I'd be willing to bet in a double blind test of everyday use you wouldn't notice any difference. It comes down to the fact that it's new, shiney, and the latest.
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I'd be willing to bet in a double blind test of everyday use you wouldn't notice any difference. It comes down to the fact that it's new, shiney, and the latest.
Jb, thanks for the thought out response. But it really doesn't answer the question. I want to know what people would consider to be a "upgrade" and not a bump. Not what makes the iPad 2 a minor bump, but what *would make it a full fledged "upgrade". ie, what is it missing? Or what could they have done differently. And I'm hoping for an argument that is within reason. I mean, sure we would all like our iPads to be miracle machines, but that's not going t happen...
Many of you are talking about a $150 difference between the iPad 1 and iPad 2. Well what very few individuals mentioned was the slashed prices on AT&T's website. I just ordered last night, the iPad original 64GB with 3G for $529! Even though I had to get a $25 plan, they're giving me a month free so $25 for 2 months is great. I'll just cancel and use as needed thereafter. I'll be using this for work and traveling inter-island here. Plus I'll be traveling to areas that don't always have free public wifi.
I bought my iPad 1 64GB Wi-Fi only on launch day and loved it for consuming purposes and realize I can (now) afford AT&T's data plan (not every month but whenever I needed it). Plus I used mywi
most of the time and yet, I still used little data. Well anyway, sorry for going off-topic, I sold my iPad 1 that I bought on launch day for to get another iPad 1 64GB, but with 3G because I felt that the iPad 1 covered my bases in healthcare.
Now about the iPad 2. I've read many threads and google news, youtube, etc...regarding those who already have the iPad 1 and honestly, I did not see reviews trying hard to convince you to buy an iPad 2. I agree it is beautiful, faster, lighter/thinner, "improved", but I just could not give up the deal on AT&T's website for a top of the line 3G iPad that fitted MY needs. I know the HSUPA is not on iPad 1 compared to iPad 2, but at least the HSDPA would be fast enough to keep me happy. Overall, I was sitting on the fence looking both ways and leaned more toward saving some bucks since I wanted a 3G version. I'm usually the guy that wants the latest tech, but this time, I'm trying to be more conservative for myself. So I do not think it's fair to not mention this deal on AT&T's website. I'm not even sure many people are aware of this deal locally since that 64GB 3G version brand new is online special only as it says though I read in these posts that someone got it price matched. Well, I would love to have the thinner form factor, but I cringe when I think about paying nearly $900 for a newer 64GB 3G AT&T version that also has burdening hardware issues (light leak).
Initially I was going to get both the iPad 1 64GB 3G from AT&T and the new iPad 2 with same specs, but maybe I'll force myself to be patient and just...wait. Sorry for the long and detailed post.
I bought my iPad 1 64GB Wi-Fi only on launch day and loved it for consuming purposes and realize I can (now) afford AT&T's data plan (not every month but whenever I needed it). Plus I used mywi
most of the time and yet, I still used little data. Well anyway, sorry for going off-topic, I sold my iPad 1 that I bought on launch day for to get another iPad 1 64GB, but with 3G because I felt that the iPad 1 covered my bases in healthcare. Now about the iPad 2. I've read many threads and google news, youtube, etc...regarding those who already have the iPad 1 and honestly, I did not see reviews trying hard to convince you to buy an iPad 2. I agree it is beautiful, faster, lighter/thinner, "improved", but I just could not give up the deal on AT&T's website for a top of the line 3G iPad that fitted MY needs. I know the HSUPA is not on iPad 1 compared to iPad 2, but at least the HSDPA would be fast enough to keep me happy. Overall, I was sitting on the fence looking both ways and leaned more toward saving some bucks since I wanted a 3G version. I'm usually the guy that wants the latest tech, but this time, I'm trying to be more conservative for myself. So I do not think it's fair to not mention this deal on AT&T's website. I'm not even sure many people are aware of this deal locally since that 64GB 3G version brand new is online special only as it says though I read in these posts that someone got it price matched. Well, I would love to have the thinner form factor, but I cringe when I think about paying nearly $900 for a newer 64GB 3G AT&T version that also has burdening hardware issues (light leak).
Initially I was going to get both the iPad 1 64GB 3G from AT&T and the new iPad 2 with same specs, but maybe I'll force myself to be patient and just...wait. Sorry for the long and detailed post.
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Someone a few pages back said that to compare a refurb gen1 (which saves you $50-75 bucks) to a new gen2 iPad isn't an "apples to apples"comparison. That's ridiculous.
To say that comparing buying a refurb iPad1 vs buying a new iPad2 is "not comparing apples to apples" is ridiculous. The packaging on a refurb unit might not be as pretty, and the battery might be slightly less new on a refurb vs. new, but they are essentially exactly the same. My opinion about Apple products when it comes to buying refurbished is only people who either don't know any better or with too much money to know what to do with would frown on getting a refurb unit, or suggest "it isn't the same" as a new one.
But if you really want to compare "apples to apples" when considering the value of purchasing a refurb gen1 iPad vs. something equivelent of the iPad2 variety, then compare the gen1 refurb to an opened and played with for a weekend and then sold on ebay or craigslist iPad2. They actually sell for more than original retail.
A 16GB wifi iPad2 sells for $499 retail (which is $550 with tax in my home state) and for about $650 on craigslist. If you buy one of these at the store for $499+tax, you can easily sell it for $650. If you buy one and then choose to keep it rather than selling it, you give up that money you could make by selling it.
So when comparing a refurb iPad1 to a "new" iPad two, it seems most fair to use the street market price for the iPad2. Right now, the street market price of a 16GB wifi only iPad two is about $650; looking at recently completed auctions on ebay, the cost of a 16GB wifi only gen 1 iPad right now looks to be around $375, with shipping. (A lot of them come with a free case - which would have cost you $25 on Amazon, and if you buy the smart cover for the iPad2, you'll be out $30.) Doing the math we have $650-$375=$275 Is the new one worth that much more? No. Not to me.
I actually bought an iPad2 on Friday night, March 17th. I got to the Apple store at 7:30pm and was told there weren't any available. I went in the store to look at Macbook airs, surfed the MacRumors site for about an hour, and then at 8:45 was told by an Apple store worker that actually, they would have some available. I bought the 16GB wifi only version. Paid $550, including tax. Took it home and played with it non stop for three days. On Monday evening, I sold it to a guy on craigslist for $625. (I know, I could have gotten more for it...).
I sold it because I decided I really did want a 3G version. I had thought I would be able to use it as a GPS in my car (with downloaded maps), but the GPS function (not just a rough guestimation of where you are) only comes with the G3 chip. And I also decided I really wanted more than 16GB. I had thought that I would be able to take advantage of the Air Video app to stream videos from my laptop, which are saved as AVIs... doing on-the-fly conversion of the AVI files (it is a cheap old laptop with a slow processor, so handbrake conversion takes forever); and Air Video would and could work perfectly for me, but my computer wasn't able to process video and stream it to my iPad without choking. Since my computer is too slow to do that, I realized I needed more disk space too on the iPad if I wanted to watch my videos on it. (I'll have to convert all the AVIs to iPad format, which takes forever with my computer, but I'm okay with that.) But with only 16GBs on the iPad, I'd then have to store multiple copies on my computer hard drive. If I'm going to have to spend time converting a file, I want to be able to just store it on the iPad.
I realized: If you want to store very many videos on an iPad, you really need more space than 16GB.
So I sold the iPad and started thinking about going back to the Apple store to buy another, this time a 32GB 3G version for $729, which comes to around $795 with tax, where I live. I either need a smart cover or some kind of case to protect it, so I have to add another $45 to that ...so I'd be spending right around $840.
And then I started thinking... Do I really to spend this much money for this thing? As of this weekend, AT&T is selling 64GB g3 iPad1 for $529, which comes to $576 with tax. $795-$576=$219. And yes, it's only a $219 difference, and I can afford it right now... But do I really need to spend my money ... $200 ... on a slightly fancier iPad with two crappy cameras on it? When I've already got a perfectly good canon digital camera from a few years ago? If I'm going to spend over $800 for a machine that doesn't even have a keyboard, I could just get myself a new laptop that doesn't suck.
But I don't want a new laptop, I want an iPad. I'll use it for surfing the web, email, GPS map function, watching al jazeera, and looking at the movies and mp3s I've downloaded from various places on the web. I want an iPad because it is so extremely portable, and most importantly, because I can get cheap 3G coverage for it. I am fairly sure 200MB will be enough for me... I only want it for occasionally accessing maps and for sending and receiving email when away from home. I have a 1st gen iPhone (which a friend gave me), and I only pay $30/month for my cellphone bill with T-Mobile (for $30 I get 1500 minutes and/or texts with 30MB of data per month), so even after paying $15/month for 3G for the iPad, I'll still be spending less than half what most people pay for their fancy iPhone service). So anyway, I know I want the 3G and I am pretty sure I want at least 32GB. Like everyone else, I'd like the latest and greatest of everything, and maybe the iPad2 32GB 3G version really is actually worth $210 (the price diffence with tax included) more than the 64GB 3G version of last years model. The old one might depreciate even more over the coming year than it did in it's first year...
But when I looked on ebay tonight and saw that I could get a slightly used (no dents or scratches) 32GB 3G iPad1 with a case for $430 (that's about the average price those models are closing for now, with another $10 for shipping.) ... I recalculated again. $729 +40 (for a case) + tax = $838 (where I live). That's the cost of the new one if I get lucky and they have one in the Apple store the next time I go there at 5:30 in the morning to wait in line for 4 hours. Versus: a slightly used iPad1 of the same capacity and also with 3G, which basically does everything I want it to do, for $440, with shipping included. The new one comes with a warranty and all those bells and whistles. But is the new one really worth an extra $400 (to someone like myself)? Definitely not.
But... If I really wanted a 3G iPad2 (and wanted to save $110), I could get the 16GB version iPad2 with a cover for $729, after tax. That's only $289 more than a 3G 32 iPad1 with a case on ebay. So should I (or anyone like me) spend almost $300 more for the "latest and greatest", and get only 16Gb of storage? Again, the answer is definitely not.
Someone a few pages back said that to compare a refurb gen1 (which saves you $50-75 bucks) to a new gen2 iPad isn't an "apples to apples"comparison. That's ridiculous.
To say that comparing buying a refurb iPad1 vs buying a new iPad2 is "not comparing apples to apples" is ridiculous. The packaging on a refurb unit might not be as pretty, and the battery might be slightly less new on a refurb vs. new, but they are essentially exactly the same. My opinion about Apple products when it comes to buying refurbished is only people who either don't know any better or with too much money to know what to do with would frown on getting a refurb unit, or suggest "it isn't the same" as a new one.
But if you really want to compare "apples to apples" when considering the value of purchasing a refurb gen1 iPad vs. something equivelent of the iPad2 variety, then compare the gen1 refurb to an opened and played with for a weekend and then sold on ebay or craigslist iPad2. They actually sell for more than original retail.
A 16GB wifi iPad2 sells for $499 retail (which is $550 with tax in my home state) and for about $650 on craigslist. If you buy one of these at the store for $499+tax, you can easily sell it for $650. If you buy one and then choose to keep it rather than selling it, you give up that money you could make by selling it.
So when comparing a refurb iPad1 to a "new" iPad two, it seems most fair to use the street market price for the iPad2. Right now, the street market price of a 16GB wifi only iPad two is about $650; looking at recently completed auctions on ebay, the cost of a 16GB wifi only gen 1 iPad right now looks to be around $375, with shipping. (A lot of them come with a free case - which would have cost you $25 on Amazon, and if you buy the smart cover for the iPad2, you'll be out $30.) Doing the math we have $650-$375=$275 Is the new one worth that much more? No. Not to me.
I actually bought an iPad2 on Friday night, March 17th. I got to the Apple store at 7:30pm and was told there weren't any available. I went in the store to look at Macbook airs, surfed the MacRumors site for about an hour, and then at 8:45 was told by an Apple store worker that actually, they would have some available. I bought the 16GB wifi only version. Paid $550, including tax. Took it home and played with it non stop for three days. On Monday evening, I sold it to a guy on craigslist for $625. (I know, I could have gotten more for it...).
I sold it because I decided I really did want a 3G version. I had thought I would be able to use it as a GPS in my car (with downloaded maps), but the GPS function (not just a rough guestimation of where you are) only comes with the G3 chip. And I also decided I really wanted more than 16GB. I had thought that I would be able to take advantage of the Air Video app to stream videos from my laptop, which are saved as AVIs... doing on-the-fly conversion of the AVI files (it is a cheap old laptop with a slow processor, so handbrake conversion takes forever); and Air Video would and could work perfectly for me, but my computer wasn't able to process video and stream it to my iPad without choking. Since my computer is too slow to do that, I realized I needed more disk space too on the iPad if I wanted to watch my videos on it. (I'll have to convert all the AVIs to iPad format, which takes forever with my computer, but I'm okay with that.) But with only 16GBs on the iPad, I'd then have to store multiple copies on my computer hard drive. If I'm going to have to spend time converting a file, I want to be able to just store it on the iPad.
I realized: If you want to store very many videos on an iPad, you really need more space than 16GB.
So I sold the iPad and started thinking about going back to the Apple store to buy another, this time a 32GB 3G version for $729, which comes to around $795 with tax, where I live. I either need a smart cover or some kind of case to protect it, so I have to add another $45 to that ...so I'd be spending right around $840.
And then I started thinking... Do I really to spend this much money for this thing? As of this weekend, AT&T is selling 64GB g3 iPad1 for $529, which comes to $576 with tax. $795-$576=$219. And yes, it's only a $219 difference, and I can afford it right now... But do I really need to spend my money ... $200 ... on a slightly fancier iPad with two crappy cameras on it? When I've already got a perfectly good canon digital camera from a few years ago? If I'm going to spend over $800 for a machine that doesn't even have a keyboard, I could just get myself a new laptop that doesn't suck.
But I don't want a new laptop, I want an iPad. I'll use it for surfing the web, email, GPS map function, watching al jazeera, and looking at the movies and mp3s I've downloaded from various places on the web. I want an iPad because it is so extremely portable, and most importantly, because I can get cheap 3G coverage for it. I am fairly sure 200MB will be enough for me... I only want it for occasionally accessing maps and for sending and receiving email when away from home. I have a 1st gen iPhone (which a friend gave me), and I only pay $30/month for my cellphone bill with T-Mobile (for $30 I get 1500 minutes and/or texts with 30MB of data per month), so even after paying $15/month for 3G for the iPad, I'll still be spending less than half what most people pay for their fancy iPhone service). So anyway, I know I want the 3G and I am pretty sure I want at least 32GB. Like everyone else, I'd like the latest and greatest of everything, and maybe the iPad2 32GB 3G version really is actually worth $210 (the price diffence with tax included) more than the 64GB 3G version of last years model. The old one might depreciate even more over the coming year than it did in it's first year...
But when I looked on ebay tonight and saw that I could get a slightly used (no dents or scratches) 32GB 3G iPad1 with a case for $430 (that's about the average price those models are closing for now, with another $10 for shipping.) ... I recalculated again. $729 +40 (for a case) + tax = $838 (where I live). That's the cost of the new one if I get lucky and they have one in the Apple store the next time I go there at 5:30 in the morning to wait in line for 4 hours. Versus: a slightly used iPad1 of the same capacity and also with 3G, which basically does everything I want it to do, for $440, with shipping included. The new one comes with a warranty and all those bells and whistles. But is the new one really worth an extra $400 (to someone like myself)? Definitely not.
But... If I really wanted a 3G iPad2 (and wanted to save $110), I could get the 16GB version iPad2 with a cover for $729, after tax. That's only $289 more than a 3G 32 iPad1 with a case on ebay. So should I (or anyone like me) spend almost $300 more for the "latest and greatest", and get only 16Gb of storage? Again, the answer is definitely not.
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You know honestly, I feel it's an upgrade. Why? Because the hardware specs has notably changed...Its lighter, rectangular, different form factor, etc. As well as speed bumps. Now, if the iPad 2 had the same outside look, no retina, and all it had was just inner speed bumps, then I would consider it to be a minor bump. Just like how the 2009 MBPs had speed/resolution bumps in the 2010 MBPs and weight I believe stayed the same with the same form factor.
Fastjon4, for $100 more, you can get a 32GB iPad 1 3G on AT&T's website brand new with warranty.
What? I got defensive because here you are, on an Apple fan forum, saying that people are drinking the Koolaide. How does that contribute to the discussion and why are you here if that's the kind of stuff you say? Seriously.
Just red the starting post.
What's with the point, that selling your iPad 2 when an iPad 3 or 4 launches will return you much more money over trying to sell your 1st generation when a third is available.. I think comparing "financal" things you should consider this point, too.
Cheers
What's with the point, that selling your iPad 2 when an iPad 3 or 4 launches will return you much more money over trying to sell your 1st generation when a third is available.. I think comparing "financal" things you should consider this point, too.
Cheers
Ok, let me see if I have this right. I shouldn't be here if I don't have anything nice to say about your iPad2? In answer to your question, this place is called a forum for a reason. Opposing opinions are given here, whether you agree with them or not.
So again, you're the one being defensive with my jibes and poking a little fun at your iPad2. Relax and accept that not everone's going to always agree with you. It's just a device. Seriously.
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No. Drinking the koolaide is a term that Apple haters use. It doesn't have anything to do with the iPad 2. Your allowed to have your opinion, but I can't think why some one would come to a forum for a company they hate.
I love Apple... proud owner of Mac Mini and iPad1. It's the upgrade frenzy to 2 that I see as drinking the Kool-Aid. Thanks for allowing that I can have another opinion.
Sure. Upgrade-wise I think people were expecting these:
-The screen. It's the primary input. Upgrade it. I think most people were hoping for an upgrade; didn't happen. I'll admit 'retina' resolutions was probably a bit much to hope for -- They could have done something like SXGA- (1280×960, same aspect) though. I also think people were expecting anti-glare to make it competitive with the Kindle. Again, didn't happen. These two things need to be rectified.
-Weight. Make it significantly lighter. This is probably the biggest request you hear on these forums next to retina. A lot of people find the iPad too heavy to hold for extended periods. Shaving off 0.17lb is nice, but shaving off 0.5lb is better. It isn't outside the realm of believability that they could've made that happen.
-SD and/or USB port. Using a dongle is sad. Apple needs to just give up on this one. Every single android tablet comes with this feature. Is a 2 cm slot really gonna ruin the iPad's aesthetic? If they are worried about functionality, lock it down like they do now. Even if you could only access photos, a million photographers would thank you. Just build it in.
-Cameras. I know, I know, it got cameras; just not very good ones. The expectation was it was gonna get an iP4 5 megapixel one, instead it got 0.7 megapixels. For a device that, by design, seems perfect for video chatting, they could've come out of the gate with a higher resolution back & HD front facing camera. I'm sure costs were a concern, so they went bare minimum, and as a result it doesn't really feel like an upgrade. (In fact if you have an iPhone 4, you might consider it a downgrade?) Really though, they're more like an afterthought. Of course, any camera is better than no camera, but still... seems like an upgrade in name only.
-iOS 4.3. Finally, while not hardware, iOS still must be considered. I think people were expecting the iPad 2 to simply behave differently and have a drastically increased feature set as compared to the first. It doesn't. While Apple can obviously fix this whenever, for some reason, I think most people were expecting a more significant iOS upgrade.
Note: This isn't my personal view per se, but rather my opinion on what I believe other people were expecting from an upgrade; I'm sure many had other expectations not listed.
Really, I think a combo effect happened = wild speculation got a bit ahead of the iPad 2 and it also under delivered a bit.
I love my iPad 2 but honestly if the original iPad would have had a camera,(I'm a big Skype user) I would have bought it and probably not have upgraded til the iPad 3 or 4 depending on the upgrades. So now that this one has what I want, I most likely won't upgrade for the next generation
Fastjon4, for $100 more, you can get a 32GB iPad 1 3G on AT&T's website brand new with warranty.
Actually, the 32Gb and 64GB versions from ATT are the same price.
And I've been considering doing that - buying one from AT&T. Tax where I live is 9%, so ATT's 32 and/or 64GB gen1 iPads are $529+tax= $576. That's without a protective case. I'd have to spend (approximately) another $25 for a case if I got it through ATT, so the total would be $600. But you get a free month of the $25/month 3G... so just call it $575. If I went with AT&T I'd get a 64GB version, but I'd be spending $135 more than I would spend on a used one, out of warranty, through ebay. The thing is already a year old, so I don't really want to spend a fortune on it. ... I'm honestly not sure which is the better buy.
Some of the other people in this thread mentioned depreciation.
A new 32GB 3G iPad1 purchaced last year at an Apple store where I live cost $729+tax ... so about $800. Last week they were selling on ebay for about $520, today they are selling on ebay for $420. It's a little higher on craigslist, but you have to pay ebay commission if you are seller, so let's just say if you had one of these today and wanted to sell it, you could get about $420 for it. (or around $440 if you include a case). That's a 53% drop in value (original retail purchase price to resale value) in less than a year. If they drop in value an additional 50 to 55% over this next year (a reasonable guess) then this time next year they will be worth $210. So let's just say it cost $210/year to own a 3G 32GB iPad that is one model out of date.
If you buy the new model, soon after launch date, you'll pay around $800 with tax. You'll lose around $380 in value in one year's time. $380-$210= $170. $170 is the (estimated) premium of going with new over used.
That's a little over $14 per month more.
We have seen that a 16Gb wifi only iPad depreciates about $250 in one year's time (They sold new a year ago for $449+tax...so aprox $550, now they sell for about $300). So the cost of ownership of one of those models (if purchased new, just after they come out) is about $20 per month. If you purchase a year old model for $300 and it declines in value to $150 in a year's time, then the monthly cost of ownership (of an old model, purchased just after the new ones come out) is about $12.50. I would say if you are going to get a 16GB wifi version, it is worth it to get the new model.
For someone (like me) who wants a 3G 32GB iPad:
- It costs $210 per year, for the first year - which is $17.50/month - to have a 32GB 3G iPad that is one generation out of date.
If you get the 3G 32GB iPad1 and go with the $15/mo. 200MB/month data plan, you'll be spending $32.50/month ($390/year) on your iPad.
If you get the $25 2GB plan, you'll be spending $42.50/month ($510/year).
- It costs $380 per year, for the first year - which is $31.66/month - to have a 32GB 3G iPad that is of the current generation.
If you get the 3G 32GB iPad2 and go with the $15/mo. 200MB/month data plan, you'll be spending $46.66/month ($560/year) on your iPad.
If you get the $25 2GB plan, you'll be spending $56.66/month ($680/year).
For someone like myself, who wants a 3G iPad with more storage than the 16GB offers, I think the value of the iPad2 vs iPad1 is much less clear.
Calculating it this way, I have decided that the new one is too expensive. I can afford it, but there are other things I'd rather spend my money on. I want 3G and at least 32GB of storage... so I'm going to get the first generation model.
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As I said in another post, I played around with an iPad 2 (also my brother and girlfriend), and we left with that "meh" feeling. I had enough cash on me to buy the most expensive model, but already being an owner of an iPad 1, I just didn't see or feel a big enough difference to drive me to ever want to stand in line for one. So I started looking at other things, like a MacBook Air.
I've read stories of people paying $1200-1500 for an iPad 2 on eBay, and maybe it's just me- but I'd sooner buy a new MacBook Air or another MacBook Pro or even iMac, and get an iPad 2 a month later. I just don't understand the hysteria surrounding this device, it seems artificial- like it was created and driven by scalpers and resellers.
Bottom line for me is; the iPad 2 is a beautiful device, it's a nice upgrade from the iPad 1, but it doesn't offer me anything that I feel is ground breaking enough from the iPad 1, that I cannot wait a month (or more) for.
I've read stories of people paying $1200-1500 for an iPad 2 on eBay, and maybe it's just me- but I'd sooner buy a new MacBook Air or another MacBook Pro or even iMac, and get an iPad 2 a month later. I just don't understand the hysteria surrounding this device, it seems artificial- like it was created and driven by scalpers and resellers.
Bottom line for me is; the iPad 2 is a beautiful device, it's a nice upgrade from the iPad 1, but it doesn't offer me anything that I feel is ground breaking enough from the iPad 1, that I cannot wait a month (or more) for.
Thanks for the response jb. I agree with a lot of what you said. I think these were the things people were expecting. But (in my opinion) I don't find the lack of these features to cause this to be a minor upgrade. Again, if just the hardware were upgraded (even with added cams) I would say it was a bump. But the drop in weight, new form factor, gyro, and smart covers were enough for me to say, it's a full upgrade.
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the display. I mean, yes, it is the window into the device, but the display of the iPad 1 & 2 look gorgeous. I don't know. To me, an upgraded display would seem like a small bonus equivalent to the smart cover. I'd much rather prefer increased performance & a new form factor (lighter/thinner), but again, that's just me. I'm also excluding retina display from that though. I think it was pretty well known that this iPad wouldn't have retina, as that would be nearly impossible. If some how apple was able to put a retina display on the iPad and keep it at the same price, then I would consider that completely substantial, and I would be super excited! Hope the next iteration (or the next after) gets it.
At this weight, I think 15% is very substantial. I feel the difference, and I think the longer you hold the device the more you'll notice that 15% drop. I'm sure they couldve reduced the weight further, but they would've had to sacrifice bettery life, which no one would want.
The 33% drop in thickness is quite a feat and I don't think anyone would argue that. It's thinner than the iPhone 4 for god sakes, ha. Still blows my mind.
But all in all I see what you are saying jb, I just personally don't find those features any more "upgrade" worthy than what was done to the iPad 2, sparing the retina display, but that's just unreasonable IMO.
for those that don't think this was a upgrade, I hope (by your standards) that the iPad 3 is considered an "upgrade", because that would mean iPad 3 is going to be a groundbreaking, game changing machine, and if that's the case, I'll be lined up on day one
Thanks for the response jb. I agree with a lot of what you said. I think these were the things people were expecting. But (in my opinion) I don't find the lack of these features to cause this to be a minor upgrade. Again, if just the hardware were upgraded (even with added cams) I would say it was a bump. But the drop in weight, new form factor, gyro, and smart covers were enough for me to say, it's a full upgrade.
I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the display. I mean, yes, it is the window into the device, but the display of the iPad 1 & 2 look gorgeous. I don't know. To me, an upgraded display would seem like a small bonus equivalent to the smart cover. I'd much rather prefer increased performance & a new form factor (lighter/thinner), but again, that's just me. I'm also excluding retina display from that though. I think it was pretty well known that this iPad wouldn't have retina, as that would be nearly impossible. If some how apple was able to put a retina display on the iPad and keep it at the same price, then I would consider that completely substantial, and I would be super excited! Hope the next iteration (or the next after) gets it.
At this weight, I think 15% is very substantial. I feel the difference, and I think the longer you hold the device the more you'll notice that 15% drop. I'm sure they couldve reduced the weight further, but they would've had to sacrifice bettery life, which no one would want.
The 33% drop in thickness is quite a feat and I don't think anyone would argue that. It's thinner than the iPhone 4 for god sakes, ha. Still blows my mind.
But all in all I see what you are saying jb, I just personally don't find those features any more "upgrade" worthy than what was done to the iPad 2, sparing the retina display, but that's just unreasonable IMO.
for those that don't think this was a upgrade, I hope (by your standards) that the iPad 3 is considered an "upgrade", because that would mean iPad 3 is going to be a groundbreaking, game changing machine, and if that's the case, I'll be lined up on day one
As will I.
Well, I have to admit. I miss my ipad 1 after I sold it. Can't wait till I get the 3G one from AT&T! They said 2 day shipping? I hope it's soon. i have no ipad right now.
fastjon4, that was heck of a mathematical analysis. I'm quite impressed! I wouldn't have the time to break it down like you did. That also supports my thinking as well. I'll stick with iPad 1 for now and wait till next year since this new one thats coming in should have warranty until March 2012. Now, I'm wondering if I should get applecare for this one to "raise" the value a bit in the long run or not worth it? I'm getting a apple case in great shape on craigslist for $15 tomorrow. . To me, the apple case is a must. Not sure about applecare since I am looking forward to ipad 3 next year...maybe just to be safe, i'll get it cheap from amazon.
fastjon4, that was heck of a mathematical analysis. I'm quite impressed! I wouldn't have the time to break it down like you did.
That also supports my thinking as well. I'll stick with iPad 1 for now and wait till next year since this new one thats coming in should have warranty until March 2012. Now, I'm wondering if I should get applecare for this one to "raise" the value a bit in the long run or not worth it? I'm getting a apple case in great shape on craigslist for $15 tomorrow. . To me, the apple case is a must. Not sure about applecare since I am looking forward to ipad 3 next year...maybe just to be safe, i'll get it cheap from amazon.
Ok, then it is a bigger upgrade than any iPhone upgrade. It is significant in performance and form factor.
I loved my iPad 1. And my iPad 2 is better. I'm not trying to justify my purchase to you or anyone. I'm just saying that I think there is plenty of value to cover $100-200 in additional cost for an iPad 2 for many, many people.
lol. No dogma in my post but I find it hard to believe you would argue the iPad 1 is better than the iPad 2. You might argue that the iPad 1 is a better value than the 2... but iPad 1 is better than 2? Uh no.
I never said buying an iPad 1 was a "horrible choice and (you) lost money." I said that I didn't see the iPad 1 as being the better value for most people. And I wrote a long post calculating the cost differences between the two over the life of the unit. Resale value is certainly relevant in a thread regarding the VALUE of an item. That is the title of the thread after all.
Who is being defensive and should "get over it and move on" again? I think it is the people who don't have the new one and can't be happy with their purchase unless then come on here and tell iPad 2 buyers that we are fools for buying the better of the two iPads at a 20-30% price premium.
Just got it today from the AT&T store price matched to the online price. My online order got canceled and got fed up with the transaction process and just physically went to the store and got it! Boy it's fast enough for me. I played with the iPad 2 and just thought about MY usage and of course, price since I sold my iPad 1 for $560 plus the dock and very worn out apple case with apple care. I won't be buying apple care for this one though. I'll be getting a apple case for $15 on craigslist.
The only advantage the iPad2 has over the iPad1 is the camera. At least for video. If you are a Skype/Facetime user then that's an advantage. The processor and weight/size is not really that much of an improvement.
If someone is budget-conscious and doesn't need video, then it's better to buy a refurb unit from Apple. Refurbs come to you like brand new. Same white box and schnazzy packaging. They also come with new batteries and chassis.
I just opened up a refurb 16GB WiFi unit and set it up for primarily home streaming use. If it wasn't for the cheaper cost ($360 shipped) and serial number sticker on the box saying "Refurb", I wouldn't think it was any different.
Now it's a race to see which device I leave on pre-order: the Xoom WiFi for $599 or iPad2 64GB for $699.
If someone is budget-conscious and doesn't need video, then it's better to buy a refurb unit from Apple. Refurbs come to you like brand new. Same white box and schnazzy packaging. They also come with new batteries and chassis.
I just opened up a refurb 16GB WiFi unit and set it up for primarily home streaming use. If it wasn't for the cheaper cost ($360 shipped) and serial number sticker on the box saying "Refurb", I wouldn't think it was any different.
Now it's a race to see which device I leave on pre-order: the Xoom WiFi for $599 or iPad2 64GB for $699.
I just picked up the ATT deal, however I went to BB. BB didn't want to take that price since it was online only, but lets just say we made a "deal." Now I am a happy iPad 64GB 3G+WiFi camper. Yes it does lag in some places and its not the latest and greatest, but all in all, it does what I want it to do - check email and surf the net.
If something doesn't come up on the ipad, I can always goto the laptop/desktop.
If something doesn't come up on the ipad, I can always goto the laptop/desktop.
Just make sure you call apple soonafter you buy. Apparently, the purchase date was late 2010 and if I didnt call, my warranty would've went out soon in a few months!! I had to send a photo of my receipt to guys at apple phone support to prove I just bought it today. Then they updated the purchase date and I now have 365 days of coverage starting from today. It was kind of a mess but worth it to get it straight!