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I can't understand that either. I am with apple forever simply because I am 4 years into the icloud and there is no turning back.

Its pretty easy to switch over since Google got an dedicated app for everything iCloud does.

Google Drive
Google Photos
Google Music
Contacts
Calendar

Pretty easy unless you paid money for itunes content obviously which i personally dont unless an episode was free
 
Apple's piece of the smartphone ecosystem market fell in eight total territories during the August-October 2017 timeframe, according to new data tracked by Kantar Worldpanel. Echoing numerous stories from earlier this fall that reported people were waiting for the iPhone X....
Why would the market share drop vs just remain steady ? People weren't switching to Android for 2-3 months while they waited for the X to become available.
 
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Steve Jobs addressed this issue in one of his prior videos about the importance of attaining marketshare over greedy profit. Without marketshare developers will abandon the ecosystem and it will start looking like a graveyard with lack of app updates, variety and quality.
 
Apple lost market share because of the wait for iPhone X and because iPhone 8 is too expensive!
 
Steve Jobs addressed this issue in one of his prior videos about the importance of attaining marketshare over greedy profit. Without marketshare developers will abandon the ecosystem and it will start looking like a graveyard with lack of app updates, variety and quality.
Android's market share has pretty much always been quite a bit larger than that of iOS (similar to how it works with macOS and Windows), but doesn't seem like much has happened to apps and the ecosystem suffering with all of that being like that for a long time.
 
It makes me wonder what drives people to buy new phones. I held on to my SE until Apple's new devices hit the market, and then tried them out to decide which one would work best for me. If this article is to be believed, people dumped Apple's eco-system -- even though their iPhones probably worked just fine -- simply because Apple didn't crank out a new device fast enough for them. To me it seems like jumping back and forth between Apple and Android would be more of a headache than it's worth (unless those iPhone users are mostly using Google's services anyway).
I think you may be misunderstanding what the Kantar report is claiming and how market share actually works. It's claiming Apple lost market share because people were waiting for the X, not because people switched to Android. The OS market share is not a 1:1 correlation with the sales of an individual company. It starts with the total number of phones sold. The iPhone could lose market share whether it increased or decreased sales YoY. Here's a very simple example:
2016 - 100 phones sold total. 58 Android. 39 iOS. 3 Windows. 1 Other. Market shares are 58-39-3-1.
2017 - 125 phones sold total. 75 Android. 44 iOS. 4 Windows. 2 Other. Market shares are 60-35.2-3.2-1.6

iPhone sales were up, market share went down. No one has to jump back and forth or even switch at all. So you really can't draw the conclusion you did.
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Funny, almost everyone i encounter has an iPhone, yet I know android sells more devices. Must be a demographic thing...
Or more likely a confirmation bias thing. You own it, so you notice it more. Same thing happens in all of our lives. Most famously quoted is probably "I purchased x car and now I see it everywhere."
 
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The market share they lost here it's not because people were waiting for the X, but for proper Macs, at this point clearly not a Cook priority, so bye iOS as well.
 
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I think you may be misunderstanding what the Kantar report is claiming and how market share actually works. It's claiming Apple lost market share because people were waiting for the X, not because people switched to Android. The OS market share is not a 1:1 correlation with the sales of an individual company. It starts with the total number of phones sold. The iPhone could lose market share whether it increased or decreased sales YoY. Here's a very simple example:
2016 - 100 phones sold total. 58 Android. 39 iOS. 3 Windows. 1 Other. Market shares are 58-39-3-1.
2017 - 125 phones sold total. 75 Android. 44 iOS. 4 Windows. 2 Other. Market shares are 60-35.2-3.2-1.6

iPhone sales were up, market share went down. No one has to jump back and forth or even switch at all. So you really can't draw the conclusion you did.
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Or more likely a confirmation bias thing. You own it, so you notice it more. Same thing happens in all of our lives. Most famously quoted is probably "I purchased x car and now I see it everywhere."

Nope. Almost everyone I text it gets sent as iMessage, and in person I always check out what phone a person uses for a variety of reasons.
 
I can't understand that either. I am with apple forever simply because I am 4 years into the icloud and there is no turning back.

Seriously.. no matter what Apple does you will just keep buying their stuff? I think that is what's called being (or feeling) trapped. I was all Apple a year ago, and now I'm nearly using nothing that is Apple. Its really not that hard. I don't like being trapped and captive with any company, and if you are all in with Apple, that is precisely what you are. Want a new Mac Mini type solution... keep waiting.

Has a lot to do with what cellular providers are pushing. I have seen these employees pushing Samsung Galaxy 8 really hard. From what I understand, this is the main sales channel (at least in the US) so it would make sense. Not sure why these cellular retail shops are specifically pushing Galaxy S8 and Note but if I had to guess, it is because they have inventory to move. Sales pitches usually included lines like Galaxy “can do more”. If I were not familiar with phones, this would be convincing enough.

It is convincing because its true, depending on what your needs are. I can do things on a Note 8 that I can't do on an iPhone. I think your statement is the 180 degrees from the truth. Many iPhone buyers buy one because that's all they know, and wouldn't easily be able to transition to another platform. My wife clearly falls into this category. People more familiar with different phones are more likely to buy something else.

Also, I doubt what the cellular providers are pushing is having much of an impact on iPhone sales. At least in the US, I'm guessing that a large share of them are sold through Apple Stores. They are pretty much everywhere. The alternative devices don't have a comparable channel. So people are buying either at a carrier or a place like Best Buy.
 
Can we stop with the attention seeking posts that are trying to justify their not purchasing an iPhone X?
 
Hah! How much money can you make by selling a phone for $50.00 ? Unless the carrier is paying the difference to the manufacturer, it’s either a loss or garbage.

It's not a matter of hardware devices, but Operating System.. in this case : Windows, Android , iOS.
got it ?
 
Market share. A meaningless statistic unless you break it down.

Sales of $50 Android phones shouldn’t be compared to $400-1000 iPhones.
Market share percentage and growth mean everything to big investors. Any article telling of iPhone market share loss will hurt Apple's share price even if it's a knee-jerk reaction. Why else would these reports matter so much? It's a fact that Apple's smartphone profit share is still growing but Wall Street doesn't care about that. It's like when Amazon sells a couple of million Echo Dots and Wall Street praises Amazon endlessly for leading in market share when profits for Echo Dots are next to nothing at $30. There's just something about market share percentage that intrigues Wall Street even if the company isn't making much revenue or profits from it. Go figure. If Apple sells 80 to 90 million iPhones in a quarter, they'd make more revenue and profits than a half-dozen Chinese manufacturers combined.
 
The market share they lost here it's not because people were waiting for the X, but for proper Macs, at this point clearly not a Cook priority, so bye iOS as well.
And you have seen evidence of this where? Because when I look at Apple's 4th Quarter results I see increases in iPhone, Mac and iPad sales, not a decline. Never mind Apple's projected forecast setting Apple up for a new record earnings and sales.

I think the facts definitely contradict your (and many others) assertions of doom and gloom. Sucks when facts get in the way but I do understand that is the trend these days, "damn the actual facts, here is what I feel is happening."
 
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It's not a matter of hardware devices, but Operating System.. in this case : Windows, Android , iOS.
got it ?
Market share percentage and growth mean everything to big investors. Any article telling of iPhone market share loss will hurt Apple's share price even if it's a knee-jerk reaction. Why else would these reports matter so much? It's a fact that Apple's smartphone profit share is still growing but Wall Street doesn't care about that. It's like when Amazon sells a couple of million Echo Dots and Wall Street praises Amazon endlessly for leading in market share when profits for Echo Dots are next to nothing at $30. There's just something about market share percentage that intrigues Wall Street even if the company isn't making much revenue or profits from it. Go figure. If Apple sells 80 to 90 million iPhones in a quarter, they'd make more revenue and profits than a half-dozen Chinese manufacturers combined.

Wall Street is like a child who’s thinks that by having 100 pennies he’s richer that the child who has 10 quarters.
 
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Market share percentage and growth mean everything to big investors. ... If Apple sells 80 to 90 million iPhones in a quarter, they'd make more revenue and profits than a half-dozen Chinese manufacturers combined.
And yet Apple stock is up so far today. Maybe knees have not had the opportunity to jerk yet? Let's see what happens over the next couple days but I don't think investors who are in the long game are concerned about this whereas we saw a big drop (albeit temporary) when the Mac OS Root security flaw was widely publicized. As to your second assertion, you are headed in the right direction but still woefully short of the reality. Apple captured 79% of all smartphone profits last March (most recent report I could find) so it's not about just some Chinese manufacturers, it is EVERYONE, including Samsung.
 
I personally like and use IOS (iPhone 6S) but I think Apple will continue to see a decline against Android on a worldwide basis because we will continue to see more Android phones released at a better value.

The iPhone X is positioned to be a luxury device and isn't trying to compete in the value category. Most of the lost market share mentioned in this article was likely due to people in the luxury camp waiting for the release of the iPhone X.
 
Market share percentage and growth mean everything to big investors. Any article telling of iPhone market share loss will hurt Apple's share price even if it's a knee-jerk reaction. Why else would these reports matter so much? It's a fact that Apple's smartphone profit share is still growing but Wall Street doesn't care about that. It's like when Amazon sells a couple of million Echo Dots and Wall Street praises Amazon endlessly for leading in market share when profits for Echo Dots are next to nothing at $30. There's just something about market share percentage that intrigues Wall Street even if the company isn't making much revenue or profits from it. Go figure. If Apple sells 80 to 90 million iPhones in a quarter, they'd make more revenue and profits than a half-dozen Chinese manufacturers combined.
No, the investors does not care about market share, they care about numbers of iPhones sold (read the earnings reports and listen to conference calls) Thats is one of the most important numbers in Apples report and a number that market analysts makes estimates of. If Apple fails to deliver on the market expectations the stock market react negatively.

The total market share for Apple has gone down for many years since the global smartphone market is increasing more than Apple does. Alot of cheap budget phones are being sold and Apple does not have anything in that category. But again, as long as Apple can atleast maintain or preferably beat its Y-o-Y sales figures the market is "happy", even if their smartphone market share goes down.
 
Apple led the windowing desktop revolution with the Macintosh, they were the first, but they were expensive and eventually Microsoft eclipsed them. Today, Microsoft windows dominates the worldwide desktop market. The same could end up happening with IOS; Apple pioneered the modern day smartphone with IOS, but Android is gaining ground.

Android is gaining ground? I could have believed you if you were saying that back in th early 2010s. Nowadays it’s mostly a stalemate in terms of market share. Apple has pretty much stuck to that 15%-20% range for the past 5 years. Andoid is certainly gaining, but only because other smaller players are being squeezed out.
 
Surely the only way you can ‘lose’ market share is for your competitors to ‘gain’ market share, ergo people are buying your competitors handsets and NOT waiting for the iPhone X!!!
No, its not the only way. Apple would still be losing market share if the people wanting to get a new Android phone bought their phones but people wanting to get an iPhone was holding out for the X (like I was). These people were not included in this report since the X was not on sale yet.
 
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