iOS6 is probably the most underwhelming release of iOS to date

[mcman77]

People need to stop complaining and switch to android... It's getting irritating that people who now have android complain about apple... Insecure??

Yeah could be insecurity, I don't know. What is your reasoning to come in here and complain about people complaining about android?

i think apple believes that the patent may not be granted, because it has become prior art.
google did not file the patent before implementing the feature.

could also be because of that, apple took years before implementing it.

There are many patents people have sued over before actually implementing them. Hence, making patents about future products that aren't even doable with our current tech.

Did you read the patent? The new notification system doesn't display the alert at the top of the screen? The notification system doesn't display over time and signal items on the screen? The notification system doesn't display notifications in a central location? The patent is almost exactly what Apple did.

Wow, so why/how are they allowed to get away with this?

 

[BaldiMac]

Did you read the patent? The new notification system doesn't display the alert at the top of the screen? The notification system doesn't display over time and signal items on the screen? The notification system doesn't display notifications in a central location? The patent is almost exactly what Apple did.

You left out a key part as you paraphrased the claims. The primary claim of the patent is based on displaying notifications in the status bar and displaying the notification details/summary in response to selections of those notifications in the status bar. Neither of which iOS does.

 

[alex2792]

Yup,I was VERY underwhelmed by iOS6 so I got a GS3. I'm loving Google maps and navi which blows iOS maps away,but I do miss some of the iOS apps I've bought over the years.

 

[shandyman]

You left out a key part as you paraphrased the claims. The primary claim of the patent is based on displaying notifications in the status bar and displaying the notification details/summary in response to selections of those notifications in the status bar. Neither of which iOS does.

Exactly this. Funny how people skip that fact over cos it ruins their argument...

Yup,I was VERY underwhelmed by iOS6 so I got a GS3. I'm loving Google maps and navi which blows iOS maps away,but I do miss some of the iOS apps I've bought over the years.

Very underwhelmed by an unreleased software release?! Lol.

Enjoy your GS3. Will you be sticking around to unsecurely moan about iOS and praise your android phone like others or you secure in your move to android that this will be your last post in iOS related forum...

 

[alex2792]

Exactly this. Funny how people skip that fact over cos it ruins their argument...



Very underwhelmed by an unreleased software release?! Lol.

Enjoy your GS3. Will you be sticking around to unsecurely moan about iOS and praise your android phone like others or you secure in your move to android that this will be your last post in iOS related forum...

I might switch to the iPhone 5 if it blows me away, I'm pretty open minded when it comes to phones so it's not a big deal to me. If Apple can integrate NFC with passbook in a manner that would allow me to use my phone to pay at any store that takes credit cards I would jump ship in a heartbeat because Google wallet is really half baked at this point.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

I might switch to the iPhone 5 if it blows me away, I'm pretty open minded when it comes to phones so it's not a big deal to me. If Apple can integrate NFC with passbook in a manner that would allow me to use my phone to pay at any store that takes credit cards I would jump ship in a heartbeat because Google wallet is really half baked at this point.

Not likely gonna have NFC. My guess is Passbook is going to use code scanning (Bar or QR code). But it will be neatly organized.

 

[ledlauzis]

Well it is not disappointing, just like iOS 5 it brings several news apps but doesn't change system itself. Apple is all about simplicity and good habits and will leave design as it is and will add more apps over the years to keep up with the competition. We have seen this so far and I guess this trend is here to stay.

If you don't like it you can always switch to Android or Windows Phone.

 

[shandyman]

I might switch to the iPhone 5 if it blows me away, I'm pretty open minded when it comes to phones so it's not a big deal to me. If Apple can integrate NFC with passbook in a manner that would allow me to use my phone to pay at any store that takes credit cards I would jump ship in a heartbeat because Google wallet is really half baked at this point.

Passbook will undoubtedly integrate NFC, it's a precursor. But NFC is gonna be limited cos its still not wide spread. Only Starbucks and McDonalds seem to have it in my area. It's not just a matter of any store taking credit cards, it's if they have NFC compatible devices.

Not likely gonna have NFC. My guess is Passbook is going to use code scanning (Bar or QR code). But it will be neatly organized.

We already know its using QR/barcodes, as seen at WWDC and can be seen in beta, this is for non-NFC devices. NFC will also be integrated for the new device, if it has the capability, it's obvious.

 

[retinarob]

They aren't going to release any of the cool features that take advantage of the iPhone 5's hardware because they haven't released the new phone yet. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

 

[tarryweather]

You know who this release is REALLY disappointing for? iPod touch users.

I know Apple always considered us the red-headed stepchildren of the iOS users, but come on. It's one thing to hold out on features for old versions of the hardware, but even the newest iPod touches aren't getting the good stuff on this release! There is literally no iPod touch on the market that will benefit from the new Maps app. All of the special features are iPhone and iPad only, so we're just left with something that's basically the old Maps app in a different skin, with public transit directions removed. And seeing as Maps is the only substantial feature of iOS 6, that's disappointing.

Of the other major features highlighted on Apple's iOS6 page:

• Siri: Again, doesn't apply to iPod touch.
• Facebook: OK fine, I'll give you this one, but it's not terribly exciting. Personally I don't even use it, but that's not Apple's fault.
• Shared Photo Streams: I guess somebody might use this? Maybe even find it exciting?
• Passbook: Now instead of separate apps, we'll have one. Hooray.
• FaceTime over cellular: Again, irrelevant on an iPod.
• Phone features: Irrelevant on an iPod.
• Mail features: Minor upgrades.
• Safari features: iCloud tabs might be useful. Offline Reading List too, especially on an iPod. Oh wait, iPod doesn't get this one? Well, crap. Why does the one iOS device that would benefit most from this feature not get it?? Don't try and say its hardware can't support it, it's a pretty simple feature.
• Accessibility: It's good they're working on improving this, but still, for most of us, that's not very exciting.

There are a few more features highlighted at the bottom of the page:

• Find My iPhone: As far as I can tell, the only difference is that it can now track where it's been. Useful when you need it, but most probably won't ever need it. This is really a feature of an App Store app anyway.
• Find My Friends location-based alerts: I don't know how many people use this app, but my guess is not many. Again, App Store app, not OS.
• Remodeled Stores: Really? This is one of the top 14 of the "200 features"?
• New Features for China: I'm sure Chinese users are excited, but it doesn't do much for the rest of us

I'm not saying these aren't useful new features, because generally speaking, they are. But the best ones don't even apply to the iPod touch, and of the ones that do… well when you're advertising 200 new features and these are the most exciting ones you can come up with, it's not much of an upgrade.

I'm pretty sure the only difference I'd see day-to-day is lack of public transit directions. I'm usually really positive and enthusiastic about upgrades, but this may be the first I skip.

 

[nuckinfutz]

I'm pretty sure the only difference I'd see day-to-day is lack of public transit directions. I'm usually really positive and enthusiastic about upgrades, but this may be the first I skip.

It's rather daft to skip a "FREE" software upgrade. I could see if Apple was charging for iOS 6 but if there's 1 feature that makes your iPod better in iOS 6 you'd do well to download it because it costs you nothing.

 

[WordMasterRice]

It's rather daft to skip a "FREE" software upgrade. I could see if Apple was charging for iOS 6 but if there's 1 feature that makes your iPod better in iOS 6 you'd do well to download it because it costs you nothing.

His post was only 2 sentences and you couldn't even read that? There is 1 feature that makes the iPod worse, so update anyway?

 

[nuckinfutz]

His post was only 2 sentences and you couldn't even read that? There is 1 feature that makes the iPod worse, so update anyway?

I'm not really sure you should be responding to my post. BaldiMac smacked yours about the patents down and you conveniently ignored him. Worry about your posts child. Tarryweather can write his own responses.

 

[416049]

I think just having the maps feature already makes the update worth it, and fb is nice to have as-well.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Someone could build a device that farts golden unicorns and there will be people that are underwhelmed.

I can tell you right now that shared photo streams are going to be huge. It's easy to imagine a scenario where a friend or family member travels abroad and creates a shared photostream for the trip. Each day that goes by increases the cache of pictures that are viewable on my Apple TV or any computer I chose.

Reality is it is easy to be jaded, underwhelmed, apathetic and disinterested. You've got food in the fridge and gas in the car. Your safety is assured. Any negative feelings you have are your own personal creations. We all have it better than those inhabiting this earth 10k years ago.

Sorry for the rant folks. Had to get that off my chest.

 

[shandyman]

You know who this release is REALLY disappointing for? iPod touch users.

I know Apple always considered us the red-headed stepchildren of the iOS users, but come on. It's one thing to hold out on features for old versions of the hardware, but even the newest iPod touches aren't getting the good stuff on this release! There is literally no iPod touch on the market that will benefit from the new Maps app. All of the special features are iPhone and iPad only, so we're just left with something that's basically the old Maps app in a different skin, with public transit directions removed. And seeing as Maps is the only substantial feature of iOS 6, that's disappointing.

Of the other major features highlighted on Apple's iOS6 page:

• Siri: Again, doesn't apply to iPod touch.
• Facebook: OK fine, I'll give you this one, but it's not terribly exciting. Personally I don't even use it, but that's not Apple's fault.
• Shared Photo Streams: I guess somebody might use this? Maybe even find it exciting?
• Passbook: Now instead of separate apps, we'll have one. Hooray.
• FaceTime over cellular: Again, irrelevant on an iPod.
• Phone features: Irrelevant on an iPod.
• Mail features: Minor upgrades.
• Safari features: iCloud tabs might be useful. Offline Reading List too, especially on an iPod. Oh wait, iPod doesn't get this one? Well, crap. Why does the one iOS device that would benefit most from this feature not get it?? Don't try and say its hardware can't support it, it's a pretty simple feature.
• Accessibility: It's good they're working on improving this, but still, for most of us, that's not very exciting.

There are a few more features highlighted at the bottom of the page:

• Find My iPhone: As far as I can tell, the only difference is that it can now track where it's been. Useful when you need it, but most probably won't ever need it. This is really a feature of an App Store app anyway.
• Find My Friends location-based alerts: I don't know how many people use this app, but my guess is not many. Again, App Store app, not OS.
• Remodeled Stores: Really? This is one of the top 14 of the "200 features"?
• New Features for China: I'm sure Chinese users are excited, but it doesn't do much for the rest of us

I'm not saying these aren't useful new features, because generally speaking, they are. But the best ones don't even apply to the iPod touch, and of the ones that do… well when you're advertising 200 new features and these are the most exciting ones you can come up with, it's not much of an upgrade.

I'm pretty sure the only difference I'd see day-to-day is lack of public transit directions. I'm usually really positive and enthusiastic about upgrades, but this may be the first I skip.

Well a lot of the map stuff is only on the latest iPad and the iphone 4S, not the iPad 2 or the 4, there wasn't a hardware update for the iPod touch last year, so really as far as apple is concerned, it cannot handle the high end stuff of maps. Plus they will want people to get the new iPod touch which must be arriving in October with the iPad mini, as I don't see apple going more than 2 years without an update to the line.

 

[WordMasterRice]

You left out a key part as you paraphrased the claims. The primary claim of the patent is based on displaying notifications in the status bar and displaying the notification details/summary in response to selections of those notifications in the status bar. Neither of which iOS does.

Looks like you did plenty of paraphrasing yourself

displaying, in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device, a notification of a recent alert event for the mobile device, wherein the alert event corresponds to a change in status of an application operating on the mobile device or of an account associated with the mobile device;
receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device; and
in response to the receipt of the selection, displaying, in a central zone of the graphical interface, detail regarding a plurality of alert events for the mobile device, wherein at least some of the plurality of alert events correspond to messages received by the mobile device and the detail includes text from the messages.

I'd say that that is pretty open to interpretation, it says in the status area, not the status bar, and last I checked the top 40 pixels is the status area. Android doesn't display them in the status bar, they display them at the top. Moreover, the claim also states...

2. The method of claim 1, wherein the notification is displayed in place of battery and signal elements in a status bar that comprises the status area of the graphical interface.

It seems pretty clear to me that they are talking about the top of the display, where the statusbar is, not IN the statusbar. BTW in this context status bar means the notification, not the battery and signal status bar

PS: Happy nuckinfutz?

 

[BaldiMac]

Looks like you did plenty of paraphrasing yourself

Absolutely. I was just pointing out the things you left out of your paraphrase.

I'd say that that is pretty open to interpretation, it says in the status area, not the status bar, and last I checked the top 40 pixels is the status area.

Except iOS notifications are not displayed in the status area. And you again skipped the part of the claim about "receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device".

Android doesn't display them in the status bar, they display them at the top.

What Android does is irrelevant.

It seems pretty clear to me that they are talking about the top of the display, where the statusbar is, not IN the statusbar.

Nope, the claim specifically refers to "in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device". Nothing about the top of the display.

BTW in this context status bar means the notification, not the battery and signal status bar

I disagree. It's very clear that they are talking about the status bar - the area where signal strength, battery life, etc., is shown on an iOS device. That's why they specifically mention replacing the battery or signal "elements" rather than the bar that contains them.

 

[shandyman]

Absolutely. I was just pointing out the things you left out of your paraphrase.



Except iOS notifications are not displayed in the status area. And you again skipped the part of the claim about "receiving a selection in the status area by a user of the mobile device".



What Android does is irrelevant.



Nope, the claim specifically refers to "in a status area near a perimeter of a graphical interface for a mobile device". Nothing about the top of the display.



I disagree. It's very clear that they are talking about the status bar - the area where signal strength, battery life, etc., is shown on an iOS device. That's why they specifically mention replacing the battery or signal "elements" rather than the bar that contains them.

Exactly this. The others are broadening and distorting the details rather than admit they are wrong...

 

[Abazigal]

Apple has got a new motto now.. why innovate when you can just patent it and sue for infringements?

If Apple goes after Google's Android next, then they really won't have any competition apart from WP8.

Being able to patent something implies apple has to actually come up with something innovative in the first place.

 

[edddeduck]

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Again complete misnomer, apart from iOS 6 features likely being locked while Jobs as alive and well, you seem to be projecting your personal thoughts (you seem to have bagged on every release of Mac OS and iOS in recent memory) onto what is happening.

The way you keep your market share and keep increasing profits is by keeping your product evolving and improving it. Apple are not the kind of company to deliberately NOT innovate!

They might kill off features and older products ruthlessly however they never stop innovating, I know that custom ringtones might be a big deal to you (or whatever you are are complaining about iOS not having this week) but your argument is all speculation based on other power user / tech people it's not based on your average Apple user.

I could name loads of things I personally might like in iOS 6 but overall for the average user it is a decent leap forward, sure it does not do everything but Apple have a rule of not adding loads of customisation features.

If you want a hacker OS on your phone the choice is (and always was) Android. If you want a slick, stable and virus free OS then iOS was and still is your answer.

Trying to make out Apple are deliberately holding tech back because your custom feature is not in iOS is getting a bit old now.

I admit for you personally (and perhaps other tech savvy hackers) iOS 6 is a bit of a disappointment however most tech savvy hackers I know have an android phones so they can mess about with all the things you say you want.

So I suggest you buy a cheap Android phone and have fun. I am tempted to get one to mess about however my main OS will be iOS because it just works and is nice and slick.

Edwin

 

[Purant]

They aren't going to release any of the cool features that take advantage of the iPhone 5's hardware because they haven't released the new phone yet. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Like what? The only significant change for the new iPhone seems to be the 16:9 screen. Other than that, it will just have somewhat more beefed up hardware than the 4S.

 

[tarryweather]

It's rather daft to skip a "FREE" software upgrade. I could see if Apple was charging for iOS 6 but if there's 1 feature that makes your iPod better in iOS 6 you'd do well to download it because it costs you nothing.

But the whole point of that quote of mine you posted is that I wouldn't see a feature that makes it noticeably better. The only noticeably difference would be the removal of a useful feature, so it would actually make it worse. I'm not generally one of the people to complain about changes in an OS upgrade and stick with the old version. I'm actually usually one of the first to upgrade and adjust to the changes. But the complete removal of public transit directions is just too big of a deal for me to upgrade without some having some useful new features to balance the loss.

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Well a lot of the map stuff is only on the latest iPad and the iphone 4S, not the iPad 2 or the 4, there wasn't a hardware update for the iPod touch last year, so really as far as apple is concerned, it cannot handle the high end stuff of maps. Plus they will want people to get the new iPod touch which must be arriving in October with the iPad mini, as I don't see apple going more than 2 years without an update to the line.

And that much I understand, I just think it's kind of disappointing that the ONLY significant features of the upgrade ignore an entire product line, not just the outdated versions. And some of those features (offline Reading List, for example), the iPod touch is perfectly capable of handling. Again, I'm used to Apple dropping support for old hardware to encourage sales of new hardware, but even the most current iPod touch isn't getting the features it can easily support.

 

[shandyman]

But the whole point of that quote of mine you posted is that I wouldn't see a feature that makes it noticeably better. The only noticeably difference would be the removal of a useful feature, so it would actually make it worse. I'm not generally one of the people to complain about changes in an OS upgrade and stick with the old version. I'm actually usually one of the first to upgrade and adjust to the changes. But the complete removal of public transit directions is just too big of a deal for me to upgrade without some having some useful new features to balance the loss.

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And that much I understand, I just think it's kind of disappointing that the ONLY significant features of the upgrade ignore an entire product line, not just the outdated versions. And some of those features (offline Reading List, for example), the iPod touch is perfectly capable of handling. Again, I'm used to Apple dropping support for old hardware to encourage sales of new hardware, but even the most current iPod touch isn't getting the features it can easily support.

Yes but the most current one is 2 years old. There is most likely going to be a new one this year. If they'd done an iPod touch last year it might be a different bag of fish.

As for things like offline reading list, you never know, it might end up happening when iOS 6 is released, may just not have included beta for the iPod touch.

 

[CrzyP]

I really don't get why FaceTime over cellular will only work on the 4S. I can tether my wifi iPad 3 to my iPhone 4 and do FaceTime with no issue at all. IMO FaceTime works just fine over 3G.