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IOS Lion is a warning of bad things to come.

maflynn said:
I see the progression,

Generally speaking I'm very unhappy with the focus and direction of apple is going these days.
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You mean the direction of Opening stuff up and bring opportunities for developers as they do?

Yes the only way to Install native on the iDevices is via Apple and they aren't likely to open that up anytime soon*. Plus this move on the Mac is about promoting access to customers. Apple will keep them as their customers for various reasons good and bad, but it's still an extra opening.

If look a little deeper than just the surface then each new version of iOS has brought a more open development environment. Plus Apple have been sponsoring improvements to WebApps which are fully open, the whole time.

So I'm confused, if your unhappy, and would like them to reverse direction, does that mean you want them to be more closed, like the Original Mac Days?

*there are some fun ways around it like starting a co-op and buy an Enterprise Account or Jailbreaking take your pick.
 
MattInOz said:
If look a little deeper than just the surface then each new version of iOS has brought a more open development environment.
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It could just be that Apple is trying to bring developers from the iOS on to Mac OS X by providing an easier transition via Apple's guidance - The Mac App Store.
 
Time changes everything, including Harware and Software. The New Mac OSX Lion just goes with this change. Apple would be stupid not to take this course when it's obvious that it leads to success.
Pople that say Mac OSX becomes more like a toy are a bit frozen in time from my point of view.
 
Big Dave said:
I don't usually whine but here goes:
I think that Steve is steadily turning Macs from tools to toys. The app store on the Mac is one step in my opinion to take away the ability to develop your own tools. This might be a stretch, but think about how locked down the iPhone and iPad are. It won't be long until the Mac is on lockdown too. The terminal is on the endangered list in my opinion.
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I agree. Apple goes in direction to create toys because it is easier and they can earn more money via iTunes and control developers (AppStore) etc Thus we have iPad, iPod, iPhone.

Macs loose regularly all Pro attributes from the past - matte displays, express card slot. They still have lack of the newest technology BluRay, USB 3.0 etc We heard about stop selling XServe.

It is funny that such brave company like Apple started presentation of new OS describing changes in interface.
 
limo79 said:
I agree. Apple goes in direction to create toys because it is easier and they can earn more money via iTunes and control developers (AppStore) etc Thus we have iPad, iPod, iPhone.

Macs loose regularly all Pro attributes from the past - matte displays, express card slot. They still have lack of the newest technology BluRay, USB 3.0 etc We heard about stop selling XServe.

It is funny that such brave company like Apple started presentation of new OS describing changes in interface.
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First point: Spot-on.

Second point: Spot-on about matte displays and expresscard slots. However, USB 3.0, as fast as it is, won't be needed on the Mac when Light Peak debuts. Personally, I wish Apple implemented Blu-Ray data support only, as watching BD movies doesn't appeal to me. There are upsides and downsides to Apple's approach to Blu-Ray, but I firmly believe Apple has a reason besides just the often-trotted iTunes ecosystem to skip it.
 
limo79 said:
I agree. Apple goes in direction to create toys because it is easier and they can earn more money via iTunes and control developers (AppStore) etc Thus we have iPad, iPod, iPhone.
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If it's so easy to create "toys" like the iPad, iPod, and iPhone, why have all attempts by other companies to make products that are as popular failed? Could it have something to do with the fact that they are all too complicated and packed with features that are useless to most people?

I would be as annoyed as anyone if the ability to run command line tools suddenly disappeared from Mac OS, but on the other hand, 95% of people who have Macs probably have no clue that Terminal or X11 even exists, so I can't really blame Apple for making a product that is more suited to the needs of the majority of its user base.

One day in the not-too-distant future most people will own computers that are way more like iPads than Macs in the sense that they could be considered an appliance rather than a computer by today's standards. All of the people freaking out about change in this forum might as well come to grips with this fact sooner rather than later.
 
Too simple?

Maybe it's just me, but I think this situation is much simpler than it's being made out to be. Apple isn't planning world domination by locking down Mac OS, that would be stupid. But one area where OSX, despite how amazing it is, falls short is software. There is such a large amount of software that is available for Windows and can be easily acquired. Mac software tends to be much more difficult to come by unless you live near an Apple Store or Apple reseller. Where I live it's a 1 hour drive to the nearest shop that sells Mac software. The App Store has proven to be a winning formula, so why not provide an easy way to get software in front of Mac users so they can easily purchase it?

For the average user, it's much less scary to give Apple your CC # and buy apps from the App Store (with the option to still goto an Apple Store and buy DVDs of software as well) than buy programs from Mac software companies websites that you may have never heard of, even if they're legit. It's all about attracting more developers, making users feel more secure, increasing the quantity of available Mac software, and growing the platform.

Apple's Mac sales are at all time highs every quarter... you really think they want to kill that by locking down the platform?
 
No other computer company has veered off into the entertainment arena like Apple. Using their brilliant marketing, their existing and unusually compliant fan base, they've proven the depth of their influence and persuasiveness. By dumbing down devices they've joined WalMart in the mainstream. Appealing to a very broad customer base with fool proof toys has paid them extremely well. As these same customers realize the smartphone is replacing the computer for those who didn't truly need a computer in the first place, Apple is well positioned. Apple's got the game of building toys for kids & adults down cold. It's a game of numbers, no one knows better than Jobs, the advantage of appealing to those who find a computer too overwhelming or too expensive.
 
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I don't get this whole pejorative "toys" label that so many people here give to iOS devices. If the Mac was locked down iOS style but still had desktop-class apps (i.e. Word, Pages, Excel, etc.) I guarantee you that 95% of people using them would still be able to do the same work on them that they currently do. I assume the people throwing the "toys" label around wouldn't apply it to an Android device, yet the people with those devices probably do exactly the same things with them that people with iOS devices do in 99% of cases.
 
I'm deciding on migrating to Mac and this freaked me out ! I never thought of Apple being so stealthy and evil !

I would definitely welcome the Mac Store as a channel to get orthodox softwares, but there must be a little back door where we deal with other businesses. For example, I got an indispensable makeshift application on my Windows that corrects faulty mp3 files and which if Windows ever disapproved of, I would abandon the computer altogether.
 
xxxamazexxx said:
I'm deciding on migrating to Mac and this freaked me out ! I never thought of Apple being so stealthy and evil !

I would definitely welcome the Mac Store as a channel to get orthodox softwares, but there must be a little back door where we deal with other businesses. For example, I got an indispensable makeshift application on my Windows that corrects faulty mp3 files and which if Windows ever disapproved of, I would abandon the computer altogether.
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Don't listen to FUD these people are spewing. Get a Mac and you'll love it. People on this forum are famous for their negative overreactions.
 
Big Dave said:
I don't usually whine but here goes:
I think that Steve is steadily turning Macs from tools to toys. The app store on the Mac is one step in my opinion to take away the ability to develop your own tools. This might be a stretch, but think about how locked down the iPhone and iPad are. It won't be long until the Mac is on lockdown too. The terminal is on the endangered list in my opinion.
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It's a stretch.

We barely know anything about Lion. Really we probably only know what Apple figured the folks in Redwood couldn't copy quickly.

Lion is going to be great, and nobody is locking down the Mac. For developers, however, the Mac App Store is going to be great. It will drive a lot of sales.
 
If Apple locks down Mac OS, I'm going back to Linux. That being said. Steve Jobs isn't stupid...
 
Am I seriously the only person on this forum with the mental capacity to see that the 'App Store' which will be included on 10.7 is basically going to be a fancy version of the application repository system on linux.

Like this:
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thomasslaughter said:
Am I seriously the only person on this forum with the mental capacity to see that the 'App Store' which will be included on 10.7 is basically going to be a fancy version of the application repository system on linux.

Like this:
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Linux has 800 app repository systems, 800000 repositories and 80000 versions of the same app packaged for each of those repository systems and each linux distribution out there. It's a big ****ing mess.
 
No I told my wife Linux has been doing this for awhile now LOL.

hachre said:
Linux has 800 app repository systems, 800000 repositories and 80000 versions of the same app packaged for each of those repository systems and each linux distribution out there. It's a big ****ing mess.
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I don't think that apple will take the direction that everyone is thinking it will. Apple is definitely money hungry, we all know that, and all of our wallets know that. But it would be extremely difficult to make it so that apple users can only download stuff from the mac store. People will always make Mac compatible software and put it out on the internet. And as far as for developing on the Mac, apple would have to be seriously stupid in order to cut all developing applications from mac users. It's just not logically economical for apple to do that sort of a thing. Maybe one day that type of a thing will happen, but definitely not for a while
 
goobot said:
late 1990's, only reason apple is around now is because Microsoft saved them
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Do you REALLY think Microsoft invested 500 million dollars into Apple to save their competition? If so, I'd hate to see how fast your business fell if you started one. Microsoft knew that Apple was going uphill when Steve Jobs came back and I'm sure he had some sort of inside knowledge of the soon to be released Macintosh, so investing in Apple stock wouldn't really seem like a saving grace if you look at it that way would it? It's just smart business.
 
I dont know why there is so much confusion about the Mac App Store. If you really think about it, the APP STORE was what made Apple what it is today(*).

The iPads and the iPhones arent magical and revolutionary. Its the Apps that make them so. And having tried the App Store they became instant hits and finally Apple knew a way to sell its products to the masses. Remember this is a 30 + year old company that has constantly struggled with its demons(jobs and his eccentric ways).

So what made Apple tick after 30 years? Was it the MacOSX? Was it NeXT? Was it Unix underneath that OS X? Was it the eye candy of the OSX? Was it the sunflower like Mac? None of it. It was the frigging App Store.

Developers around the world, made Apple a household name. Its more like a open source project with revenue and "open" is a metaphor.

Having said that, i have always wondered why the Mac has languished while their other products took off and even joked among friends who had mac's that time that their machine was going to become one huge iTunes/App Store brick and forget all that regular computing stuff.

I think Apple wants to share some of its "magic" or success in the Mac side of things by brining the App Store. Finally thousands of brilliant developers for Mac will see the light of day. I love my Onyx App and cant believe its free.

Its about time these developers got paid for their work and this success is crucial for Apple to cement their position for their initial dream, which is to "put a computer in everyones home" a mac that is.

Windows was successful for this very reason. OS Lion is a roar that Mac is back in the game with Microsoft to win the hearts and minds of average people when it comes to desktops. While Microsoft has already captured the world, its only natural for the empire to eventually collapse under its own weight and Apple wants to be right there when it happens.

I personally dont care for the ease or simplicity of the Mac Store Apps. I can find my way around. But if its so easy for anyone to download a App and enjoy it like they do on their iPads/iPhones, i think its a good start.

Whats an app store for the mac anyways? A glorified "Dashboard" as we know it.
 
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but the fear is that ONLY apple approved app's can be installed in the future , a very small step away of getting told what you are allowed to install on your Mac and what not , which would actually be a good thing , finally a way for authorities to control what every Mac user is doing on their Mac , its only a small step away , think of it the next step is that app's can only be installed via the app store and by no other means
it then comes down to local laws , when you get a message
"sorry this app is not allowed to be installed in your country "

like you get already these messages when just watching youtube when you cant listen music in a video there because of copyright issues in certain countries ,
so some countries could do the same with the app store ..limit access to certain apps
 
The way I saw it is that the MAC store is a great opportunity to increase the software librray on the MAC platform. People will be creating MAC apps and games, like they do on the app store for the iPad and iPhone. Lets face it, the OSX platform is lacking in software titles, and the MAC Store should help get round that.

Now, I dont understand why people assume the normal MAC interface will be over-run with an iOS interface??
From the videos Ive seen, the MAC interface stays almost the same. You have an extra icon in the dock to launch the MAC store (which will be available to Snow Leopard users also), and you have an extra icon which launches the iOS type interface, where you can easily see and run your apps. Where is the mention of the standard finder interface etc vanishing???

From what I see, Lion is an update to Snow Leopard, with the additon of a few modules, such as the MAC store, the iOS interface launcher, and some other extra features such as the way we view which applications we have open etc.

So why the fuss??
Am I missing some major announcement or something?
 
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