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iPad 2 Has Industry Scared ********!
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You bet your a$$ Ballmer cares. He desparately wants to be relevant in the tablet space, but he still thinks that Windows 7(or 8) is the answer for tablets, even moreso, after the ARM announcement at CES.
Ballmer thinks that the only reason Windows 7 hasn't worked on tablets thus far, is purely down to the current ARM chips not powerful enough. He absolves Windows of all blame.
I agree about the lack of competition. My friend has a Xoom and my god was it awful. All those ridiculous widgets, and it was so patty just transitioning from screen to screen. I was really disappointed. Maybe hp can catch up, but I'm not optimistic based on my last, and I mean last in every sense, pc laptop that had so many problems and finally just died.
Also, this market is new. When I switched from pc to Mac, I didn't really have anything to lose. If I wanted to go to android now, I would lose all of the iOS apps I've purchased. Give apple a few generations, as in one more, and other companies are going to have a really hard time gaining ground.
I total agree with the iPod analogy. There isn't a viable alternative to such a polished product. The iPad mint be that new product.
Also, this market is new. When I switched from pc to Mac, I didn't really have anything to lose. If I wanted to go to android now, I would lose all of the iOS apps I've purchased. Give apple a few generations, as in one more, and other companies are going to have a really hard time gaining ground.
I total agree with the iPod analogy. There isn't a viable alternative to such a polished product. The iPad mint be that new product.
Microsoft has more chance than anybody to succeed as a real compeditor. I think they're smart to wait and opt out at the moment and watch everyone else fail at the challenge. Every other tablet has been DOA in my book. This gives them time to come up with an entirely different strategy all together. I have no idea what they can come up with to at least take a nice slice out of the tablet market away from Apple. But it's better to opt out, then come up to the plate with a half finished product and tarnish your name like RIM.
Fair point, except Microsoft aren't waiting, they aren't opting out and aren't smart. They are throwing their money resources and time behind adapting Windows 7 for tablets. Something that is proving troublesome and costly for them. It was said by Microsoft themselves that they pulled the team that worked on Windows 7 desktop and transferred them to adapting it for the mobile market.
A previous poster also said about Microsoft coming out with a "from the ground up" touch based OS for tablets. Ummmm this is Microsoft right?
Every version of Windows is based on the same failings of the last with a few more bells and whistles (which prompted me to go to the Mac in the first place). Office is the same, Windows mobile the same.... Seeing a pattern here?
Microsoft don't do from the ground up.
The mistake right now as a competitor is to choose Android as your OS. Google is really dicking it's partners. Google needs to stand up and take blame honestly.
I'm curious to see of Amazon will take a stab at it. If they do, they need create their own OS like rim has and go with Android Apps. Amazon has the Eco system to compete, but they can't get poked in the butt like everybody else by Google.
All google wants to do is sell ads and they are using the hell out of their partners with that crappy OS.
Android Developers aren't making any real money. Google's partners aren't making any money from sells of the devices. Android is on every piece of hardware except Apples which means Google is making tons of money from the ads on these devices. Google is nothing but a pimp thinking all about themselves.
I mean, in the end, it's all about making money, but Google doesn't have a real plan to make sure everybody eats, from Google, to their partners, to their developers.
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Which is exactly why Windows Phone 7 has been a runaway success that has shown itself to be serious competition in the marketplace against iOS and Android...
no, remember, he is waiting for ipad 26...that one will double the memory for him.
Well the market is waiting...and has been for quite a while.
I'm not sure where you got this idea that MS has programers that make new and exciting stuff...at least not a large number of them. All the Windows releases have been very evolutionary, and I expect Windows 8 to be similar.
MS doesn't seem to want to taking Windows Phone 7 to the tablet, which is one of the few revolutionary pieces of software they have. Google has a been able to push one impressive software much quicker then anyone else, although they took some design hints from Apple(to make its a touch screen, prior to iOS being announced, Android looked like BlackBerry OS) Apple did spend a ton of time on software which would become parts of iOS, although they didn't really put effort into a phone themselves until the Moto ROKR failed. And then there is Palm, now part of HP, released an impressive OS after quite a while of sitting around with there market share falling.
Windows Phone 7 should be MS's tablet plan. Apple, HP and Google are all following that model, and while I like that MS is trying to blaze its own trail, being so far behind in the tablet and phone game, now is not the time to attempt to reinvent the market considering how both of these markets recently relaunched
Hopefully they get a nice touch skin, but still so much effort being focused on porting to ARM, who knows what type of eye candy MS will put in.
Don't think it will be a "window" thing, but rather another ipod situation. Apple is still maintaining its itune music ways.
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I love apple products but it's good for consumers if there is strong competition to push apple to innovate. It blows my mind how these companies keep coming out with garbage tablets with no apps. I bought the xoom and returned it 2 days later. All apps would crash and while playing music and surfing the web, the music would skip and pause when looking at heavy use websites
I love apple products but it's good for consumers if there is strong competition to push apple to innovate. It blows my mind how these companies keep coming out with garbage tablets with no apps. I bought the xoom and returned it 2 days later. All apps would crash and while playing music and surfing the web, the music would skip and pause when looking at heavy use websites
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I don`t feel that the 2 products are directly comparable, although I do get your point.
There is no way that Apple will be able to maintain an iPod-like dominance over the tablet market in the long term, different market types.
Just wait until the competition properly gets its act together.
I`m a big Apple fan and love my iPad but their current dominance of this sector is unsustainable in the long-term, too much competition in the pipeline.
Like I say, I want to see Apple pushed, and pushed hard, so they don`t get too comfortable and complacent.
I think they're more similar than not. Music players and tablets aren't essential items, like how phones or main computers are. They're luxury.
If they're essential, price usually rules over quality, for the most part(my main reasoning for the Android smartphone marketshare numbers).
Apple always has percieved higher quality amongst average consumers anyway. Having a killer price too, just seals the deal.
Considering Apple's usually higher priced items compared to competitors, it's amazing that their iPads are cheaper than Xoom. Cook must've worked his magic with the suppliers
I`m happy to be proved wrong but I think the tablet market will be a different place in 12 months.
Ipad 2
A rumor from a Verizon sales guy. He said "the Ipad 2 is going to be very difficult to get because the factory that makes them was destroyed in Japan."
I am a newbie to the board as well as first time Apple purchaser.
At the same store, an employee was flip flopping so bad I didn't know what to do. I didn't purchase.
I went to Best Buy where you can't order because of the sporadic delivery of goods.
One salesman hid the last Ipad 2, 64 gb, wifi 3G. I was determined to ask several staffers.
One sales guy said they had one, 64 gb, wifi, 3G ATT. I just wanted a 16 gig wifi but I bought it anyway. This is my first venture into Apple, I hope it goes well.
A rumor from a Verizon sales guy. He said "the Ipad 2 is going to be very difficult to get because the factory that makes them was destroyed in Japan."
I am a newbie to the board as well as first time Apple purchaser.
At the same store, an employee was flip flopping so bad I didn't know what to do. I didn't purchase.
I went to Best Buy where you can't order because of the sporadic delivery of goods.
One salesman hid the last Ipad 2, 64 gb, wifi 3G. I was determined to ask several staffers.
One sales guy said they had one, 64 gb, wifi, 3G ATT. I just wanted a 16 gig wifi but I bought it anyway. This is my first venture into Apple, I hope it goes well.
If you stop to think about it. Microsoft have some amazing talent at their disposal, and, with Windows 7 have an amazing product.
Consider how easy Apple have it, they have a tiny fixed selection of standard hardware to make their OS run on, and even then they have bugs to fix.
Just imagine having to write a solid and reliable OS that can run on probably a million or many million combinations of different hardware and chipsets.
Motherboard, CPU's, GPU's, Memory, etc etc etc, all from many countries around the world, all bolted together in a myriad of permutations, and expecting to buy Windows install it on their home made combination of hardware, perhaps mixing items brought today with other items bought 5+ years ago, and for it to work reliably.
That is some massive achievement and a giant ask of any piece of software to cope with.
I could never imagine Apple being able to handle such a task at the current time.
I'm not Pro Microsoft, in case you get this feeling, I am pro the openness of windows and anti the closed path Apple it heading down as I can see bad things in the future.
I've no doubt, in time Msoft will come up with something, Who knows, perhaps in the future they will have a tablet that runs Xbox360 games?
There's a long long way to go now, and I'm sure things are going to change a lot in the medium to long term.
Consider how easy Apple have it, they have a tiny fixed selection of standard hardware to make their OS run on, and even then they have bugs to fix.
Just imagine having to write a solid and reliable OS that can run on probably a million or many million combinations of different hardware and chipsets.
Motherboard, CPU's, GPU's, Memory, etc etc etc, all from many countries around the world, all bolted together in a myriad of permutations, and expecting to buy Windows install it on their home made combination of hardware, perhaps mixing items brought today with other items bought 5+ years ago, and for it to work reliably.
That is some massive achievement and a giant ask of any piece of software to cope with.
I could never imagine Apple being able to handle such a task at the current time.
I'm not Pro Microsoft, in case you get this feeling, I am pro the openness of windows and anti the closed path Apple it heading down as I can see bad things in the future.
I've no doubt, in time Msoft will come up with something, Who knows, perhaps in the future they will have a tablet that runs Xbox360 games?
There's a long long way to go now, and I'm sure things are going to change a lot in the medium to long term.
HP/Palm is the only hope left, of a major player getting it right at launch, but by having a gap so huge(5-6 months) between unveiling and shipping product, could mean that it'll be too late for it to capture the public's attention, like the Palm Pre.