How about they do what Android did? Uncouple the core apps (Camera, Mail, Messages, Siri, etc) from the OS itself and allow those to be developed/worked on separately from the OS and updated via the app store. They could then have an APP team and an OS team and release major versions of apps outside of core OS functions.
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iOS Team: STOP THE ANNUAL UPDATES
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See the problem is Apple probaly doesn't give a **** about slow iOS 8 adoption. Just one less thing to brag about later in the year. But I completely agree with you. I am sick and tired of bugs and dropped frames and all that ****. If Apple want to release iOS 9 next year fine. But I want it to be iOS 8 with a ton of fixes. No features. The code is basically going to be iOS 8. So much so that there won't even need to be a developer beta over the summer. Thats probably not going to happen but it would be nice.
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Hmm. Not fond of the idea.
Why? Just because Android does it or is there an actual reason? I mean, not having to wait 6 months to fix small bugs in specific apps is a huge benefit. Presumably, it would not even change the way Apple develops the apps. I assume app dev teams fix bugs internally, but are held back from pushing updates because they have to wait on the iOS release schedule. As for iOS users, there would be no difference in experience except stock apps would get app updates periodically.
Damn man you guys complain for everything. We all know that Apple isn't perfect & their trying their best to fix iOS 8. Give them a break, you guys thinks its easy to release an update. Its actually hard because they have to see fix all the important bugs first then fix the other bugs. Just give them so time man
Jumping to conclusions much? I just find it odd that an app I associate with the OS would be updated separate of the OS. That's all....
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Why should we? Do you know how much this stuff cost? Do you know how much Apple makes? Apple can afford to hire some more staff. God knows that the software team needs to be bigger.
I see your point of view that apples needs a bigger staff but its difficult to keep releasing update. Maybe you never know thay they are working on a huge update right now. It's not easy going throught every bug and finding a fix for it, its kinda complicated so understand that.
Are you aware that in your attempt to defend Annual Upgrades then you have just explained why Annual Updates are bad?
(...also worth noting is that you're slamming people for complaining while complaining about people)
Thus why this is a thread about not having a huge update every year. Honestly I rather have less features and a flawless OS then a ton of features and a OS full of bugs and dropped frame rates.
All these people do is complain. Acting like Apple's not trying
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Be happy that Apple is helping us, All you do is complain, smh.
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No **** people complain this isn't exceptable! Maybe Apple "trying" but it's not good enough. This is a public release OS not a beta.
I actually wonder sometimes whether they think of the "release" as a public beta.
Wow. You lost your cool by defending a company for having a flawed product? ha. Please keep going because this is some strange behavior that you're displaying.
(BTW. NOBODY is saying Apple isn't trying. The point of the thread is that Apples efforts would be better served if focused on a single path and refining an ongoing product rather than jumping tracks annually just to fit a schedule. You actually agree with the complaints, you're just so angry that you don't realize it)
iOS Team: STOP THE ANNUAL UPDATES
Knowing about a bug and knowing how to fix it are two completely different things. For example Apple knows there's a problem with Wifi in iOS 8,'but if they knew how to fix it, it would have been fixed in iOS 8.0.1/2 and Apple engineering wouldn't have their senior support advisors reaching out to customers (like me) to get logging data on the problem.
I'm a software developer (not iOS) and I've never once had a problem with having too much data about a problem. Usually it's the opposite.
As for iOS 8, basically it was a complete overhaul of iOS and they only had 5 months to do it. Apple has no automated test tools. All testing is done by hand. It's a wonder iOS 8 even runs at all.
Knowing about a bug and knowing how to fix it are two completely different things. For example Apple knows there's a problem with Wifi in iOS 8,'but if they knew how to fix it, it would have been fixed in iOS 8.0.1/2 and Apple engineering wouldn't have their senior support advisors reaching out to customers (like me) to get logging data on the problem.
I'm a software developer (not iOS) and I've never once had a problem with having too much data about a problem. Usually it's the opposite.
As for iOS 8, basically it was a complete overhaul of iOS and they only had 5 months to do it. Apple has no automated test tools. All testing is done by hand. It's a wonder iOS 8 even runs at all.
Hey I'm not the one making billions and billions of dollars. Apple just needs to hire more staff.
Definitely. The problem is that breaking a phone with beta software is different than breaking a computer with a bad OSX beta update because phone users would run to their carriers rather than to Apple.They need a public beta. Then those who want frequent updates can update and beta test so more beta testing happens and thus a more stable release and they can wait longer between releases
But I agree with you. The 8.01 mess would have never happened if they released to a small beta group rather than rolling it out to everyone.
How would it be separate? It would come with iOS just like always. It would just be able to be updated from the App Store at more regular intervals. And how does what you "associate with the OS" have to do with improving iOS?
More time is required when software gets to this size and complexity.
Adding more staff and throwing more money at it generally isn't the solution.
The reason is if you have more people you need to divide the work load. When you do that it becomes to easy for a team working on a specific issue to introduce another issue in section of software unrelated to them.
You end up spending more time fighting yourselves. Just like any job adding to many people doesn't help.
Take whatever it is that you do for work. Add 10x the amount of people doing exactly what you are doing (working on the same car, presentation, program, patient, piece of equipment, whatever it is you work on) generally (not always) they will just be in your way slow you down and decrease the quality of your work.
Adding more staff and throwing more money at it generally isn't the solution.
The reason is if you have more people you need to divide the work load. When you do that it becomes to easy for a team working on a specific issue to introduce another issue in section of software unrelated to them.
You end up spending more time fighting yourselves. Just like any job adding to many people doesn't help.
Take whatever it is that you do for work. Add 10x the amount of people doing exactly what you are doing (working on the same car, presentation, program, patient, piece of equipment, whatever it is you work on) generally (not always) they will just be in your way slow you down and decrease the quality of your work.
It would be nice if Apple would give you an option of rolling back to a previous iOS version with a disclaimer about support or something. I'd be fine with that.
I would like to have the option of going back to a previous version without it nagging me there is an update and automatically downloading the update taking up space. It's my device. I should be able to choose what I want to run on it. Like a computer. If I want to run an older OS on it, I have that right.
For me and I am sure there are others, there was nothing wrong with iOS 7.1.2. It ran great for me, and to be honest, I cannot really tell a difference from iOS 8 and iOS 7, they look alike other than that annoying predictive text. Give people an option and quit forcing them to upgrade, especially with older hardware. There is nothing wrong with my iPad 2, it is mint, it flew on iOS 7, but iOS 8 on it makes it practically unusable. So now I have an iPad that I paid good money for when it was released only for it to be a paperweight now. I have a hard time justifying the cost of another iPad just because my current one is old and worked fine on an older version of iOS, there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the software they released for it is whats causing the issues.
I am all for stopping the annual updates and release a better product even if it means it takes a little while longer, and quit forcing them on us.
I would like to have the option of going back to a previous version without it nagging me there is an update and automatically downloading the update taking up space. It's my device. I should be able to choose what I want to run on it. Like a computer. If I want to run an older OS on it, I have that right.
For me and I am sure there are others, there was nothing wrong with iOS 7.1.2. It ran great for me, and to be honest, I cannot really tell a difference from iOS 8 and iOS 7, they look alike other than that annoying predictive text. Give people an option and quit forcing them to upgrade, especially with older hardware. There is nothing wrong with my iPad 2, it is mint, it flew on iOS 7, but iOS 8 on it makes it practically unusable. So now I have an iPad that I paid good money for when it was released only for it to be a paperweight now. I have a hard time justifying the cost of another iPad just because my current one is old and worked fine on an older version of iOS, there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the software they released for it is whats causing the issues.
I am all for stopping the annual updates and release a better product even if it means it takes a little while longer, and quit forcing them on us.
God no.
Devs are likely to have a second device they can use as a dev hack for testing.
Putting betas on an only iOS device, especially if it is your phone is far too risky.
Need to spread the new features out more over the year. 7.1 didn't really add anything new. For that matter every update since 7.0.1-7.1.2 didn't really add anything new. Mostly bug fixes which took over 6 months to do.
Now with iOS 8 there are still a lot of bugs left from the betas they never fixed. And now they have to bug fix and add new features like Apple Pay.
By the time these features, and releases are mostly bug fixed the cycle will start all over again. Really seems like they are about 3-6 months ahead of themselves in software. I'd rather see every other year introduce major new features, and the off year being more about stability, and maybe a couple features. But then people would bitch and moan about how stale iOS is just like people were doing with iOS 6. Either way they are going to get people bitching.
Luckily 8.1 seems pretty good. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. Had it since day 1, and don't notice anything major out of whack.
Now with iOS 8 there are still a lot of bugs left from the betas they never fixed. And now they have to bug fix and add new features like Apple Pay.
By the time these features, and releases are mostly bug fixed the cycle will start all over again. Really seems like they are about 3-6 months ahead of themselves in software. I'd rather see every other year introduce major new features, and the off year being more about stability, and maybe a couple features. But then people would bitch and moan about how stale iOS is just like people were doing with iOS 6. Either way they are going to get people bitching.
Luckily 8.1 seems pretty good. I think people will be pleasantly surprised. Had it since day 1, and don't notice anything major out of whack.
Apple iOS/OS X team should work together and make new iOS/ OS X every 2 or 3 years than every years. Look back what they did with Snow Leopard, it took few years to develop a better OS. 