iPad 1 is a better value.

[Davichi]

I hope you are making this thread to make a feel better about yourself not owning the second iPad...

Otherwise, I don't see the point of this thread.

iPad 2 is so much better than iPad 1 every way.

If you are talking about value, then that also makes no sense. Because you are buying an apple gear and you must be willing to pay premium for it. Also, apple gears have high resale value. iPad 2 will most likely sell for 400 dollars or higher before iPad 3 comes out. You will take 100-120 dollars loss after a year. That's about 8-10 dollars a month. Can't afford that?

 

[Piggie]

I don't think anyone could logically/rationally argue that the iPad1 is not indeed a better "Quality" product from a physical standpoint than the iPad2.

It's of course technically inferior from a performance standpoint, that's obvious.

If anything, the iPad2 looks more, how shall I put it. "Disposable" than the iPad1.

Of course, it depends how you define quality.

 

[tigres]

I hope you are making this thread to make a feel better about yourself not owning the second iPad...

Otherwise, I don't see the point of this thread.

iPad 2 is so much better than iPad 1 every way.

Let me spell it out for you. I think the value of the iPad 1 surpasses the price/value/quality of the iPad2. If you can't see the point, I can't really help you; the thread is here, you posted, and you cannot deny it has some validity, and good points- none of which you need or have to agree with in full form.

I would like to hear your detailed explanation on how iP2 is "much better" than iP1 in every way. Lastly, it really bothers me when people toss feelings of others self worth, by not owning or not having said device. So let me also be clear; if I had one offered to me at retail cost I would pass. I bought 2 refurbished wifi's btw, so that also takes any hint's of $ out of your next argument.

Lastly, I don't want, desire, or feel the need for this new revision. I would consider myself a pretty valued apple client (both business and personal) as I own a multitude of Apple products. I stopped purchasing window's machines for my uses about 6 years ago.

 

[QCassidy352]

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This reminds me of all the threads bashing the iPhone 3GS when it first cane out. Hardly an upgrade, not worth it for 3G owners, 3G is a better value, etc.

Here's the thing. That argument looked flawed but ok when iOS 3 came out. When iOS 4 came out, it looked ridiculous.

Expect the same thing here. iPad 1 will Support all or almost all the features in iOS 5 and will run it decently well. By iOS 6, iPad 1 will be missing out on a lot of features and/or run very badly. iPad 2 will still be going strong.

That 25% you save today will look like a pretty bad deal if you plan on keeping your purchase for over a year.

 

[tigres]

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This reminds me of all the threads bashing the iPhone 3GS when it first cane out. Hardly an upgrade, not worth it for 3G owners, 3G is a better value, etc.

Here's the thing. That argument looked flawed but ok when iOS 3 came out. When iOS 4 came out, it looked ridiculous.

Expect the same thing here. iPad 1 will Support all or almost all the features in iOS 5 and will run it decently well. By iOS 6, iPad 1 will be missing out on a lot of features and/or run very badly. iPad 2 will still be going strong.

That 25% you save today will look like a pretty bad deal if you plan on keeping your purchase for over a year.

I was not privy to those threads, but I imagine that you are correct. I suppose also your pointing out the iOS5 update (should it actually happen soon) is also correct. I skipped the 3G, but did upgrade to the 3GS from iPhone- that was really an upgrade to me.

I do think however, that iPad has a couple of more years of good usage ahead of it. For one, there is no file system; and until developers really start making it Productive vs. Consumption - I think it will be fine.

I use Readdledocs, PDF Expert, Goodreader, etc.. for some oddball work; but I don't game on it.

Maybe that is where the lines will further separate the devices in the future.

 

[iJays]

3 minutes clearly wasn't enough.

I owned iPad one from launch till the day before announcement. The second is clearly superior, most noticeably on the Internet for basic browsing.

The first is great, but I've been asked by many people and I tell them all, wait for and pay extra for the second, it's worth it.

As to smart covers, plenty of leather apple knockoff cases coming in gen 1 style.

maybe because the iPad1 you already have has all the 'crap' installed already because you already used it for months while the new days-old iPad2 has still 'crap' to be installed.

 

[mullman]

Don't forget to take into account the used market value in ~12 months.
A year old iPad 2 will be worth considerably more than a 2 yr old original iPad.

Keep in mind the iPad battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 full cycles, and the replacement costs $99 + S&H. The older units suddenly become much less attractive.

Now that being said, once the Craigslist silliness stops I will pay ~$250-275 for a used original iPad 16gb for the kids to bash on.
If an Apple refurb is $349 with a one year warranty, a used one with no warranty IMHO is not worth more than $275.

Furthermore, give the devs a few months with the latest SDK and you will see some new apps that take advantage of the iPad 2's faster CPU and graphics engine and will not even run on an original unit.
Of course with an installed base of 15M original units, the new 'superapps' will be far and few between, but they will be fabulous.

 

[ZZANG]

Value is self subjective at best. If the original iPad is great and works and does everything YOU need it to do than fantastic. You can't come on the forums expecting a positive response to reaffirm your own opinion. Some people actually have valid reasons not to upgrade and paying extra for the iPad 2 would be of no different experience for what they were originally doing to begin with.

I don't own an iPad. I own an iPhone 4 and a 15" MBP. For myself to own an iPad seems moot as I do everything I would do on my iPhone just fine. But, I wouldn't dare go and post saying, "The iPhone 4 is a much better value..." kind of post. Why? Different strokes for different folks.


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[DS3]

Far and away the biggest improvement is graphical power and you are trying to judge it before devs have a chance to use it.

Benchmarks show huge performance gains, they will become apparent in time.

But sure, a casual user would probably be fine with saving money on the iPad 1. Not sure how many truly casual users browse macrumors...

 

[QCassidy352]

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This reminds me of all the threads bashing the iPhone 3GS when it first cane out. Hardly an upgrade, not worth it for 3G owners, 3G is a better value, etc.

Here's the thing. That argument looked flawed but ok when iOS 3 came out. When iOS 4 came out, it looked ridiculous.

Expect the same thing here. iPad 1 will Support all or almost all the features in iOS 5 and will run it decently well. By iOS 6, iPad 1 will be missing out on a lot of features and/or run very badly. iPad 2 will still be going strong.

That 25% you save today will look like a pretty bad deal if you plan on keeping your purchase for over a year.

I was not privy to those threads, but I imagine that you are correct. I suppose also your pointing out the iOS5 update (should it actually happen soon) is also correct. I skipped the 3G, but did upgrade to the 3GS from iPhone- that was really an upgrade to me.

I do think however, that iPad has a couple of more years of good usage ahead of it. For one, there is no file system; and until developers really start making it Productive vs. Consumption - I think it will be fine.

I use Readdledocs, PDF Expert, Goodreader, etc.. for some oddball work; but I don't game on it.

Maybe that is where the lines will further separate the devices in the future.

iPad 1 definitely still has life - for now. The problem is that both devs and apple itself will design future software and OS updates to take advantage of the latest and greatest. No, they don't want to alienate iPad 1 owners right away, but eventually, they will design to the higher spec'ed device. Again, this is exactly what happened with iPhone 3G and 3GS.

So the question is, is that 25% worth being left behind a year earlier? IMO, the answer is clearly no, no question. But I guess different people see the value of that saved money differently.

 

[phpmaven]

This iPad2 business makes for quite the research paper. Very interesting just to read these boards this week.
Think for a moment from a financial aspect-

iPad 1 currently in stock and being sold for 25% off it's newest sibling, and 30% off on the refurb store.

iPad 2 is thinner and and faster with 2 cameras. iPad 2 has a smart cover that offers no protection to the unit itself, ok it's cool. Latest and greatest, absolutely. Offers way more than the original, not so much.

iPad 1 has the thickness of a first gen product which many would argue is more desirable to look at. iPad 2 is sleeker like the iPod touch look, and has a speaker which has been moved slightly to the back vs the bottom.

I personally went to the apple store to see this new iPad 2. I spent 3 minutes with it, up close and personal. Opened the NYtimes website to see how safari handled it. Checkerboards up, checkerboards down. Played around with things I do with our iPad 1 and did not notice one significant difference in speed or change at all.

Camera- no question- it's an addition. Iphone4 has a better one though, and most here have a smartphone with a better camera than this, correct?

So; I ask- what on earth is with this histeria over this new update?
iPad1 seems like a complete steal next to this.

Is ipad2 better? Idk. Is ipad2 worth 150 more than iPad1 (refurb) I don't think it is at all.

This is not meant to be a bash against this wildly popular product launch. I simply question the craze over it when the iPad 1 is a moment away, cheaper, and every bit as good. It may not be equal, but I dare say that using one over the other is not the experience of using The iPhone 1 vs. The 3GS- now that was night and day.

Maybe most of this has to do with no stock. People want most what they cannot have.

I'm passing on the iPad 2. May pick up 2 more 1st gens.

If you didn't notice any difference in speed, then there's something wrong with your powers of perception. I have both iPads right now and the new one is noticeably snappier and apps load up significantly quicker. Not that the old one is slow, but it is a bit "laggy" at some things. For example, often when you start typing, the first few characters don't show up right away, which is annoying. On the new one, those kind of issues are gone.

 

[iJays]

If you didn't notice any difference in speed, then there's something wrong with your powers of perception. I have both iPads right now and the new one is noticeably snappier and apps load up significantly quicker. Not that the old one is slow, but it is a bit "laggy" at some things. For example, often when you start typing, the first few characters don't show up right away, which is annoying. On the new one, those kind of issues are gone.

try resetting the iPad1 to factory settings as in clean installation as iPad2 and do the fair comparison.

 

[kwajkat]

Gee my 3 minute experience with the Ipad 2 made me notice a significant change between my ipad 1 and the 2, So much so I went ahead and ordered one. My 3 minutes also helped me decided that I really like the black one over the white which was an issue for me since I watch a lot of movies with mine.

Of course it did not help me decide which model I want more the wi-fi or the 3g

 

[tigres]

Gee my 3 minute experience with the Ipad 2 made me notice a significant change between my ipad 1 and the 2, So much so I went ahead and ordered one. My 3 minutes also helped me decided that I really like the black one over the white which was an issue for me since I watch a lot of movies with mine.

Of course it did not help me decide which model I want more the wi-fi or the 3g

Gee, then you overpaid by 150 USD, because iPad 1 does movies too. Point of the thread BTW.

 

[DS3]

And by the way, checker boarding Is only there if you have a bunch of windows open and multi-tasking programs running. If you have just a few websites up I get no checker boarding scrolling around a 500 post thread with images unless I try to do it at some inhumane speed to induce it.

And tigres playing movies had nothing to do with why he thought it was better...

 

[rkahl]

Lastly, it really bothers me when people toss feelings of others self worth, by not owning or not having said device.

By saying that... couldn't owners of iPad 2 be bothered by your own remark (being that you do not own an iPad 2)?

 

[malnar]

1) 3 minutes, really?

2) You are taking a snapshot in time right now. Once apps are developed to take advantage of the new hardware, say 6 months from now, the difference could be drastically different.

3) An Ipad 1 owner skipping iPad 2 IMO, is a much different situation than suggesting people who don't own one to skip the iPad 2. Is that what you are suggesting?

You're missing his point entirely. He's saying that anyone, period, considering the iPad 2 should look at the bigger picture, that being that the upgrades are, overall, kind of a smaller step than most might consider worth the cost difference. $350 vs. $500? You have to understand this, right? I've seen many reviews that state the same thing. For a pretty significant price difference, you really aren't giving up that much performance. Even at "new" pricing of $400, the iPad 1 is no slouch. While it's entirely possible, and probable, that Apple will introduce features in iOS 5 that lock out iPad 1, they will likely be fairly minimal things in the big scheme of things. Most people will probably be very happy with an iPad 1 and enjoy saving a big chunk of money - and then next year they can make the BIG upgrade.

 

[Brien]

You bring up some good food for thought.

Someday Apple will put out an iOS update that excludes the original iPad. Those chasing after the iPad 2 are getting a device that will stay relevant longer - whether they know it or not, or care.

I do have to hope that Apple is less aggressive in this regard than vs. the iPhone, considering it's intended purpose as a laptop replacement for many people. If people are getting short-changed 1 or 2 years into their device, ouch.

 

[QCassidy352]

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1) 3 minutes, really?

2) You are taking a snapshot in time right now. Once apps are developed to take advantage of the new hardware, say 6 months from now, the difference could be drastically different.

3) An Ipad 1 owner skipping iPad 2 IMO, is a much different situation than suggesting people who don't own one to skip the iPad 2. Is that what you are suggesting?

You're missing his point entirely. He's saying that anyone, period, considering the iPad 2 should look at the bigger picture, that being that the upgrades are, overall, kind of a smaller step than most might consider worth the cost difference. $350 vs. $500? You have to understand this, right? I've seen many reviews that state the same thing. For a pretty significant price difference, you really aren't giving up that much performance. Even at "new" pricing of $400, the iPad 1 is no slouch. While it's entirely possible, and probable, that Apple will introduce features in iOS 5 that lock out iPad 1, they will likely be fairly minimal things in the big scheme of things. Most people will probably be very happy with an iPad 1 and enjoy saving a big chunk of money - and then next year they can make the BIG upgrade.

The problem is that your terms are entirely subjective. $100-150 is a "pretty significant price difference," but sacrificing dual core processor, new graphics, and twice the RAM "isn't giving up much performance"?

Depending on how much money you have to spend, the former is definitely debatable. That's one nice meal for two for a lot of people. the latter is even more debatable. If your point is that the iPad 1 is "fast enough," then that's one thing (but again, I think your opinion on that will change with new software and os releases). But if your point is that the iPad 2 isn't much faster, that's clearly and demonstrably false.

 

[PacMan3000]

I'm actually happy someone started this thread, because this is the exact issue I'm weighing right now. Having never owned an iPad but really liking the device, I'm wondering which I should buy: iPad 1 or 2.

At first I was leaning towards iPad 2. It's thinner, lighter, and faster. But after watching tons of YouTube videos...it doesn't blow away the iPad 1 in speed. It seems it's a good 3 seconds faster in loading a typical web page, for example. And I'm sure it's faster than that for games, but I have a PS3.

I guess for me, I look at it like this--I recognize the iPad is not a need buy. I have an iPhone. I have a desktop. I don't "need" the iPad. I know it's a "want" purchase. So if I can save money, especially if I bought a refurbished 32 GB wifi iPad 1 for $429, I'm saving almost $200 off the same model for iPad 2. I can put that money towards a dock or camera connector kit, or the Digital AV/HDMI connector to output downloaded movies to my HDTV.

I'm still going back and forth. But I think I'm leaning towards an iPad 1.

 

[Jcoz]

You're missing his point entirely. He's saying that anyone, period, considering the iPad 2 should look at the bigger picture, that being that the upgrades are, overall, kind of a smaller step than most might consider worth the cost difference. $350 vs. $500? You have to understand this, right? I've seen many reviews that state the same thing. For a pretty significant price difference, you really aren't giving up that much performance. Even at "new" pricing of $400, the iPad 1 is no slouch. While it's entirely possible, and probable, that Apple will introduce features in iOS 5 that lock out iPad 1, they will likely be fairly minimal things in the big scheme of things. Most people will probably be very happy with an iPad 1 and enjoy saving a big chunk of money - and then next year they can make the BIG upgrade.

Those reviews, which I have read, are ALL talking about iPad 1 owners upgrading, show me one or more than one review that says 1st time buyers of the iPad should purchase the original instead of the 2nd please.

And I responded by saying that those "upgrades" only seem slight because the software running on them is largely the same, and that future apps and iOS versions may yield a much more significant difference in 6 months time.

You have to understand this, right? Because he did, when he responded to my post....

My advice to anyone with the first was to wait for iPad 3, but on the otherhand, unless your financial situation indicates that the $150 dollar savings is more meaningful than the upgraded hardware/future proofing in anticipation of more demanding software being written, it is NOT a good deal to buy the original OVER the 2nd.

Now that is just my opinion, the one I gave to my parents (dont upgrade) and my friend a first time buyer (get the 2nd).

YMMV.

 

[camelsnot]

As far as value goes, it's definitely a better value than the 2.

2 will be a better value in the long run when iOS 5.24 is released and it kills support for iPad 1 or at a minimum makes the screen slow to a crawl, forcing users to buy an iPad 2 or ipad 3 as there will be no factory restore.

Have fun with cheap old technology. Apple wins even more from you types.

 

[zenio]

I agree. I have both.

 

[iJays]

2 will be a better value in the long run when iOS 5.24 is released and it kills support for iPad 1 or at a minimum makes the screen slow to a crawl, forcing users to buy an iPad 2 or ipad 3 as there will be no factory restore.

Have fun with cheap old technology. Apple wins even more from you types.

oh no..my ipad1 will not be able to play movies and i won't be able to use the apps i already bought......not.

 

[dmaul1114]

One of the main reasons I held off on getting an iPad 1 is I wanted a webcam for Skype.

So iPad 2 is the one for me. I also like the smart cover, paired with a neoprene sleeve for when throwing it in a bag.

I don't have kids, and I don't drop my gadgets and prefer to use most of them naked or with a very minimal case.

But being cheaper, the iPad 1 is a better value for people who don't need the webcam and won't run iMovies, some games etc. that may need the extra power to run smoothly.