? What do u mean? And how will I be SOL w iPad 2? Love the evidence/justification people give for their statements.
rmhop, u buy iPad 4 and the world will implode.
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? What do u mean? And how will I be SOL w iPad 2? Love the evidence/justification people give for their statements.
rmhop, u buy iPad 4 and the world will implode.
Can someone explain why resale value rather than usability and meeting one's particular needs should be used to decide "the better value"? Not everyone needs the extra capabilities of the iPad 2, not everyone will need to upgrade the software they use the software they use to do what they need, and not everyone will even sell their iPad 1's if and when they upgrade one day. And an app developer even said here that the hardware improvements will only be useful for specific graphic intensive apps.
Nobody's mad at anyone who bought an iPad 2, but some of you shiny new iPad 2 owners need to stop trying to prove the size of your geek by belittling those of us who bought iPad 1's. Not your money, or your d@nm business. If it's a better value to us, then it simple IS.
Nobody's mad at anyone who bought an iPad 2, but some of you shiny new iPad 2 owners need to stop trying to prove the size of your geek by belittling those of us who bought iPad 1's. Not your money, or your d@nm business. If it's a better value to us, then it simple IS.
^ My question still stands, and I've yet to see anyone answer it. I'm not arguing the "value" of either device (bc value is too relative). I'm trying to come to a clear understanding of what people consider an "upgrade" as apposed to a "minor bump" (which many are calling the iPad 2).
Well, two points for you.
1. This thread, many of the comments and it's title are a little snotty about the iPad 2's value. I don't think it is the iPad 2 buyers who are trying to belittle someone. It is the iPad 1 folks who have said that paying a bit more for an iPad 2 is foolish and only a "fanboy" would do it.
2. Resale value is only important when talking about the economics of a purhcase. Which is the whole point of the thread. You can't say "I saved $100-200" when at the end of the day you didn't. You may have saved $100-200 on day 1 but not on the lifetime of the purchase.
I totally agree. The iPad 2 is more like the jump from the iPhone 1 to the iPhone 3G. Totally different form factor (outside of the screen). Totally redesigned guts. A number of new features.
This isn't the same iPad with just a speed bump.
Please post link to any of your above accusations. Thanks. I think the title is pretty clean and descriptive-non snotty.
Maybe it could be your interpretation of some ideas this thread has raised?
Bizzways:
Do you have a iPad 1? Or have you ever used one?
I think it is best to say it's better for you to try yourself at the apple store or best buy and test for yourself.
Some say it is the cats meow, others say meh. The 2 offers nice improvements, however it has a completely different form factor and build quality.
I like the 1. I like the new price of the original. I believe the original offers 95% of what the 2 has in terms of functionality, and 100% of capabilities for what most need it for.
If you need a camera and FaceTime, or you are a hardcore gamer then the iPad 2 is your choice. If you need if for what most need (web, mail, apps, movies, home sharing, remote desktop etc) it for then maybe the discounted iPad 1 will suite you.
If you want a deal now is the time, if not no biggie, I don't make commission or care how anyone chooses to spend their money. I am just try to show others that sometimes the newest is not the best.
Hope this helps.
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I'm curious why some seem to get upset because some of us have decided that an iPad 1 fits our needs? No one is saying You shouldn't go out and buy an iPad 2 if that is what you want or need.
Take for example, when I first got interested in Macs, I went into the Buying Tips and Advice section of this forum. I listed my needs, and based on that I got plenty of advice. No one got upset when I purchased a product that was less than top of the line. The iPad 1 was all there was a month ago, it will still be a good product a year from now. It won't be the fastest but it will still work. Some of us don't consider the resale value because we never sell our used computers or gadgets anyway.
I'm very happy for everyone that chooses to buy an iPad 2 if that is what suits your needs. But we all need to realize that everyone has different needs and let it go at that I think. I mean we could debate this thing forever and its not really going to change anyones mind or even matter in the end. There is just too much bad stuff going on in this world right now for this to even matter. Anyway, thats my .02 cents. Here's looking at iPad 3 in the future.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately this thread got off base from the jump. (Possibly because the OP's title used the word 'better' which got people defensive.)
People who bought or want to buy an iPad 2 felt their values/intelligence were being challenged for wanting the latest and greatest. People who wanted iPad 1's felt they were being called cheap and shortsighted for wanting the old version.
Ultimately value is a very personal decision. Every user has their own needs and budgets. You could make a compelling case for either model being the right choice depending on their own individual needs.
Unfortunately people here often take a myopic view where anybody who comes up with a different conclusion then them most be 'wrong' and attacked (and mocked and insulted for good measure) for thinking differently.
Your post was just more my iPad 2 is better than your iPad 1 dogma being tossed around here. This thread had nothing to do with "resale value" until a few iPad 2 owners took it upon themselves to tell iPad 1 buyers that they made a horrible choice and lost money. Value is still based on various factors for each individual, not on your financial calculator or your personal choice.
"To each his own" is the only concrete answer to the original question. Get over it and move on.
I think that your original post has a biased view of the iPad 2. Not once did you give a compliment to the iPad 2. While I don't think your post was snotty other people in the thread have made such comments as:
Richard8655 said:
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drenline said:
A problem with your theory that no one has yet to address is that yes, if you buy an iPad 1 right now you will save a couple hundred dollars. But you will lose much more money than ipad 2 purchase when the iPad 3 comes out when you try to sell your iPad 1 (if that sentence made any sense
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Looks more like too much back and forth here, guys if you can afford and really need iPad 2 buy that. If you dont need it and want better value for your money buy iPad1. What is such a big deal about buying either afterall it is a machine.
Okay now I've got iPad 1 3G so big question, what exactly happens with AT&T plan ? Do I need to compulsary sign-up for AT&T plan ? If I dont provide any information about AT&T plan could I still keep using with wi-fi ?
Also what is good case for iPad 1 keeping in mind that it needs to protect it without increasing bulk as I need to let my younger one use it for his special-ed purpose and based on his muscle tone weakness lighter case would be great with good protection.
Okay now I've got iPad 1 3G so big question, what exactly happens with AT&T plan ? Do I need to compulsary sign-up for AT&T plan ? If I dont provide any information about AT&T plan could I still keep using with wi-fi ?
Also what is good case for iPad 1 keeping in mind that it needs to protect it without increasing bulk as I need to let my younger one use it for his special-ed purpose and based on his muscle tone weakness lighter case would be great with good protection.
Why is it necessary that someone compliment the iPad 2 to appear unbiased?
A problem with your theory that no one has yet to address is that yes, if you buy an iPad 1 right now you will save a couple hundred dollars. But you will lose much more money than ipad 2 purchase when the iPad 3 comes out when you try to sell your iPad 1 (if that sentence made any sense
Define 'much more'. Figures please.
I bought the first gen iPad about a month after it released. I used it everyday for hours (literally), and fell in love with the device. It was the most futuristic toy I've owned
But, I proceeded to return the device 2 weeks later (I spent as much time as I possibly could with the device). I knew it was a 1st gen aka apple was with holding obvious features and I didn't want to regret buying it, or be forced to buy a iPad 2 upon release. Now do not get me wrong, iPad one never seemed slow to me at all, it was quite zippy. But... For an extra $150: 15% lighter, 33% thinner, 9x's graphics processing, 2x's the ram, new processor, 2 cameras, a gyro, and an added option to use a smart cover (or any third party interpretation), there is just no question in my mind. Buuuuuuut.... With that said, I'm a tech lover. It's not that I have to have the latest but let's face it, I will always WANT the latest/greatest. But if anyone thinks of this as a "minor bump" their expectations are delusional, that's all I'm saying.
I bought the first gen iPad about a month after it released. I used it everyday for hours (literally), and fell in love with the device. It was the most futuristic toy I've owned
But... For an extra $150: 15% lighter, 33% thinner, 9x's graphics processing, 2x's the ram, new processor, 2 cameras, a gyro, and an added option to use a smart cover (or any third party interpretation), there is just no question in my mind. Buuuuuuut.... With that said, I'm a tech lover. It's not that I have to have the latest but let's face it, I will always WANT the latest/greatest. But if anyone thinks of this as a "minor bump" their expectations are delusional, that's all I'm saying.
I used my iPad 1 every day for a year. Using the ipad 2 now, he upgrade is nice but, this point, it's pretty much a minor bump. Maybe in the future software will take advantage of the increased horsepower. You can throw out all the percentages and numbers you want, but the end user experience isn't much different atvthe moment.
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That's the definition of 'post-pc' and it cuts both ways. Is the iOS experience qualitatively $150 better? The people who are skipping the 2, seem to think not.
Wow, okay.. We are obviously on two different planes of thinking.
And since you felt the need to quote me but still dodge the question I asked...
AGAIN, I ask: "What would have made this *not* just a 'minor bump' but a 'upgrade' instead?"
This sounds like people trying to make themselves feel better about not having the superior product, honestly. . . And I'm in no way saying that I'm better than anyone for having the "best" anything. I just want to understand the thinking behind these claims of "minor bump"... Anyone, anyone..?
I just got a refurb 16GB iPad 1 and the reason I went with 1 over 2 is the $ and the lack of a major performance difference. After reviewing the videos of iPad 1 vs 2 in various tests, the iPad 2 always wins, but most of the time it's by a second on loading pages, opening apps, etc. To me, I prefer the design of iPad 1, and since the performance is so close, I decided to get the $150 off. Plus my plan is to get the iPad 2 or 3 when the 3 is released and pass my 1 on to my Mom. Win/Win/Win
Point taken. I agree with you, as of now the actual experience of using iOS is not worth $150. While it's no doubt better, the margin is slight, but thats what happens when you approach the speeds that technology is at. I would have to go back to apple store and use something like garage band on iPad 1 to really get a feel for the difference. But iOS isn't the full user experience. I'm talking about the complete end user experience. This is a device which is held for long periods, it's transported a lot. Form factor, for example, has a lot to do with the user experience.
For example, PC's are basically all hardware. You'll most likely have the same keyboard, same monitor, same mouse. With something like tablets, hardware is only a piece of the puzzle. And it's a piece that we have yet to see the full advantages of. Techies know, first the hardware is updated, and then comes the beautiful software that can take advantage of that hardware. Apps will be updated and new ones created that can harness the power more efficiently, but that takes time.
All and all.. Those percentages, yes they warrant $150... In my book of course. I completely understand someone who wouldn't see the value in spending the extra money, but again, that's not my question or concern. I'm not arguing the value or worth of the upgrade (i think it is worth it but others don't and I understand why).... Buuuuuut, what I don't understand is why people find this to be a "minor bump". If you are looking for an upgrade that is going to change the iOS experience *drastically*, you are looking for a software update more than a product update.
I had intended to purchase iPad 2 (I have had iPad 1 since July), and was going to keep iPad 1 at home and use iPad 2 for travelling.
I really had intended to pre-order but the meager changes don't compel me to make the upgrade yet. I may change my mind, but only if some of the reported issues on this initial production run are resolved, i.e. backlight bleed.
I really had intended to pre-order but the meager changes don't compel me to make the upgrade yet. I may change my mind, but only if some of the reported issues on this initial production run are resolved, i.e. backlight bleed.
Snotty, eh? Interesting how seriously defensive people get when their precious iPad2 is lampooned.
Are you kidding me? The iPad 2 was not a minor upgrade. It's the same thing with the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS, with the whopping A5 Dual-Core processor the iPad 2 is much faster, and hopefully now we can look forward to a better OS which uses the power of the new GPU and CPU.
What would make this a "major" update to people?
You don't want to see a hardware bump, everyone wants to see an iOS bump. So don't undermine the iPad 2.
Btw, iPad 2 is a better value because the technology has drastically improved and the price has stayed the same, magical no?
What would make this a "major" update to people?
You don't want to see a hardware bump, everyone wants to see an iOS bump. So don't undermine the iPad 2.
Btw, iPad 2 is a better value because the technology has drastically improved and the price has stayed the same, magical no?
I was set on getting the iPad. It fits my life perfectly (I like to bike around and I show work to clients), but I didn't want to spent too much on the device itself. I picked up the iPad2, loved it, and wanted to get it. In hindsight (It's been a week now), I don't think the iPad2 is necessarily my calling. I'm a programmer, and I don't really see the value in the iPad from a power-user's standpoint. I just want something I can use to browse the web in bed or use throughout the day that's instantly on and can last throughout the day, as well as probably play with development (I am a registered apple developer).
I sat and waited for the iPad2, I told myself "Don't get the first gen, don't get the first gen..." after having the aluminum iPhone. Now that the iPad2 doesn't seem to gain much (no retina), it seems almost like the iPad1 was definitley something we're going to see for a while. My plan is to get the first gen iPad (16GB) of ATT's store for $429. That's a steal. I will be in line/preordering the iPad 3 though and my parents would really appreciate the first gen iPad.
**** the haters, you're all too brainwashed by Apple. The iPad blows the galaxy and the xoom out of the water, and there's no going around that. Your post was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
I sat and waited for the iPad2, I told myself "Don't get the first gen, don't get the first gen..." after having the aluminum iPhone. Now that the iPad2 doesn't seem to gain much (no retina), it seems almost like the iPad1 was definitley something we're going to see for a while. My plan is to get the first gen iPad (16GB) of ATT's store for $429. That's a steal. I will be in line/preordering the iPad 3 though and my parents would really appreciate the first gen iPad.
**** the haters, you're all too brainwashed by Apple. The iPad blows the galaxy and the xoom out of the water, and there's no going around that. Your post was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
Yes, minor.
Don't get so defensive. I'll probably end up getting it anyway, but I'll let other people deal with the initial production issues and the desperate furor that seems to be gripping those who MUST have it today.
I lucked out on iPhone 4. Ordered from Apple on 6/15...delivered to me the day before launch, but I lucked out as my iPhone did not suffer from the widespread defects of the initial bunch...yellow screens, yellow splotches on screen, dust under screen, etc. I figure that I'll sit this one out until things smooth out with iPad 2. My iPad 1 suits me just fine.
I agree about looking for a software update. From a purely hardware standpoint, this is why I, personally, think it's minor:
1) Thinness doesn't really matter to me at these levels. Or to put it another way, I don't find the iPad 1's thickness to be an issue. It's thin enough.
2) The weight hasn't been changed drastically (1.5lbs to 1.33lbs). I've seen some reviews where some people say they can't even feel the difference. Regardless, I'm fine with original's weight and can wait for a more significant reduction.
3) I have not run into any ram related issues / I'm fine with Safari's current performance.
4) I don't really use cameras / facetime.
5) The updated CPU and GPU doesn't really seem to be speeding up the core iOS experience in any meaningful way.
6) The screen has not been updated.
7) The music/video playback performance has not been updated (720p on device, same as 1)
Again, a lot of this is subjective, and I don't want to speak for anybody else. Purely my opinion. Also, 2 is a great device, just not worth upgrading to in my books.
In some respects, iPhone 3G was slower than the original iPhone. There wasn't a monumental shift in performance until the 3GS. Just 3G and a reduction in costs and a cheap plastic case.
Regarding the original topic and thread. Clearly the people against the iPad2 don't have one. Have it. Love it. Glad as heck I sold off my iPad one to a "lucky" craigslister 2 days before launch. I wound NEVER recommend an iPad 1 to a friend. EVER.