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IOS Lion is a warning of bad things to come.
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This is fear mongering.
The iPhone & iPad are low-powered devices with small screens, meant for non-advanced computing tasks. The Mac is not, so it won't have the same level of restriction.
umm... I think that's pretty close to what they are having, if the app that you want doesn't get approved for the app store then you can go ahead and buy it from the developer. Apple is not doing anything to restrict what you can install on your mac they are just adding another option.
This reminds me of the tea party movement. People are talking about creating a public option in health care, and they all freak out that they will be forced to use it.
The Mac App Store is an option and it'd be suicide for Apple to make it mandatory. It has strict restrictions because if it is on the store, then it has Apple's stamp of approval. It's as simple as that.
The Mac App Store is an option and it'd be suicide for Apple to make it mandatory. It has strict restrictions because if it is on the store, then it has Apple's stamp of approval. It's as simple as that.
Perhaps 10.9 will actually be ios6
One way to get a cut on anything developed to run on an apple is to require it to be purchased through an Apple app store.
Apple will make money for simply hosting developers software.
The good of that will be everything is centralized.
If you look at the new data center, did apple ever say what the mission of that really was? If so I missed it.
You develop a program/app and sell it $20. $6 goes to apple.
Also, can anyone tell me if the credit card transaction fees are absorbed into that $6 or is the developer hit with that charge too.
A mac app store may be good for developers and a bragging point for apple, look at us we have 1 million apps for the mac platform.
I would love to see that download stats for all the apps.
>100k downloads
>10k downloads
<1000 downloads and so on.
One way to get a cut on anything developed to run on an apple is to require it to be purchased through an Apple app store.
Apple will make money for simply hosting developers software.
The good of that will be everything is centralized.
If you look at the new data center, did apple ever say what the mission of that really was? If so I missed it.
You develop a program/app and sell it $20. $6 goes to apple.
Also, can anyone tell me if the credit card transaction fees are absorbed into that $6 or is the developer hit with that charge too.
A mac app store may be good for developers and a bragging point for apple, look at us we have 1 million apps for the mac platform.
I would love to see that download stats for all the apps.
>100k downloads
>10k downloads
<1000 downloads and so on.
but why should I have to jailbreak my computer to use it the way I want/need to, especially since I could very easily run windows or linux and not need this hassle?
I have a right to post my concerns, and that is a valid concern. Its not like I'm the only one to post the idea that apple is building a walled garden for the mac.
Apple has a walled garden for the Mac. You're worried about a smaller walled planter box.
Not yet, anyone can develop an app for OSX, and sell it. They do not need apple to approve and host the application sale. The iPhone/iPad/iPod touch, you need apple's approval process and have them host it.
Apple's goal is not to get a cut of all the sales. 30% is a legitamate overhead. Here is what Apple provides:
- Credit Card Transactions
- Web Hosting
- Bandwidth
- Copy Protection
I love when people say "Why would a developer use the App store when they could sell it there self for FREE".
So would 30% represent a decrease in developer's revenue for Panic (maker of Transmit) or Pathfinder, or adobe or Microsoft.
While I agree with you that it apple does provide some good services for the developer, make no mistake, they (Apple) make a tidy profit on the sale. They're not doing this out of altruism, but for the simple fact of creating another revenue stream.
People saying the App store signals the death of Mac OS are getting pretty annoying. It's the download section of Apple.com made prettier, made into a stand alone app, and Apple trying to market it better both to consumers and to developers. The App store is nothing new, people need to get over it. Honestly, it's a godsend for developers.
What you're forgetting is that the can be be Apple Developer tools in the App Store for developers to use. Just because the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch are basically gadgets for viewing content, it doesn't mean that the Mac App Store is going to be consumption-centric.
I can't wait for installous OSX
This is a good point I hadn't thought of before
Is this Mac app store going to make it easier for people to "steal" apps? With traditional software, you have to have a lengthy activation code. Sure, those can be generated for free, but for many apps it's difficult or impossible to find them. And/or a crack has to be developed that is both difficult to find and install for basic users.
But installous is easy for most people to use. If it is expanded to support mac app store apps, then pirated software will be so much easier to come buy. Many large companies won't have that.
Software like Photoshop and full games from ea etc probably won't be distributed on this store unless apple forces it.
I honestly think 10.7 is the start of the decline of Apple. The iphone and ipad are so locked down compared to android already. The mac will follow suit. The mac is slowly turning into a cashcow and tbh i think just lately that is the only thing on apples mind. With the new windows7 mobiles coming out (dont laugh , ive seen one in the flesh and they are very very good phones) and windows 8 on the horizon i honestly think that apple is going to lose alot of consumers to windows.
I left apple products last year due to this very reason. I was utterly fed up of being restricted. Yes cheap windows computers get virus's and breakdown blah blah but when you factor in the cost of the mac its not comparable.
I now have a very very fasy computer (intel i7, 8gb ram etc etc ) and it knocks spots of all but the obscenely expensive mac pro). I use the free windows security essentials and i am yet to have a virus. It runs sweet.
This isnt a windows is better than apple post, just a "apple is losing it" post.
I left apple products last year due to this very reason. I was utterly fed up of being restricted. Yes cheap windows computers get virus's and breakdown blah blah but when you factor in the cost of the mac its not comparable.
I now have a very very fasy computer (intel i7, 8gb ram etc etc ) and it knocks spots of all but the obscenely expensive mac pro). I use the free windows security essentials and i am yet to have a virus. It runs sweet.
This isnt a windows is better than apple post, just a "apple is losing it" post.
So the ipad is open? It was pointed out that Apple was going down a dangerous path when the ipad was announced. Now I don't buy into so much of the conspiracy theories but weather it's Apple's intentions or it's just the natural course of development, we are being conditioned to accept restrictions on the way we use computers. And it does go against Apple original premise as a company.
Now I can see both sides of the arguments where you need to have certain restrictions to assure a certain measure of consistency in the overall experience but how far do you go? For every program people install on their macs today that cause issues, people with limited understanding of computers, equate that to a poor experience with the OS even it's just crapy third part software. Which in turn effects Apple's customer satisfaction and this is something Apple takes very seriously. Imposing strict restriction on every piece of software installed is not the answer and I hope Apple doesn't continue the trend.
I thought about that as well.. But the thing is, the developer tools them self are a dangerous thing in a closed environment. The tools HAVE to give the developer some low level acces. The developers need to be able to see how the ram is being used, what is being put in ram... How various resources are being used around the OS.
Even the Terminal, a very useful tool for developing applications. As soon as you give access to these tools, the OS is open. You can not remove these tools, you can not reduce their access..
So in theory, there won't need to be a jailbreak ever. Just install Xcode and you have all the access a jailbreak would give
(which is just root access)The consistency only has to be for the apps Apple provide through the app store. That is why the guide lines are so strict.
On the desktop OS, the app store will be just as strict and provide that same consistency. Apples role of providing working, bug free software which provides customer satisfaction.
Any thing installed from another source will be an "at your own risk" type of thing. Apple has played their role, they provided you a safe source.
Things will be easier to find and purchase for the consumer. I know this will make me buy more Mac Apps that are $5 instead of finding free alternatives. I don't want to enter credit card information into 10 different sites to buy 10 different pieces of software.
Apple hasn't brought the 'use at your own risk' strategy to the iPhone or the iPad. The problem comes when apple hands you a laptop/desktop and the only thing you can put on it is from the app store. This is the trend they are working towards and it's troubling to see so many people ignoring that fact. It's one thing to have control and having complete control. Apple is slowing implementing full control and that's a bad thing for everyone.
the ios devices were never open. not to mention apple wont sell any more computers if they locked it down. plus apps need other apps to be made. if it is locked down then there is 0 apps.
Man 1: How'd you lose your car man?
Man 2: Well, I let my 10 year old son on my computer when I wasn't home. He went into the App Store and accidentally bought AutoCAD.
Man 2: Well, I let my 10 year old son on my computer when I wasn't home. He went into the App Store and accidentally bought AutoCAD.
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If it is like on iPods, it will require password entry before each purchase ^
If it is like on iPods, it will require password entry before each purchase ^
Obviously my post was just a joke, but stuff like that does happen. If you watched the keynote you would have seen that there was one-click purchasing. No password was required.