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iPad 2: GPU Benchmarked with Impressive Gains
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PowerVR will license their technology, you do understand this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR
Crazy thought, I know, to think Samsung and others will add chips like these to their tablets in the next few months.
As to the personal attack, whatever. Anything I say or show to refute it will only be seen as a need to and I ready don't need to. I know nothing of you as a person from your postings, so I will not try to compare and contrast our accomplishments. I can just say I pretty happy with where I'm at and with what I have. If you can say the same, then kudos to us both.
My sister got it for Christmas. I used it a couple of times. She did not like it, so I got it not too long ago. So therefore I have only owned it for a short period, but used it for a longer one.
Once...
Motorola sell 15 million Xoom tablets... But they still gotta catch up iPad 2 shipments as well... The debate will be pegged.
But until then... Xoom will be the inferior product.
Xoom 2 will likely be total redesign but by then it's too late... IPad 4g will be upon us.
How many iPads have to be sent back to Apple for hardwar upgrade?
Motorola sell 15 million Xoom tablets... But they still gotta catch up iPad 2 shipments as well... The debate will be pegged.
But until then... Xoom will be the inferior product.
Xoom 2 will likely be total redesign but by then it's too late... IPad 4g will be upon us.
How many iPads have to be sent back to Apple for hardwar upgrade?
Blah blah blah blah. Yeah, you just don't know how good life is unless you have an ATI card. Or in the case of this thread, an iPad2. Makes you wonder how anyone can possibly get through their miserable day without one. I thought world hunger and tsunami's with possible radiation leaks in Japan were a concern. Nice to know it all comes down to iPad2 and ATI video cards
Yes, that's satire. I'd love me an iPad2. I love my iPad1. My ATI cards work just fine thank you very much. Point is, and was, benchmarks do not make the experience. I personally think they belie they actual improvement in user experience early adopters receive. And those that never adopt seem to be living happy fruitful ives and are free to seek a life religious fullfillment (or whatever that Airplane quote is ;->)
This should come as no surprise. Apple is very good at achieving more (in some cases, a lot more) with less.
Less bulk, less cruft, less crap, and without any retarded stickers or dumbass carrier branding all over the device.
It's called optimizing the device for the software - as in, not whoring out your OS to whoever can slam together a box. Thanks to Apple's control . . . we get a superior experience.
I feel sorry for those who shelled out for a Xoom. Shoulda stuck with Apple or just smartened right up and come over to Apple entirely. Some folks never learn.
Less bulk, less cruft, less crap, and without any retarded stickers or dumbass carrier branding all over the device.
It's called optimizing the device for the software - as in, not whoring out your OS to whoever can slam together a box. Thanks to Apple's control . . . we get a superior experience.
I feel sorry for those who shelled out for a Xoom. Shoulda stuck with Apple or just smartened right up and come over to Apple entirely. Some folks never learn.
Did you buy yours yet? I have a new iPad 2 64 GB WiFi which replaces a 32 GB 1st Generation and it is a great product, but that doesn't mean the Xoom isn't a great product as well. I am quite happy with my Droid 2, but I finally got to handle a Verizon iPhone 4 while waiting in line (there was only 3 of us in our rural Walmart) and it was fine, but nothing to drop $600 out of contract for. Listening to you it should have been a "magical" experience and I should have dropped onto my knees to the Apple god for the beauty and the speed, but I didn't. Competition makes products better from everyone and I believe many companies can make great products. You want all other products eliminated because having product choice bothers you. Everyone must look the same and carry the same exact product.
Anyhow I like my iPad 2 and am happy with my purchase, but that doesn't mean other companies don't engineer great products.
I'm trying to understand your point. Are you saying that in the future, other manufacturers might produce tablets that are superior to the iPad 2? So ... the iPad 2 is inferior to future, speculative products?
Wrong. It takes more time than "next few months" to design these chips. Samsung has already licensed the IP from ARM in the form of the Mali GPU for its Exynos processor and they are having a heck of a time both producing the chip and getting a good performance out of it. In the last benchmark Anandtech performed, Samsung's beta Exynos chip with the said Mali GPU couldn't even beat Tegra2. For these problems Samsung is going to be using Tegra2 for most its tablets and even some of its phones in the near future.
You've been very wrong before regarding the iPad processor, claiming a non existent dualcore A8 in the iPad. Then you simply disappeared from that thread when challenged with facts. Just admit it. Apple has the best GPU by far and they also have the best developers who will make games that do the justice, a great combination if you're an iOS gamer. A scary combination if you keep wanting to tell others how crappy the iPad 2 is.
It's worse. He's actually implying that others can simply license the PowerVR IP and produce the new chips with the iPad 2 GPU "in the next few months." Only if things were that simple... while we're at it, maybe they'll use the same chip Sony will use for the upcoming PSP successor. After all it's a PowerVR chip too. Why not just license it and produce it "in the next few months?"
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Wow...wish I hadn't spent the money on my Core i7 13" Macbook pro ...could have got two of these beasts
Maybe next time....
Wouldn't sweat it. Yours is a full-blown computer.
So, some looking into the benchmark shows some interesting bits of data...
1.) According to http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom/ the Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions. However, if you look at the benchmark, you see that it only displays 21 extensions, so the benchmark utility is not registering the additional extensions.
2.) According to the benchmark aswell, it is registering the Xoom tablet as 1280x752.
So all-in-all, this benchmark is flawed right off the bat. It is not optimized for Honeycomb OS at all. If the software can't even recognize the specifications of the Xoom itself, then the results need to be taken with a grain of salt. If you still think this is bogus, then get Apple's dong because you obviously have NO idea how benchmarks or computers work at all. Until this benchmarking software is updated, the results have no bearing.
The benchmark link is below if you want to see for yourself. By all means, the Ipad 2 is an amazing device, but you all jump on this stuff way to quickly with false facts and assumptions. If Apple said the Earth was flat, a majority of you would believe it... But hey, if you want to get stupid, the Xoom did beat and massacre the iPad 2 in the camera department according to "benchmarks."
http://glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro20&resultid=11022822&D=Motorola+Xoom
ALSO, I am reading a lot of jabbing at the Xoom for having limited apps right now. Understand, the Ipad came out several months ahead of time, with an SDK already developed. The Honeycomb SDK came out approx 2 WEEKS AGO! It took some time for iPhone apps to be ported over to iPad specifications aswell, so get a clue! I like all the fanboy-ism, but what should I expect from a pro-apple forum filled with a bunch of spoiled teens? Both devices are good, and are marketed towards different people.
1.) According to http://developer.motorola.com/products/xoom/ the Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions. However, if you look at the benchmark, you see that it only displays 21 extensions, so the benchmark utility is not registering the additional extensions.
2.) According to the benchmark aswell, it is registering the Xoom tablet as 1280x752.
So all-in-all, this benchmark is flawed right off the bat. It is not optimized for Honeycomb OS at all. If the software can't even recognize the specifications of the Xoom itself, then the results need to be taken with a grain of salt. If you still think this is bogus, then get Apple's dong because you obviously have NO idea how benchmarks or computers work at all. Until this benchmarking software is updated, the results have no bearing.
The benchmark link is below if you want to see for yourself. By all means, the Ipad 2 is an amazing device, but you all jump on this stuff way to quickly with false facts and assumptions. If Apple said the Earth was flat, a majority of you would believe it... But hey, if you want to get stupid, the Xoom did beat and massacre the iPad 2 in the camera department according to "benchmarks."
http://glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro20&resultid=11022822&D=Motorola+Xoom
ALSO, I am reading a lot of jabbing at the Xoom for having limited apps right now. Understand, the Ipad came out several months ahead of time, with an SDK already developed. The Honeycomb SDK came out approx 2 WEEKS AGO! It took some time for iPhone apps to be ported over to iPad specifications aswell, so get a clue! I like all the fanboy-ism, but what should I expect from a pro-apple forum filled with a bunch of spoiled teens? Both devices are good, and are marketed towards different people.
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When iPhone 4 prototype was stolen at the bar, one of the things Steve said at the time that Apple product development is 12 to 18 month to the final product delivery. And they have up to 5 designs, not to mention internals like system architecture. Look at Apple tv 2. It kind of looks like a half baked iPhone / iPod main board. Architecture can also be interim design where components are worked around or left out at last minute to keep costs down or excluded due to availability. Suspiciously like iPod touch and that hole left out for the camera... But the pcb designers can work around components excluded. A bit like the guys am watching right now... Integrating a NASCAR into a street sweeper that buzzes the track over 100 mph
So the A6 next year should be 14 times better than the original A4....
No doubt. The A6 may be the first Apple processor to run in a not-too-far-off generation of Macbooks running iOS of course. The Air to be more precise. I'd expect the A6 to have more than 2 cores - 4 to 8. The A6 is far off from now and probably won't be out till 2012.
2012 may not be the end of the world but it certainly will be the announced end of OSX. Lion is the last kitty. iOS will replace OSX and Apple's line of ARM processors will replace Intel's.
<snip>...A bit like the guys am watching right now... Integrating a NASCAR into a street sweeper that buzzes the track over 100 mph
I remember a buddy of mine from a long time ago (and I knew a lot more just like him) who put a much higher-flow carburetor and headers in his Charger 440"More POWER!!" Of course, he was already having to replace his motor mounts every couple of weeks with the torque he started with, plus he had to cut a hole in the hood for his new carb...I wonder if his son is a Fandroid?
It's all well and good but when mister Moto admits he's going to have to re-examine design and os integration then that's pretty stiff...
Along with some basic user testing by early acolytes and testers saying that running the browser, running one of the 16 apps, closing then reoppening causes crashes or locked devices... Well it's pretty telling.
When the device also burns quite a bit more battery power on the same tests to reduce life of usage to below 8 or even 7 hours...
It would seem that Xoom and honeycomb were both rushed to market before a lot of the debugging and user testing done. First impressions count.
As for apps availability... Even with a low iPad native app count.. iPhone/iPod Touch apps can be pixel doubled and are quite useable... Majority of them anyways.
1280x800 = 1,024,000 pixels
1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
Difference: 237,568 pixels
Percentage = 237,568 / 786,432 * 100 = 30.21% more pixels
I think the ratio of the speed in rendering is significantly more than 30% faster. Also, I don't think those playing a game are going to say "well you know, I've got more pixels so its okay that my frame rate is not that good" or "it's okay that these textures lack detail because after all I can see that lack of detail with 30% more pixels".
Xoom certainly has iPad beat in RAM, but that spec will only matter if the Android apps are just as efficient in RAM usage as the iOS apps. More RAM is good for web browsing and such, but I don't think folks are going to notice it as much as graphics performance. Xoom is definitely fast enough in graphics to handle UI animations unlike many of its Android smartphone cousins which lag in this area.
However, graphics is one (of several) areas that iPad has the Xoom beat quite handily. iPad is not better on all counts, but overall I believe it is a better piece of hardware that has a much more finished feel. Xoom is a worthy speedy alternative to an iPad for those who do not want iOS for philosophical reasons or because they already have an investment in Android apps or need an open platform for how they work.
But if Google and Motorola really knew what a tablet "should be" as so many fandroids have claimed then why didn't Motorola release an Android tablet last year? The answer is simple... because they were waiting to see what they might learn from Apple who defined and created a tablet market where so many others failed before them. There is just no way around that.
If you're really expecting OLED to use less power, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed. Barring a massive switch all across the internet to white-on-black text, OLED will use more.
Of course, the trendiest websites seem to be going to nondescript-light-pastel on nondescript-somewhat-darker-pastel, so it might be a wash...
i like this but if Apple was going to use their ARM processors in computers they would need a separate gpu, not a SoC. but i do eventually see osx and ios come to together to just iOS. the computers will run a beefed up version and the mobile devices will run a runned down version. im seeing the timeline of 5-6 more years and they osx will be no more. when the ARM processors become more advanced and can handle big tasks like photoshop and protools. the A5 is a big leap and 2011 is looking more and more like a big hole into apples future.