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In my view the Blackberry is by far a better communication tool. The iPhone is by far a better tool for browsing the web and apps.

Also you have to remember that the RIM has kept true to the core of the blackberry which has everything revolve around communication and information at a glance and if you know which apps to get. For me my top 2 apps on the blackberry are BerryBuzz and BerryWeather. BerryBuzz allows me to customize the LED color for just about everything and BerryWeather is my weather app which blows Apples weather app out of the water.

BerryWeather allows you to set some location but also you can set one location call Cell location. It keeps the temp and weather update to your current location and it tracks you based on cell towers.

iPhone sucks for keeping everything updated at a glance. As people has complained before the notification system on the iPhone is complete and utter crap. You can not see any information on the lock screen and you have to find the app icon for anything else. Plus I personally find the pop up on my iPod annoying as hell. I like the blackberry putting a little icon at the top of the screen mix with my LED light and I am happy.

Going threw contact I personally find the blackberry by far better than the iPhone. I just start typing in the name of the person I am looking for and starts searching my contact for it. It bases on work location and name of the person.

It is all about what you are looking for in a phone.

The Weather Channel app for iPhone also brings up where you are directly located for weather based on cell towers.....and cant you just do a main phone search on the iPhone to search a contact?
 
I agree with most of the comments regarding what your intended purpose is. I have both (or I had both but I returned my iPhone 4 and went back to my 3G until Apple fixes the problems with it). I love both devices. If this is going to be your personal phone then get an iPhone. If this is for work, and email is your life, not to mention if you travel then get a BlackBerry. For me the BB still can’t be beat as a work phone. It is an email work horse, I also think it is a better “phone” than an iPhone, and most definitely has a better speaker when using the speaker phone option. I don’t have a need for using the web on my work phone so I can’t comment on that aspect but I am sure the iPhone does a better job. I love the iPhone; I love the beauty of it, the web, apps, music, video and mostly the integration. But as far as work goes, you couldn’t pry my BB out of my hands. For the mobile professional who needs a bullet proof phone and email device get a BB.
 
The Weather Channel app for iPhone also brings up where you are directly located for weather based on cell towers.....and cant you just do a main phone search on the iPhone to search a contact?

You can but that way of searching contacts is crap when compared to the bb.
I figured there were some apps for the iPhone that could do the weather updating based on location. I know there are several for the bb. I just like berryweather.

It boils down to the fact that as a pure communication tool the bb is better but for multimedia web surfing the iPhone is better.
Both phones are design around different concepts. BB is design around communication and the iPhone was designed around multimedia and web surfing.

My biggest problem with iOS's is the complete lack of information glance on it. Notification are a key part of that. Add in RSS feeder would help if you wanted it and so on.
Android has a pretty good IaG in place but I hgave not played much with Android so I can not compare it.
 
I cant seem to figure out why email on the BB is better than the iOS email application. The only thing I can think of is keyboard shortcuts.
 
This thread has no context. Is your work offering you a BB 9700, or is there some other reason you are looking to change?

No work is not offering me a BB -- I am just looking for a phone that will actually work... (reception wise) Honestly, I love the iPhone4, I've had all Gen phones, and i'm just disappointed. I am currently a graduate student and do work in a professional business setting. I use my phone primarily for Texting, Phone calls, emails, Shazam, and of course photo & video. Everything else is... blah.
 
I cant seem to figure out why email on the BB is better than the iOS email application. The only thing I can think of is keyboard shortcuts.

I was a BB user for 3 years and moved to an iPhone at the beginning of the month. I've actually found email to be just as good on the iPhone as on my previous BBs (I had a Pearl and a Bold 9000).

I'm using both an Exchange account and a Gmail (without the ActiveSync, just fetch; By the way, I never thought I would like non-instant email with Gmail but it`s turned out to be just fine). If the iPhone didn`t have Exchange support, it would be an issue for me (I need immediate push email with that account), but I'm finding my email experience to be great. Some of the things I heard people say they preferred about email on the Blackberry, like the unified inbox, are non-issues with iOS 4 - I have the unified inbox I was used to on the Blackberry. Also, some people didn't like that Gmail was not instant push on the iPhone but with Gmail's free ActiveSync service that`s taken care of now (from what I have read; I myself am not using it). I love the look of email on the iPhone, especially HTML email rendering (I realize that the BB has HTML email too). Now I think it probably just comes down to keyboard shortcuts as you mentioned and the physical keyboard that some prefer, but I think that has more to do with keyboard preferences than the email interface.
 
Should be an easy transition if you don't browse the web, play games, listen to music, use 3rd party applications, like large screens, want to shoot decent video and pictures.

Besides all of that, there is not much difference


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I was a BB user for 3 years and moved to an iPhone at the beginning of the month. I've actually found email to be just as good on the iPhone as on my previous BBs (I had a Pearl and a Bold 9000).

I'm using both an Exchange account and a Gmail (without the ActiveSync, just fetch; By the way, I never thought I would like non-instant email with Gmail but it`s turned out to be just fine). If the iPhone didn`t have Exchange support, it would be an issue for me (I need immediate push email with that account), but I'm finding my email experience to be great. Some of the things I heard people say they preferred about email on the Blackberry, like the unified inbox, are non-issues with iOS 4 - I have the unified inbox I was used to on the Blackberry. Also, some people didn't like that Gmail was not instant push on the iPhone but with Gmail's free ActiveSync service that`s taken care of now (from what I have read; I myself am not using it). I love the look of email on the iPhone, especially HTML email rendering (I realize that the BB has HTML email too). Now I think it probably just comes down to keyboard shortcuts as you mentioned and the physical keyboard that some prefer, but I think that has more to do with keyboard preferences than the email interface.

Do you have a MAC or PC at home (lol dumb question) but were you able to sync your BB easily with your accounts?
 
Should be an easy transition if you don't browse the web, play games, listen to music, use 3rd party applications, like large screens, want to shoot decent video and pictures.

Besides all of that, there is not much difference

This - and also if you like pulling out the battery once a day to free up memory and like looking at white screens with an hour glass that wont go away.

Oh, and if you dont have a Mac that you ever want to synch with.
 
I cant seem to figure out why email on the BB is better than the iOS email application. The only thing I can think of is keyboard shortcuts.

It is supposedly more secure which I do not know if its true.

But it does have a "mark all as read" feature which iPhone needs asap.
 
Do you have a MAC or PC at home (lol dumb question) but were you able to sync your BB easily with your accounts?

Syncing accounts is easy on a BB, even on a Mac. RIM released a Blackberry Desktop Manager for Mac last year. Syncs everything pretty well. I have all of my contacts in Address Book and use iCal for scheduling purposes. I had no conflicts syncing my old Blackberry Tour.
 
I have a 9700 for work and for personal I have an iphone 4 (owned the iphone 3G before that)

As a work device the 9700 is great, it can take a knock and is pretty reliable BUT for the life of me I can't figure out why people would use blackberries for anything else other than a work tool.....
 
It is supposedly more secure which I do not know if its true.

But it does have a "mark all as read" feature which iPhone needs asap.

I actually read an article about security recently when I asked about security on Android devices on another forum. The response that I got was that Exchange email on all devices is secure because the Exchange rules set up require certain security parameters to be set (I am paraphrasing from memory here, so someone correct me if I'm explaining wrong), however all other email is not secure, whether it's through the Blackberry BIS system or set up on an Android device or an iPhone.

From this I am assuming that Exchange is just as secure on an iPhone as on a Blackberry, and that for other accounts set up via BB BIS there's no difference in security?
 
No work is not offering me a BB -- I am just looking for a phone that will actually work... (reception wise) Honestly, I love the iPhone4, I've had all Gen phones, and i'm just disappointed. I am currently a graduate student and do work in a professional business setting. I use my phone primarily for Texting, Phone calls, emails, Shazam, and of course photo & video. Everything else is... blah.

if your primary use is:
1. calls
2. text/email

bb's do this almost to perfection (with exception to media heavy email, as mentioned in this thread)
 
I actually read an article about security recently when I asked about security on Android devices on another forum. The response that I got was that Exchange email on all devices is secure because the Exchange rules set up require certain security parameters to be set (I am paraphrasing from memory here, so someone correct me if I'm explaining wrong), however all other email is not secure, whether it's through the Blackberry BIS system or set up on an Android device or an iPhone.

From this I am assuming that Exchange is just as secure on an iPhone as on a Blackberry, and that for other accounts set up via BB BIS there's no difference in security?

All emails to/from a blackberry device uses DES encryption for security because all email goes through their BES/BIS infrastructure.
 
I actually read an article about security recently when I asked about security on Android devices on another forum. The response that I got was that Exchange email on all devices is secure because the Exchange rules set up require certain security parameters to be set (I am paraphrasing from memory here, so someone correct me if I'm explaining wrong), however all other email is not secure, whether it's through the Blackberry BIS system or set up on an Android device or an iPhone.

From this I am assuming that Exchange is just as secure on an iPhone as on a Blackberry, and that for other accounts set up via BB BIS there's no difference in security?

If you read up on it while exchange is very secure it pails in comparison to the BES and BIS security.

My understanding of BES and BIS is it uses 2 part encryption key. The BES/BIS server is 1/2 of it and the other half is on the phone. On top of that everything is broken down to 2kb chunks so even if some one cracks 1 of the packets that is only 2kb of information and they are missing the rest of it.
It is much tighter security.
As for business BES gives companies a lot more control over the security of the device but that is another thing completely.
 
All emails to/from a blackberry device uses DES encryption for security because all email goes through their BES/BIS infrastructure.


If you read up on it while exchange is very secure it pails in comparison to the BES and BIS security.

My understanding of BES and BIS is it uses 2 part encryption key. The BES/BIS server is 1/2 of it and the other half is on the phone. On top of that everything is broken down to 2kb chunks so even if some one cracks 1 of the packets that is only 2kb of information and they are missing the rest of it.
It is much tighter security.
As for business BES gives companies a lot more control over the security of the device but that is another thing completely.

Thanks for the info guys. Very interesting - will read more about this.
 
Thanks for the info guys. Very interesting - will read more about this.

You're welcome.

I used many blackberry devices over the years. Love them for email, text, and overall communications (never had a dropped call on AT&T or VZW). But their apps and screen presentations are weak and of course the leaked memory problem is inherient in their OS. I'm not real crazy with their new slider (waiting to see it live when released) but OS6 looks promising. Their Storm models really sucked.... that could never compete with the iPhone.
 
I returned my ip4 because of the issues and I went back to the trusty ol' bold 9000. I love blackberry but everyone is different. When apple fixes all the issues I'll be back though!!...I'm a pc and Mac owner no bias here. I love berries and iPhones ....iPhone for media and browser and blackberry is best for RECEIVING emails. But I love how the emails look on the iPhone. If apple handles emails like blackberry's do...that will be the end for them!...lol...go RIM....go apple!!...lol
 
Returned the iPhone 4 for a Bold 9700. Nothing beats the compact form, nice keyboard, battery life, secure email, and BBM. Fits better in my pocket when I listen to music and run. The iPhone has some useful apps, but I have come to realize that it's just a toy in my eyes. So I have my Blackberry and an iPod touch whenever I feel like I want to play around with my iOS.
 
if your primary use is:
1. calls
2. text/email

bb's do this almost to perfection (with exception to media heavy email, as mentioned in this thread)

Number one and email may be a valid point (although I still have yet to hear a good reason as to why email is so much better on BB) but for me, after using a 9000 going back to the iPhone vitual keyboard was a major relief. My fingers aren't incredibly fat and the backspace key was easily the most used.
 
Returned the iPhone 4 for a Bold 9700. Nothing beats the compact form, nice keyboard, battery life, secure email, and BBM. Fits better in my pocket when I listen to music and run. The iPhone has some useful apps, but I have come to realize that it's just a toy in my eyes. So I have my Blackberry and an iPod touch whenever I feel like I want to play around with my iOS.


I just did the same thing 2 hours ago... I just got all set and squared away with my BB 9700... Apple employee's were like "is there anything we can make you stay with your iphone..." I said no - and got my Blackberry...

to my surprise I am very happy.
 
If you read up on it while exchange is very secure it pails in comparison to the BES and BIS security.

My understanding of BES and BIS is it uses 2 part encryption key. The BES/BIS server is 1/2 of it and the other half is on the phone. On top of that everything is broken down to 2kb chunks so even if some one cracks 1 of the packets that is only 2kb of information and they are missing the rest of it.
It is much tighter security.
As for business BES gives companies a lot more control over the security of the device but that is another thing completely.

Is there any evidence available that shows any major Exchange security breaches in real world use? Surely there must be plenty of evidence of this on the web.

I use to have a 9700, but there is no way I would ever go back. My "toy" iPhone gets a lot more done then my old "business" blackberry.
 
Is there any evidence available that shows any major Exchange security breaches in real world use? Surely there must be plenty of evidence of this on the web.

I use to have a 9700, but there is no way I would ever go back. My "toy" iPhone gets a lot more done then my old "business" blackberry.

I am not going to go digging for it but I just pointed out the difference.
Blackberry I believe is military grade. Exchanged is not.
It comes down to how hard it is to brute force attack it. Blackberry is much more difficult to brute force crack. That was more what I was pointing out. While you can crack 1 data pack at a time but it is only 2 kb and you would need to brute for crack the next one as well since it would have a difference key on it.
 
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