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1 - I know we are seeing the same parts, but we are seeing them from several sources it seems. And I wasn't counting the mock ups, only the parts.

2 - True, how the battery stand up to LTE with that design.

Yes, I guess you have a point there. Stuff does seem to originate from multiple sources.

(The second part wasn't really a reply to you. People clamoring for a tapered phone just get on my nerves a bit. Anyone with half a brain should see that such a design isn't feasible right now.)
 
I sure hope these are fakes. I just don't get the widescreen phone. Now the photos you take on your iPhone will have a black bar on top and bottom when you put them on the iPad (unless the next iPad is widescreen too). I just can't see Apple changing the aspect ratio like that. We heard so much about the edge to edge screen last year that I would think they would still be working on that design.
 
I sure hope these are fakes. I just don't get the widescreen phone. Now the photos you take on your iPhone will have a black bar on top and bottom when you put them on the iPad (unless the next iPad is widescreen too). I just can't see Apple changing the aspect ratio like that. We heard so much about the edge to edge screen last year that I would think they would still be working on that design.

If these 'leaks' are the real thing, and if the 16:9 screen is real, they'd of course fit the thing with a widescreen camera.
 
If these 'leaks' are the real thing, and if the 16:9 screen is real, they'd of course fit the thing with a widescreen camera.

Something along those lines I am sure.

I personally love both the size and the aspect ratio of the iPad. All of the movies that I bought which came with digital copy, and when I use Handbrake for others look just fine on my ipad. Most movies are wider than 16x9 anyway. Which is why on my 65" Plasma shows black bars on the top and bottom for most movies still. Also. I do not like the way the 16x9 android tablets look.

The only videos I ever watch on my phone, is the occasional YouTube video. I have never had any desire to watch tv shows or movies on my phone, too small of a screen. Maybe on a phone the size of the Galaxy Note though...
 
True... but there were some cases manufactured right?

Yeah, some third-party vendors made cases based off the rumors. Cases were never a good indication as Apple doesn't share this info until the device is announced publicly.
 
the leaked components are all part of apples "doubling down on secrecy". apple is leaking fake parts to suppliers with subtle and unique identifiers so they can determine where a leak sprouted and deal with the specific culprit when that uniquely traceable apple-leaked fake gets leaked to the rumor sites. that and to distract us.

no real knowledge that this is the case, just a hopeful guess. the leaks look apple'ish, credible'ish, but definitely not ten star, knock your socks off design. a taller iphone seems so unlikely.. apple is obviously trying to distract us and catch the leakers. there will be surprise when the the real next iphone is announced.

Why controlling leaks that display such a poor product ?
Usually leaks management has very purpose of creating expectations so that possible clients dont go for competition and wait for ultimate launch.
All I see here is an extended iphone 4SS with poor interest... There would not be so many ambiguous threads here with people seriously thinking about leaving the boat in case these leaks would have been of better quality
 
Why controlling leaks that display such a poor product ?
Usually leaks management has very purpose of creating expectations so that possible clients dont go for competition and wait for ultimate launch.
All I see here is an extended iphone 4SS with poor interest... There would not be so many ambiguous threads here with people seriously thinking about leaving the boat in case these leaks would have been of better quality

I agree, given the improvement in android products this year, they may be losing a lot of potential customers who jump ship thinking that this is the new phone. Perhaps no leaks would have been better.
 
If these 'leaks' are the real thing, and if the 16:9 screen is real, they'd of course fit the thing with a widescreen camera.

Yeah they would have to go with a widescreen camera. That is why I said you would see black bars at the top and bottom of your iPhone photos when veiwing them on the iPad. Most of the time when I take pictures I get home and look at them on my iPad so I would want the iPad and iPhone to have the same aspect ratio as they do now.
 
Yeah they would have to go with a widescreen camera. That is why I said you would see black bars at the top and bottom of your iPhone photos when veiwing them on the iPad. Most of the time when I take pictures I get home and look at them on my iPad so I would want the iPad and iPhone to have the same aspect ratio as they do now.

Yep, I read your post too quickly. Sorry.
 
Why controlling leaks that display such a poor product ?
Usually leaks management has very purpose of creating expectations so that possible clients dont go for competition and wait for ultimate launch.
All I see here is an extended iphone 4SS with poor interest... There would not be so many ambiguous threads here with people seriously thinking about leaving the boat in case these leaks would have been of better quality

THIS! I agree fully.
 
Offhand I'd say the new normal will be more attempts to leakproof new products, and that those efforts will include tracking down leaks of more faked assigments to produce prototypes, more faked specs on dimensions, location of ports, buttons, etc.

This is because judges are starting to get impatient about the whole patent war stuff. The response of companies to having their patent barfights thrown out in the road will naturally enough be to double down on locking up their designers, engineers, suppliers, marketers.

Who leaks phony info will get fired. Who leaks the real stuff gets told when to leak it. Not knowing if what you have is real or not? Dangerous to career path when combined with big mouth.

One disadvantage of locking down the leaks of real specs is that we may all start feeling that there are not enough different types of accessories available on launch for rollouts of new stuff. Cases, chargers and so forth may be coming to market either not at all, or with delays, or with shoddier specs developed in haste after the new hardware's specs are obtained (or, approximated).

Do such drawbacks to secrecy (from a consumer's point of view) matter to the smartphone or tablet makers? Of course not. These guys not going to care that some casemaker gets reviled for not having an accessory ready to roll on launch day.

The smartphone and tablet makers will still have an assortment of their own or sworn-secret third-party cases, chargers and other accessories (including apps in some cases) all ready for sale on launch day. Selling those things is a minor footnote to their revenue plans, but having them ready is how they deflect criticism by accessory makers (and consumers) that they're suppressing free market activity by refusing to give out specs ahead of time.

Me, I like being surprised when Apple rolls out a new thing. Saves time not reading a gig and a half of words (and fake pix) about what it MIGHT be. That said, I would no doubt feel differently if I were a manufacturer of cases or stands for tablets :)
 
Before the 4s there were a bunch of leaks about a teardrop shaped phone including covers for it and it turned out to be wrong.

BUT there were no actual parts leaked. I believe there may have been a case leaked off the specs but no actual parts. There are actual parts leaked in this case. I like the "leaked" design and would be very happy to replace my iPhone 4s with a phone of that design.

Maybe not wrong. Maybe it was an iPhone 5 prototype. And while I don't like the teardrop shape, I like just about everything else about it. And quite frankly, I'd rather the slight taper with a bigger and wider 4" screen, then a vertically stretched 4S.

Sorry but to say the new leaked design is simply a stretched 4s is silly and not backed by facts. IF the leaked images are to be believed it's a complete redesign of the phone. A unibody back is a completely different phone than the current 4/4s design. I find it funny people keep comparing it to the 4/4s design and complain that it's the same. That's a bit like saying the new Bug and a classic bug are the same; yes they look similar but they are very different when you break them down.
 
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iphone5 makes no sense. Most likely these are rumors feeding on rumors. With all the savvy and expertise at Apple I think we can expect a spectacular Iphone5
 
I think so too - a distraction. I believe the next iPhone will be very different. I'm strictly going by the fact the 4/4S was different from the 3G/3GS, therefore the next iPhone will be very different from the 4/4S. But this is the fun of it all - the speculation and leaks. I can hardly wait for the unveiling.
 
That's true...I was surprised about how much was leaking since Tim Cook said they were doubling down on secrecy.
There's no way to be certain these are coming from Apple. In fact it's more likely they are not. Nothing but guesswork & speculation all because most of us are bored & tired of the Apples reluctance to introduce anything truly new.
 
I dont know if I believe the leaks or not. But think about it. This is the best publicity they can get right now without announcing it, by leaking this stuff themselves.
 
Not a value in itself to introduce something truely new

There's no way to be certain these are coming from Apple. In fact it's more likely they are not. Nothing but guesswork & speculation all because most of us are bored & tired of the Apples reluctance to introduce anything truly new.

IMO there is absolutely NO POINT or intrinsic value of introducing something truly new, especially when the existing product is very well valued by a vast majority of the customers, if not "the market" demands something new, which I am not so certain about in this case.

Much better then to really IMPROVE the existing product, for example in line with many of the thoughful suggestions that have come to the fore in this forum.
 
Secrecy is not telling lies.

I (and many other people) still remember how the rumours for the "iPhone 5" failed last year. But you can't say that it was Apple who faked everyone, can you?
 
I remember the disappointment I had (after TONS of fake pics, fake cases, fake internal parts etc) when the iPhone 4S came out. MAN! I really wanted something new and I think the biggest disappointment was knowing we'd have to wait another year (at least) for the REAL next generation of iPhones release - or so I thought.

On the other hand, I ALSO remember when the initial 4 came out, how new, and extremely different it was. Lots of speculation before the whole "undercover" iPhone 4 was found in that bar. Everybody's speculation was wrong before that phone was uncovered. Man, that was a pretty cool story/situation at least for me and couldn't believe the look of that phone. I just loved it. Couldn't WAIT to get my hands on it. Thats the excitement I want this time.

Now we sit with the same leaked photos/case leaks/internal parts speculations and once again, I pray that the new design will be as "new" and different as that initial iPhone 4 was. These "longer" iPhone 4 leaked photos have me concerned because in general, they are all still looking like two generations of the older iphone 4 models. No, I dont expect such extreme changes as a round or triangle shaped iPhone, but I really want to see Tim Cook come out with something that will get me excited to get the next iPhone. Not just somthing (a longer iPhone 4) that I will end up getting because its new and Im a sucker for having the latest stuff - which I hope Apple doesnt take for granted and just push stuff out to, well, push stuff out because of sales to people like me.
 
Before the 4s there were a bunch of leaks about a teardrop shaped phone including covers for it and it turned out to be wrong.
There were no leaks for a teardrop shaped iPhone. Only cases made by 3rd party manufacturers and sketches (mock-ups). There were leaks, however, for an iPhone 4S. iPad 2. iPad 3. iPhone 4.
 
I remember the disappointment I had (after TONS of fake pics, fake cases, fake internal parts etc) when the iPhone 4S came out. MAN! I really wanted something new and I think the biggest disappointment was knowing we'd have to wait another year (at least) for the REAL next generation of iPhones release - or so I thought.

On the other hand, I ALSO remember when the initial 4 came out, how new, and extremely different it was. Lots of speculation before the whole "undercover" iPhone 4 was found in that bar. Everybody's speculation was wrong before that phone was uncovered. Man, that was a pretty cool story/situation at least for me and couldn't believe the look of that phone. I just loved it. Couldn't WAIT to get my hands on it. Thats the excitement I want this time.

Now we sit with the same leaked photos/case leaks/internal parts speculations and once again, I pray that the new design will be as "new" and different as that initial iPhone 4 was. These "longer" iPhone 4 leaked photos have me concerned because in general, they are all still looking like two generations of the older iphone 4 models. No, I dont expect such extreme changes as a round or triangle shaped iPhone, but I really want to see Tim Cook come out with something that will get me excited to get the next iPhone. Not just somthing (a longer iPhone 4) that I will end up getting because its new and Im a sucker for having the latest stuff - which I hope Apple doesnt take for granted and just push stuff out to, well, push stuff out because of sales to people like me.
Same thing here. You also notice it when looking at others who follow Apple. Lots of excitement around the iPhone 4. Lots of excitement even last year around the iPad 2 (which got much thinner, better cameras and a smart cover (which some people really, really like)).

Than we got an iPhone 4S which was kinda lame. The iPhone 3GS got a speed bump because it was necessary. It got a better camera because it was necessary. It got video recording because it didn't do video recording. The iPhone 3GS improved almost everything the iPhone 3G was bad it. The iPhone 4S? The iPhone 4S improved on things the iPhone 4 was already good at. Speed bump wasn't really necessary this time around. Better camera? That's nice, but it didn't feel necessary. Same for Full HD video recording: nice, but we already had 720p HD video recording so it doesn't feel like a big upgrade.

The iPad 3 was kinda lame. No surprises there. The big thing, of course, was the retina display but we already saw it coming even before the launch of the iPad 2. It was thicker and heavier and didn't have any other noteworthy functionality (except maybe for LTE - but that's only for people who bought the cellular edition and live in the USA or Canada).

In my opinion, Apple had two disappointing iDevice launches after each other: the iPhone 4S and the iPad 3.

Don't get me wrong. Both the iPhone 4S and the iPad 3 were decent upgrades. The iPhone 4S improved upon the successful iPhone 4 and the iPad 3 improved upon the succesful iPad 2: it got a retina display (and the display is arguably the most important thing on a tablet). But as I said, these are decent upgrades. And that's just it. It aren't 'wow'-upgrades; it are decent upgrades.

I want 'wow'-upgrades.
 
Same thing here. You also notice it when looking at others who follow Apple. Lots of excitement around the iPhone 4. Lots of excitement even last year around the iPad 2 (which got much thinner, better cameras and a smart cover (which some people really, really like)).

Than we got an iPhone 4S which was kinda lame. The iPhone 3GS got a speed bump because it was necessary. It got a better camera because it was necessary. It got video recording because it didn't do video recording. The iPhone 3GS improved almost everything the iPhone 3G was bad it. The iPhone 4S? The iPhone 4S improved on things the iPhone 4 was already good at. Speed bump wasn't really necessary this time around. Better camera? That's nice, but it didn't feel necessary. Same for Full HD video recording: nice, but we already had 720p HD video recording so it doesn't feel like a big upgrade.

I want 'wow'-upgrades.

I agree on every one of your points (been there for all of them - again, Im a sucker for "the latest").

If they just come out with a longer iphone 4 - and call it whatever, this will be the 1st time I consider getting something else. Not for a threat or to prove a point, but I really do want a larger all around phone. Not huge, just larger. And different!. Im not going to be one of those fanboys that says "Im a fanboy and apple cant do wrong, so Im happy with what they feed me (and act like I dont want something bigger - till Apple eventually comes out with it - wich you know they will). If you like the smaller size and they come out with a larger phone - KEEP THE IPHONE 4S ! ! ! SHeesh.

My only problem with leaving apple for another brand - even if for a generation or so, is the Apps I've "invested" in. Although not a total loss, because of my iPad and well, I will eventually come back to the iPhone when the thrill comes back. And of course everything im talking about is sheer speculation based on More than likely BOGUS LEAKED PHOTOS ! ! ! Nothing like getting bent outa' shape over nothing!:) (I always do that!!)

"Tim" will tell !!! Thats when We'll know.
 
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