IOS Lion is a warning of bad things to come.

[lewis82]

Obviously my post was just a joke, but stuff like that does happen. If you watched the keynote you would have seen that there was one-click purchasing. No password was required.

It's so much more elegant when showing it to thousands of persons

Also, it could be like in iOS (again), where you only need to enter it the first time. Subsequent purchases do not require password entry until a certain treshold is reached, or the internet connection shut down.

 

[wirelessmacuser]

This is fear mongering.

Not really.

The iPhone & iPad are low-powered devices with small screens, meant for non-advanced computing tasks.

True... thus far.

The Mac is not, so it won't have the same level of restriction.

I don't believe that nor do I trust Apple. Period.

This is the first step in dumbing down the Mac... sad but true.

I see the progression,
10.7 app store optional
10.8 app store mandatory

Generally speaking I'm very unhappy with the focus and direction of apple is going these days.

I concur.

I'm not only unhappy, I'm very concerned. It's looking more like dumbing them down like appliances so that as others have said, Grandma and Granny can use them. From Apples perspective it's just pure greed and profit taking.

The iPad was the first step. Apple was so successful in influencing people, even before it's debut, it was widely reported that when asked... many who planned on buying one weren't even sure what for. Now that is the power of Steve Jobs single area of true expertise... selling.

 

[AttilaTheHun]

My impressions from yesterday. I think I'll be staying on 10.6 Snow Leopard for a while. I don't see a reason to move to 10.7, Domesticated Shorthair, eh Lion.

Yes me too it look like MBP will stop to be computer it will be moltymedea.
so cool down as long as I can run my WIN 7 on my MBP I am on set.

 

[goobot]

Obviously my post was just a joke, but stuff like that does happen. If you watched the keynote you would have seen that there was one-click purchasing. No password was required.

because they are gana fill out a user id and password for the world to see? anyway i believe they do the same with ios demos

 

[TMar]

the ios devices were never open. not to mention apple wont sell any more computers if they locked it down. plus apps need other apps to be made. if it is locked down then there is 0 apps.

Yes, it's obvious that the iOS was never open. The point was that Apple's trend is that they are gaining more and more control while the user is slowly losing their ability to have any measure of control. iOS was built off of OS X but look at the figures. ~4 million macs sold to ~27 million iOS devices and now it's coming full circle and the iOS is influencing OS x development. Can we really say be blame them, go with what work right?

We all ways knew the line between the two platforms would become blurred at some point. I for one thought that it would be somewhere in the middle but it's seems the line is favoring the iOS at this point. If Apple keeps with the development trend they are on in 3 years time your Mac will be mostly locked down.


Your other points made absolutely no sense but I'll hit on them. 'Apple wont sell any more computer if they locked it down'. The ipad outsold all macs last quarter, need I say more? 'apps need other apps to be made' What? Hello, xcode on the app store, download it, make apps, put them on the app store. No need to have an open platform for that to work.

 

[VPrime]

'apps need other apps to be made' What? Hello, xcode on the app store, download it, make apps, put them on the app store. No need to have an open platform for that to work.

Xcode alone is not enough to write programs, games, and other apps.
Also, xcodes included tool set (along with the termina, which I personal consider part of ANY developer tool set) is what makes the OS open.

There are you have to do when developing apps that require an open OS.. an OS that gives you full access.

So.. to wrap up.
You give users xcode and the termina...... You give users Freeeeeedommmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!

 

[goobot]

Your other points made absolutely no sense but I'll hit on them. 'Apple wont sell any more computer if they locked it down'. The ipad outsold all macs last quarter, need I say more?

the ipad is in a different market and different price range than a mac. if a mac gets locked down people are sure as hell are gana jump/stay on windows.

 

[HLdan]

the ipad is in a different market and different price range than a mac. if a mac gets locked down people are sure as hell are gana jump/stay on windows.

Doubt that it will get locked and double doubt that people will jump back on Windows. It's not like people don't have Mac software. Besides Windows 7 is so 1995 against just the small features shown in Lion.

 

[goobot]

double doubt that people will jump back on Windows. I

it has happened before. and if apple screws up again, it will happen again.

 

[Big Dave]

The worry is not all about the app store on the Mac. The worry is Steve showing slides of merging the iphone with the iPad and now the Mac. Those are the slides that bother me. The Mac is a tool and the iPad and iPhone are toys. Keep them separate.

 

[dejo]

it has happened before.

It has? Please elaborate.

 

[TMar]

the ipad is in a different market and different price range than a mac. if a mac gets locked down people are sure as hell are gana jump/stay on windows.

Different price range? The most expensive wi-fi ipad and a non-contract iPhone is the same price as the cheapest mac and the cheapest 3g ipad is almost the same price. Apple is doing a good job of blurring the lines between markets. While the ipad is an iOS device it is a tablet computer, with the emphasis on the last part of that.

You've got to look at it from Apple's perspective. iOS devices are outselling Macs plan and simple. So they must be doing something right on that platform that they're not doing on the other. Even if everyone did 'jump ship', what does it matter? Their focus as all ready switch to the iOS devices and they are beating that people will buy computers that are more iOS like.

 

[dukebound85]

The worry is not all about the app store on the Mac. The worry is Steve showing slides of merging the iphone with the iPad and now the Mac. Those are the slides that bother me. The Mac is a tool and the iPad and iPhone are toys. Keep them separate.

my iphone is a toy? funny how I use it as anything but

 

[goobot]

It has? Please elaborate.

late 1990's, only reason apple is around now is because Microsoft saved them

Different price range? The most expensive wi-fi ipad and a non-contract iPhone is the same price as the cheapest mac and the cheapest 3g ipad is almost the same price. Apple is doing a good job of blurring the lines between markets. While the ipad is an iOS device it is a tablet computer, with the emphasis on the last part of that.

You've got to look at it from Apple's perspective. iOS devices are outselling Macs plan and simple. So they must be doing something right on that platform that they're not doing on the other. Even if everyone did 'jump ship', what does it matter? Their focus as all ready switch to the iOS devices and they are beating that people will buy computers that are more iOS like.

most dont buy a mac mini. and most dont buy the high end models of ios devices. plus when people buy an iphone they are buying with a contract so they are paying 200-300. most apple computers are in the 1000-1500 range. compare that to a 200/500 dollar device. plus the ipad and mac do have different purposes. also there really isnt a competitive tablet market yet and the ipad is also an e-reader. another point is if you already have a computer most wouldnt update meanwhile the ipad is brand new so no one has one yet.

 

[TMar]

most dont buy a mac mini. and most dont buy the high end models of ios devices. plus when people buy an iphone they are buying with a contract so they are paying 200-300. most apple computers are in the 1000-1500 range. compare that to a 200/500 dollar device. plus the ipad and mac do have different purposes. also there really isnt a competitive tablet market yet and the ipad is also an e-reader. another point is if you already have a computer most wouldnt update meanwhile the ipad is brand new so no one has one yet.

It's not a big leap from a $6-700 3g ipad to a $999 macbook. The point is that the price points overlap in the different lineups. We have to admit that power users aren't the focus group of computer makes we use to be. The vast majority of macs sold are use to get on the internet, email, office tools, and maybe the occasional game. Those are the exact selling points for the ipad so I don't see where they have different purposes. While you and I might have different uses for our computer then for our devices, we are the minority in the bigger picture. For every mac sold for a 'different purpose' there is 100 sold that will only ever have safari/mail opened on it regardless of the fact that's it's capable of more, sad fact.

I think the competition isn't limited to tablets. Most people that are buying ipads are doing so over buying a laptop because it serves the purposes they were going to use the laptop for. 4.19 millions ipads sold last quarter, that's probably ~3.9 million laptops that didn't get bought.

 

[Weepul]

I'm not too worried by the inclusion of more consumer-focused features. So far, it hasn't looked like they will be mandatory to use. It's things like the possible replacement of useful scroll bars with rubber-bandy auto-hiding thin ones, which would make everyday use just a little more annoying if you use your computer more seriously, that are troubling. (Past examples: removal of the ability to navigate subdirectories from docked folders [although later reinstated], the blandification of home folder icons making visual recognition slower...)

In the end, though, even if "prosumer" and "professional" users are a minority, they still need to be considered important by Apple. Who makes the apps they market? Who produces the songs and the movies and the e-books? Which platform would Apple rather have them use? Which brand would Apple like to have them associate with? Which brand would Apple like power users to have so their less tech-savvy family and friends will buy the same brand so they can readily get help as necessary?

I'll be surprised if Apple does anything too utterly onerous to utilitarian usage, because Apple doesn't seem that stupid or suicidal. ...although the worst-case scenario is plausible: that the App and iTunes stores prove profitable enough to content creators that they are willing to put up with a toyish OS out of economic-driven necessity, leaving "prosumers" and power users on the shaft given by Apple...

Another possibility is the introduction of "OS X Pro", now with less annoying features!, but Apple has been pointedly staying away from making tiers of their desktop OS.

 

[aeaglex07]

if M$ were doing this there would be alot of "AntiTrust" ruckus

 

[netdog]

late 1990's, only reason apple is around now is because Microsoft saved them

Funny how people forget this.

Of course Gates wanted Microsoft to tower over all the others, but he has always applauded the Macintosh, and even copied it.

Yep, Gates saved Apple. There was no doubt about that. Their money and their commitment to the Mac platform was vital to Apple surviving.

 

[alent1234]

the ios devices were never open. not to mention apple wont sell any more computers if they locked it down. plus apps need other apps to be made. if it is locked down then there is 0 apps.

yes they will

apple isn't marketing to the young and hip anymore, now it's the baby boomers. my mom lives 2000 miles away and i look at her dell laptop when i see her. few years ago i installed logmein so i can do it remotely.

if she needs something i have to get on the phone, spell out a website to download a program, listen to her read crap, etc. with the mac app store old people will just use it to easily find software.

the whole iphoto is geared towards old people showing off pictures of their grand kids and family functions. when i got married my wife had the photographer make a wedding album book. after the keynote i was wondering if it would be cheaper next time to just buy a Mac and have Apple do it.

most of the luxury cars are driven by older people. once you get rid of your kids and pay off the house you have a lot of money lying around so people find ways to spend it. at the very least people in their 50's will make more than what they did while their housing costs will grow at a slower rate. Apple knows what they are doing.

 

[da-vid]

Ugh, seriously? Why is the Mac App Store controversial?

This is what's happening with the App Store: *no changes whatsoever* to how OS X works, but Apple is just rolling out a new marketplace that allows Mac users to more easily find and purchase applications.

You don't have to use it if you don't want to.

In fact, Steve Jobs explicitly stated during the keynote that this will only be "one" way -- "not the only" way -- to get apps for the Mac. Did everyone miss that or something?

Seriously. This is ridiculous. No further discussion needed.

 

[lewis82]

Ugh, seriously? Why is the Mac App Store controversial?

This is what's happening with the App Store: *no changes whatsoever* to how OS X works, but Apple is just rolling out a new marketplace that allows Mac users to more easily find and purchase applications.

You don't have to use it if you don't want to.

In fact, Steve Jobs explicitly stated during the keynote that this will only be "one" way -- "not the only" way -- to get apps for the Mac. Did everyone miss that or something?

Seriously. This is ridiculous. No further discussion needed.

For now there is no problem. As long as it is optional, I'm happy. But maybe, maybe, 10.8 will make this mandatory. I think it won't, but Apple has a known history of controversial decisions and yet they are still in business. There is a very slight possibility of this happening, in which case I'm downloading Ubuntu.

 

[unixperience]

Ugh, seriously? Why is the Mac App Store controversial?

This is what's happening with the App Store: *no changes whatsoever* to how OS X works, but Apple is just rolling out a new marketplace that allows Mac users to more easily find and purchase applications.
.........
Seriously. This is ridiculous. No further discussion needed.

slightly paraphrased hope I don't offend you

In any event I agree. i think the real problem is that he kept emphasizing like iOS iOS iOs if they just said, hey heres a mac apstore, most people wouldn't care, but once they put mac appstore and iOS in the same sentence they screwed themselves over, hence the mass panic, of locked down macs.

 

[Corndog5595]

slightly paraphrased hope I don't offend you

In any event I agree. i think the real problem is that he kept emphasizing like iOS iOS iOs if they just said, hey heres a mac apstore, most people wouldn't care, but once they put mac appstore and iOS in the same sentence they screwed themselves over, hence the mass panic, of locked down macs.

They showed that graph and people went, "oh ****."

 

[da-vid]

For now there is no problem. As long as it is optional, I'm happy. But maybe, maybe, 10.8 will make this mandatory. I think it won't, but Apple has a known history of controversial decisions and yet they are still in business. There is a very slight possibility of this happening, in which case I'm downloading Ubuntu.

And maybe, maybe, someone you know will become a serial killer and murder everyone in your neighborhood.

What's your point?

You're making completely baseless speculation. There is literally no semblance of evidence whatsoever to support your line of thought.

 

[kuwisdelu]

There were three arrows in that Mac/iPhone/iPad circle.

Is it impossible to consider that in addition to OS X getting some iOS features, maybe some of OS X's freedoms and power will eventually make its way to iOS?