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We know what Steve jobs would have said?

"I don't know what these other phones are doing. But people love the iPhone."
 
I feel sad when I have friends who talk about "Well this blah blah blah tablet is like $200 cheaper than an iPad!" I almost always want to respond with, "Yep. It's $200 CHEAPER than an iPad. I can get a bicycle for much less than a motorcycle, but they look very similar. However, one is going to get me much farther in the same amount of time."

But it is not a bicycle/motorcycle comparison. :p

Nexus 5 cost 1/2 price of 5s but is equal (or even better) in specs and certainly can do more. To me, you are just bragging about paying more for the same thing.

And don't use the "ios just work better" argument. It only holds water if all you other stuff are apple proprietary. To someone who is not invested in the Apple eco-system it is more like "it just doesnt work".
 
This explanation is often given when web statistics are given between iOS and Android, but without any actual evidence to back it up.
The majority of Android users are going to use the stock browser, Chrome or "Browser" if they're somewhat old-school. Most people are not going to change the browser user agent settings. And then of course, there are dozens of iOS browsers which can also spoof their user agent. Do you have proof that no one used iCab with an IE 9 user agent to purchase anything?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the numbers are negligible for both sides, and what we're dealing with is mostly the stock browser on both platforms.
Chrome is the default browser. The 'Browser' you mention is the default browser on AOSP ROMs simply because they can not include Chrome by default nor any of the other Google apps. In those cases, the users tend to be more technically savvy so they're probably using Dolphin, Firefox, Opera or the Chrome Beta app anyways.
 
This can't mean anything. In the other article we see that Windows 7 has the biggest market share. Thats all that matters, right?
 
Chrome is the default browser. The 'Browser' you mention is the default browser on AOSP ROMs simply because they can not include Chrome by default nor any of the other Google apps. In those cases, the users tend to be more technically savvy so they're probably using Dolphin, Firefox, Opera or the Chrome Beta app anyways.

Not true. Chrome is not installed on a Galaxy. I just reset my Note II (and before you assume something, it was because I was rooted and wanted to install an official update) and I had to manually install it.

I'll throw out my theory. Soccer Moms are more likely to shop. Soccer Moms are more likely to use an iPhone due to its simplicity. Much more likely for a soccer mom to be out shopping for anything other than electronics on BF.
 
Umm, I think the 5s is outselling the 5c , so price is NOT the issue

Price is definitely an issue otherwise the 5C would sell very sell. It's not because "people don't need low cost products" but "5c is not cheap enough to make it worthwhile"

It's the same old argument "for only $100 more you can go with 5s and enjoy a faster chip, Touch ID and better material"

Now let's imagine Apple sells 5C starts from $399 off contract. Meaning it costs $150 less than the cheapest 5S..

Do you think 5C would do as poor as today?
Do you think 5S would sell as well as today?
Would that drive customers toward 5s or 5c? It's $150 difference for a "mere" touch ID and slightly better processor. See?
 
Price is definitely an issue otherwise the 5C would sell very sell. It's not because "people don't need low cost products" but "5c is not cheap enough to make it worthwhile"

It's the same old argument "for only $100 more you can go with 5s and enjoy a faster chip, Touch ID and better material"

Now let's imagine Apple sells 5C starts from $399 off contract. Meaning it costs $150 less than the cheapest 5S..

Do you think 5C would do as poor as today?
Do you think 5S would sell as well as today?
Would that drive customers toward 5s or 5c? It's $150 difference for a "mere" touch ID and slightly better processor. See?

If the 5C was $399, it would be $250 cheaper than the 5S. That would bring it closer Google Nexus 5 territory here in the US and I bet at that price it would sell much better here and abroad.
 
If the 5C was $399, it would be $250 cheaper than the 5S. That would bring it closer Google Nexus 5 territory here in the US and I bet at that price it would sell much better here and abroad.

You are correct. It's a $250 difference and I would think it will sell like hotcakes which I believe would outsell the 5s in no time.
 
You are correct. It's a $250 difference and I would think it will sell like hotcakes which I believe would outsell the 5s in no time.

I would think it would sell like even tastier hotcakes if it was free without a contract. Plus Apple could save money by not producing as many of the iPhone 5S!

:D
 
"Though Apple's iOS market share numbers have fallen behind Android in the past year, the platform still leads for Black Friday shopping."

Perhaps it's Apple's exorbitant pricing that accounts for both? Just sayin'...
 
That was my thought, too. Given the dominance of Android devices, I have to wonder what all those Android owners are actually doing with their devices. Obviously, not shopping online...

A huge number of android phones are just cheap crappy smartphones, owned by people without the need and the possibility to buy online ....

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iOS > Android any day... This just proves that there are many viruses on Android devices and users are afraid to buy anything. Keeping that aside, anybody wanna play some football with me?

I don't think viruses have anything to do with those statistics ...
It's just a different user base.
 
Chrome is the default browser. The 'Browser' you mention is the default browser on AOSP ROMs simply because they can not include Chrome by default nor any of the other Google apps. In those cases, the users tend to be more technically savvy so they're probably using Dolphin, Firefox, Opera or the Chrome Beta app anyways.

If you're installing custom ROMs and then NOT loading gapps, you're doing it wrong.
 
I would think it would sell like even tastier hotcakes if it was free without a contract. Plus Apple could save money by not producing as many of the iPhone 5S!

:D

LOL that may be a bit stretched :D
But my point is 5C is too expensive so less people is buying it. It's not because "price is not an issue". It definitely is and because both are expensive, most consumers might as well just go with the 5S, suck the price down and call it a day.

I personally love the 5C design, it definitely nice and warm to look at, easier to hold with curvy back while 5S is cold and sharp, maybe a bit too cold.
But I definitely hate 5C price, and also colors. If the yellow 5C is Lamborghini-like yellow and the red one is like product-RED red, that would be awesome.

I think $399 off contract is the sweet spot. It priced accordingly with 64GB iPod Touch but it's 16GB and a phone. That way I wouldn't miss Touch ID and A7 chip too much. It's $250 difference for F sake. I could live without those definitely :D
 
Let me ask you one other thing. This web statistics is gotten from where? Most probably U.S sites on US servers serving English pages. Go to an Asian country and get the statistics there and you will the opposite result. And you probably know that the rest of the world has moved on to Android.

Is Japan an Asian country? Because iOS seems to be doing pretty well there. In any case, your assertion has nothing to do with Black Friday. In the US market share is fairly close between the two platforms, but iOS has a huge lead for Black Friday shopping. Not sure what any Asian countries have to do with the discussion in any case.
 
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LOL that may be a bit stretched :D
But my point is 5C is too expensive so less people is buying it.

But that's just a silly point. You can say that about any product. As my last post illustrated, even more people would buy it if it was free without contract. And even more if Apple paid you to take one.

It definitely is and because both are expensive, most consumers might as well just go with the 5S, suck the price down and call it a day.

And why is that bad for Apple?

I think $399 off contract is the sweet spot.

That may be what you think, but you certainly aren't taking into account any sort of business strategy.

"Hey, Verizon! You know that extra $50 you give us in phone subsidies when you give away an iPhone for free on a two-year contract? Why don't you just keep that? Your shareholders will appreciate it more. We'd rather destroy our own margins, so that we can do more work for less money." :eek:
 
Chrome is the default browser. The 'Browser' you mention is the default browser on AOSP ROMs simply because they can not include Chrome by default nor any of the other Google apps. In those cases, the users tend to be more technically savvy so they're probably using Dolphin, Firefox, Opera or the Chrome Beta app anyways.

If you notice I mentioned "old school", obviously before Google started including Chrome, there was only Browser. But it doesn't change my point really, the vast majority of users of both platforms are going to be using the default browser (whatever it is) with the default user agent, which is not that of a desktop computer. If you have any statistics that prove that a significant number of the Android using population uses an alternate browser with a non "Android" user agent, and those people did a significant amount of Black Friday shopping, I'd like to hear it.
 
So let me get this straight.. you guys are happy that people buy more stuff on iOS devices over Android devices? May I ask why? This constant fanboy flag planting **** is ruining what we all really love. Why must you chose sides?

Agreed. Only those with vested interests and fanboys care.

Sane people want healthy competition.

A tablet is extremely useful screen real estate for widgets and the iPad just doesn't have them.

Any real world examples of the widgets you use and how they're useful? Genuine question - it's something that intrigues me.

I really like the way side by side apps on the Surface take advantage of screen real estate (one of the few things I would like to see transferred from Windows to iOS) - but I can't see the benefit of having widgets on the homescreen.

Within the Notification Centre for glanceble info yes - weather, calender, reminders and stocks we already have on the iPhone - I'd welcome it if Apple opened this up to allow more of this galncebale data. But I'm struggling to see why I'd want want widgets on the homescreen - what use case does it fulfill? 99.9% of the time I'm within an app - I don't really want to close it down to see widgets on the homescreen - pulling the Notification Centre down and seeing info fits well as I can quickly return to the app without disrupting workflow.

And don't give me this Eco-system **** either. The apps I use everyday are both on my Nexus 7 and my iPad. We use Kindle for books, Evernote, Netflix, Amazon prime for movies and such and you can do it all from both. I have to say that if you buy all of your **** from just Apple.. you're an idiot and you're overpaying.

Well here is the **** from me to you - ecosystem is one of the reasons I pay more for my Apple devices.

It's good that the apps you use are on both platforms. But that's not the case for everyone - especially the higher end apps. Also ecosystem is more than just apps - it's everthing that links to your device.

Ecosystem covers all sorts. Accesories - docks, game controllers, cases etc. It's the Apple Store network I can pop into and get free support/replacements. It's the 3rd party repair network which supports all iOS devices well. It also obviously include apps - things like Procreate, Paper, GargeBand, Cubasis etc. are leagues ahead of what's available on other tablets. It's the bustling resale community allowing you to recoup a decent chunk of your initial outloay due to solid resale value.

iOS devices are part of the richest ecosystem - that's just fact.

Furthermore... people who spend money on black Friday are not the kind of folks I want to model my life after. Perhaps morons who are willing to overpay for **** prefer Apple exclusively.

What's wrong with getting something cheaper? Especially whern it's online.

You're not overpaying for anything - value is subjective. Google makes next to no money off the hardware - they make it via ads in the software and services. Apple make next to no money off software and services - they make it via the hardware. 2 different strategies - both viable. Also don't forget the Apple Store network has to be factored into the cost of the products - that's an overhead Google doesn't have.

I am exclusively Apple - not because I'm a moron (I hope) - but because of the blend of quality hardware, software, support and high resale value that owning an Apple device brings.

I bought the original Nexus 7 for my parents (mostly because I wanted to play with it) - but the thing ground to a halt within 6 months - it was next to unusable (a well document issue with that model). I sold it and bought them an OG iPad mini and an Apple TV instead - for their basic uses it's a much better setup.
 
This can't mean anything. In the other article we see that Windows 7 has the biggest market share. Thats all that matters, right?

If Windows is ahead it doesn't count. Popularity or market share etc only count if Apple is ahead. :D


Disclaimer: This is intended to be a humorous post.
 
But that's just a silly point. You can say that about any product. As my last post illustrated, even more people would buy it if it was free without contract. And even more if Apple paid you to take one.



And why is that bad for Apple?



That may be what you think, but you certainly aren't taking into account any sort of business strategy.

"Hey, Verizon! You know that extra $50 you give us in phone subsidies when you give away an iPhone for free on a two-year contract? Why don't you just keep that? Your shareholders will appreciate it more. We'd rather destroy our own margins, so that we can do more work for less money." :eek:

So you as a CUSTOMER are willing to pay whatever Apple asks you for? Even if it is a bit stretched too high? You really love Apple that much?

It is not the first time for Apple to make a miscalculation about price. Look at the first gen MBA. It was slow, clunky, only have one USB port and cost about $2000 for a tiny bit lightness.
Then there was also powerCube. Oh yes that thing sells millions at the time, right? :rolleyes:
So yeah selling product astronomically high margin is ALWAYS great for shareholder and Apple business :rolleyes:

I am not asking it to be free. Merely suggesting what could be the right price for it. I don't care about business strategy and shareholder here as long as I get a good phone at a good PRICE. It's not my job to understand.

And you know what?
Good balance between margin and pricing = everybody happy.
 
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