ago when they needed a UI that coddled them.
  22. batting1000 macrumors 604

    Sep 4, 2011
    I like how everyone thinks they knew what Steve Jobs was like as though they were best friends.
  23. Rogifan macrumors Core


    Nov 14, 2011
    Basically Steve Jobs would have done whatever they would do. If they don't like something then Steve would never have done it. :D
  24. batting1000 macrumors 604

    Sep 4, 2011
    Exactly. :)
  25. _Refurbished_ macrumors 68000


    Mar 23, 2007
    I've tried to like each BETA of iOS7. I always fall back on iOS6. 7 tried to "simplify" everything by removing UI elements. It was those UI elements that made it simple in the first place. All they needed to do was visually unify everything to create a more coherent experience, and update the look of the buttons...not remove them completely.

    Removing contrast, buttons, and butchering Safari was not on my list of things that needed improvement.

    I can't stand Ive's vision. He's a genius, but this was a misstep for him. Will be jailbreaking to use an alternate theme.
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