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As of ATI 5000 series release, DX11 games were: AVP, BF BC2, Metro 2033, Dirt 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat, H.A.W.X. 2, all AAA titles which a LOT of people play. Also, as someone that has owned both ATI and NVidia cards, ATI was and still is (since the 4000 series) eating NVidia alive in every market.

Man, aside from the blatant misuse of the term AAA on the internet (it actually means super high budget, like a Hollywood summer blockbuster movie, not critically praised), these aren't even the greatest games of the time. AVP? Are you serious?
 
I really dont agree. The whole point was for iOS to be a touch based os and osx to be a mouse and keyboard os. Also, osx is built for x64 and ios is built for ARM. Finally, you can't multitask very well in iOS and you can't have 2 windows on the same screen. Not very efficient if you actually want to get work done.

I believe you may be wrong. IOS is coming to OSX sooner than you think. It will be here shortly with 10.7 Lion. They are already laying the foundations with full screen apps. Thats why they have introduced the TrackPad, which you will need to use some of the desktop function's.

My bet is you will get a fully touch enabled iMac within the next 12 months that will lay almost flat on the desktop for IOS or in the upright position for normal OSX programs.
 
Apple fanboys have said that specs don't matter. Now they do? It seems to me they only say this when they know it should be more.
+1.

It's amazing how many on here were bitching about the same screen resolution as the first sanitry towel. Yet now that a crap screen helps out perform a Xoom, Motorola are the stupid ones for offering a better screen?
 
So, some looking into the benchmark shows some interesting bits of data...

1.) According to http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom/ the Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions. However, if you look at the benchmark, you see that it only displays 21 extensions, so the benchmark utility is not registering the additional extensions.

2.) According to the benchmark aswell, it is registering the Xoom tablet as 1280x752.

So all-in-all, this benchmark is flawed right off the bat. It is not optimized for Honeycomb OS at all. If the software can't even recognize the specifications of the Xoom itself, then the results need to be taken with a grain of salt. If you still think this is bogus, then get Apple's dong because you obviously have NO idea how benchmarks or computers work at all. Until this benchmarking software is updated, the results have no bearing.

The benchmark link is below if you want to see for yourself. By all means, the Ipad 2 is an amazing device, but you all jump on this stuff way to quickly with false facts and assumptions. If Apple said the Earth was flat, a majority of you would believe it... But hey, if you want to get stupid, the Xoom did beat and massacre the iPad 2 in the camera department according to "benchmarks."

http://glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro20&resultid=11022822&D=Motorola+Xoom


ALSO, I am reading a lot of jabbing at the Xoom for having limited apps right now. Understand, the Ipad came out several months ahead of time, with an SDK already developed. The Honeycomb SDK came out approx 2 WEEKS AGO! It took some time for iPhone apps to be ported over to iPad specifications aswell, so get a clue! I like all the fanboy-ism, but what should I expect from a pro-apple forum filled with a bunch of spoiled teens? Both devices are good, and are marketed towards different people.

Wait, now we have to optimize benchmarks for certain devices? Are you not understanding at all how benchmarks really work?

The rest of what you have to say is mindless drivel - you're obviously a butthurt fanboy, go play with your Xoom camera.
 
+1.

It's amazing how many on here were bitching about the same screen resolution as the first sanitry towel. Yet now that a crap screen helps out perform a Xoom, Motorola are the stupid ones for offering a better screen?

Oh, the screen is crap now because of its resolution? Nothing else matters? Like viewing angles that the Xoom lacks? Plainly, the people still trying to defend the XOOM are the stupid ones...the product just lost in every category but the almighty tablet camera that is sure to sell this to people who want a point and shoot with a 10 inch screen.
 
So, some looking into the benchmark shows some interesting bits of data...

1.) According to http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom/ the Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions. However, if you look at the benchmark, you see that it only displays 21 extensions, so the benchmark utility is not registering the additional extensions.

2.) According to the benchmark aswell, it is registering the Xoom tablet as 1280x752.

So all-in-all, this benchmark is flawed right off the bat. It is not optimized for Honeycomb OS at all. If the software can't even recognize the specifications of the Xoom itself, then the results need to be taken with a grain of salt. If you still think this is bogus, then get Apple's dong because you obviously have NO idea how benchmarks or computers work at all. Until this benchmarking software is updated, the results have no bearing.

The benchmark link is below if you want to see for yourself. By all means, the Ipad 2 is an amazing device, but you all jump on this stuff way to quickly with false facts and assumptions. If Apple said the Earth was flat, a majority of you would believe it... But hey, if you want to get stupid, the Xoom did beat and massacre the iPad 2 in the camera department according to "benchmarks."

So its got a better camera. Who the hell wants to walk around taking pictures with a xoom slab.

I think your missing the point of why the iPad 2 has got any camera's, and its not for taking high quality photo's
 
PC World posted an article a few days ago, saying the Zoom was better
That the iPad 2!!

I wonder if they have seen these stats...

Article link: http://www.pcworld.com/article/221220/motorola_xoom_vs_the_ipad_2_the_xoom_is_a_clear_winner.html

People still read PC World :confused:

I've played with a Xoom, I tried to like it (being a hobbyist game developer I'm open to all new technology because its more platforms to launch my game) but I call it where I see it and the Xoom just isn't there. I have a friend who bought one and was constantly raving how the Xoom is going to crush the iPad, and how it runs flash, and how its 4G, blah blah. He is just like other friends of mine who assume I only follow Apple news so I kept my mouth shut about what I knew about Xoom.

Shortly after he gets it he calls me: "Hey, this thing won't run flash!" Yes. I know. "Omg I have to return this thing to motorola to get 4G!" Yes. I know. "There are only a handful of apps that are optimized for this thing!" Yes. I know.

Needless to say after lots more of these types of complaints you could tell he was disappointed in the Xoom, but of course still bashed my iPad :rolleyes:
 
Oh, the screen is crap now because of its resolution? Nothing else matters? Like viewing angles that the Xoom lacks? Plainly, the people still trying to defend the XOOM are the stupid ones...the product just lost in every category but the almighty tablet camera that is sure to sell this to people who want a point and shoot with a 10 inch screen.

The only reason its got that size screen is so it will play 720p video. By the time there are any decent applications out for Honeycomb it will have been superseded by the next thing Motorola try's selling and will left laying in the dust.

Innovation. Don't you just love it.
 
Xoom is a word processor not good for games.

Just bought Real Racing 2 HD to show off my 2's graphics.

PowerVR devastates Linux-based tabs like Xoom. :eek:

I wonder how the geeks can even own this tab at 11 vs. 44. :confused:
 
You know, all the screen problems, etc and now they have to come up with this half baked benchmark to show how good a crappy product is, wew!
Get a grip, the iPad has seen its day, time to move on.
Who wants a third peice of electronic junk to carry around anyway?
Not I.

All of the ipad2 hype got me interested in tablets and I started to look around. I even borrowed an ipad at work as part of a pilot program to see if they might be worth getting for all of the teachers at my school.
I have to say that the entire tablet experience is underwhelming, and pretty boring after a few days.
Productivity is crap on a touch screen, and without 3g, a tablet is useless as a mobile device.
In my living room, I would rather listen to music, video chat, play games, watch movies or surf the net on the equipment already there than screw around with a tablet.
A good laptop and smartphone today are the best way to go to get the full range of computing and mobile features, from serious video editing to video chatting at home or on the road.
 
Apple fanboys have said that specs don't matter. Now they do? It seems to me they only say this when they know it should be more.

These aren't 'specs', they are real world performance results. Intelligent people care about real world performance, not numbers.
 
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Little dissapointed in that the dual core CPU is clocked at 900 mhz.

Weird to me that apple says 1.0ghz

Two sites are saying it's 900
 
Flash working great on my iPad 2!!!

Just loaded the iSwifter app (free for a limited time) and my flash website I designed back in 2004 is working perfectly!!!! :D The new PowerVR chip is powering it out!!!

Made my day!! :apple::apple::apple:
 
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Little dissapointed in that the dual core CPU is clocked at 900 mhz.

Weird to me that apple says 1.0ghz

Two sites are saying it's 900
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I think it's a theoretical value.
 
I can see why the iPad 2 is so fast in graphics:

1) 512 MB of system RAM, so there is more "breathing space" for the CPU/GPU to work with.
2) The generally improved speed of the A5 CPU chip, especially now with dual CPU cores and a far faster GPU.
3) The much-improved page layout engine of the Safari web browser in iOS 4.3.

Small wonder why even really complex web pages like the front page of SFGate.com (the home page of the San Francisco Chronicle) renders really quickly on the iPad now.
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Really?

You know, all the screen problems, etc and now they have to come up with this half baked benchmark to show how good a crappy product is, wew!

Get a grip, the iPad has seen its day, time to move on.

Who wants a third peice of electronic junk to carry around anyway?

Not I.

Its not just that they're talking about an apple product. It shows the future of all mobile devices--flash memory, smaller, more and more able to do what we need. That's part of what the report shows me.
 
These aren't 'specs', they are real world performance results. Intelligent people care about real world performance, not numbers.

How is this "real world performance"? GLBenchmark 2.0 is a synthetic benchmark.
If two of the same "real world" applications are tested alongside each other on bothe platforms and one outperforms the other then that would be a real world test.

After years of benchmarking using the likes of 3DMark, I've learned that synthetic benchmarks can be and are manipulated via optimisations for specific benchmarks (not that I suspect this has been). Things like this happen.

I'm impressed with the performance of the iPad 2 looking at this benchmark but would really like to see how this performance helps in the real world. This isn't the be all and end all of results afterall.
 
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Little dissapointed in that the dual core CPU is clocked at 900 mhz.

Weird to me that apple says 1.0ghz

Two sites are saying it's 900

It scales dynamically.
 
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WiiDSmoker said:
Apple fanboys have said that specs don't matter. Now they do? It seems to me they only say this when they know it should be more.

The difference is that these increased specs are running iOS, which is far beyond the unpolished hot mess that is Android. I don't care about specs on Android. Quantum computers from the year 3000 could be running Android and it would still suck a koala's dick.
 
This honestly surprises me. Not that it's way the hell faster than an iPad 1, but how completely it devastates the Xoom. Given that the Xoom uses a CPU of about the same performance, and is in general terms a tablet of the same generation as the iPad 2, I was expecting it to clock in roughly the same graphics performance as well. Either Android's driver is a huge drain on the GPU (unlikely) or the Tegra 2 is seriously lacking in GPU grunt... which is pretty embarrassing given Nvidia's history. Certainly not (V)RAM, since the iPad has half what the Xoom does.

This is coming from Anandtech, too, so they're not exactly a biased source.

If the Xoom's performance is similar to the Galaxy Tab 10.1, that might explain why that Samsung exec was so freaked out.
 
So,

1) the iPad only has a 900MHz dual core instead of the advertised 1GHz
2) the CPU is only about 50% faster and not up to 2x
3) the GPU is only about 4-7x faster and not up to 9x

Ouch.
 
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