iPad 2 Has Industry Scared ********!

[zhenya]

Does Microsoft really care?

I mean, they are primarily and always have been a software company. They don't make PC's they just sell a bucket load of software and make a bucket load of money in doing it, and by a mile are the most successful in the world at doing so.

Sure they make a few mice and keyboards, and have played with a MP3 player and have a nice gaming console out which is pretty much a world leader.

Are they going to fret about not have a own build tablet?

They can just write OS's and Apps for all other tablets and make a mint without having to worry about hardware.

You bet they care. It would be nice if MS could just do their own thing, and excel at it, but in the corporate world, if they don't continue to expand as fast or nearly as fast as their competition, eventually they will be in danger of a take-over. Not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, or even any time soon, but Microsoft absolutely cares about where the computing world as a whole is going.

 

[Stefx73]

A rumor from a Verizon sales guy. He said "the Ipad 2 is going to be very difficult to get because the factory that makes them was destroyed in Japan.".

They're made in China
Some components are from Japan

 

[maclaptop]

Every version of Windows is based on the same failings of the last with a few more bells and whistles (which prompted me to go to the Mac in the first place). Office is the same, Windows mobile the same.... Seeing a pattern here?

Yes, I see how hard you're working to demean Microsoft to suit your story. Time will reveal the twisted nature of your post.

 

[miamijim]

I gota say...

Betamax - VHS

HDDVD - Blu Ray

Tech is moving so fast who comes out on top is always gonna be a gamble.. but I do think Apple have won this one...

Just think about it all PC manufactures are beholden to Microsoft.. (am not including Linux open based systems such as Ubuntu as that is the home PC builders choice...)

There are only 2 OS that is Win7 and all it's forerunners, this is installed on all for sale PC's that are basically not self builds....

There is only 1 other company in the commercial public sales world that makes Computers and an OS and that is Apple....

No other company are gonna come close to producing product that can compete, as the marketing machine behind Apple have got the money spending public in the palm of it's hand.....

 

[erzhik]

I finally understand Apple fans.

1. There are some that actually have a functioning brain cells that want to see a good competition because it will force everyone to innovate and lower the prices, thus making it better for consumers.

2. And there are stupid kids who's brain cell are almost non-active and want everyone else but Apple to fail because they don't actually understand that competition defines the market, the technology and prices. usually these are the people that asked their parents to buy them idevices.

Unfortunatelly, the majority of macrumors users fall into 2nd category. And that article is nothing but rumors. The delay could very well be because of the events in Japan. And yes these event do have an impact on technology even though China was uneffected.

Xoom did its job, it pushed honeycomb out, it stirred the waters and maybe, just maybe it forced Apple to push ipad2 out so soon. If Jobs focused so much on Android in his unveil, that means that Honeycomb and Xoom made him nervous. If he didn't care about it, he wouldn't have talked about it. Hate me all you want, but Xoom and Honeycomb in general is a real competition to ipad.

 

[zetsurin]

I finally understand Apple fans.

1. There are some that actually have a functioning brain cells that want to see a good competition because it will force everyone to innovate and lower the prices, thus making it better for consumers.

2. And there are stupid kids who's brain cell are almost non-active and want everyone else but Apple to fail because they don't actually understand that competition defines the market, the technology and prices. usually these are the people that asked their parents to buy them idevices.

Unfortunatelly, the majority of macrumors users fall into 2nd category. And that article is nothing but rumors. The delay could very well be because of the events in Japan. And yes these event do have an impact on technology even though China was uneffected.

Xoom did its job, it pushed honeycomb out, it stirred the waters and maybe, just maybe it forced Apple to push ipad2 out so soon. If Jobs focused so much on Android in his unveil, that means that Honeycomb and Xoom made him nervous. If he didn't care about it, he wouldn't have talked about it. Hate me all you want, but Xoom and Honeycomb in general is a real competition to ipad.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'd just go on to say tha category 2 goes beyond kids, seems to be one eyed owners in all age groups. It's similar to a concep in the game consoles world: fanboyism.

Brin on competition, bring on further innovation from Apple. And if apple lose this market ultimately, then it means there's competition that have a superior product to sell me. Win-win for me as it's not mandatory for all purchases to sport an apple badge.

 

[fertilized-egg]

I finally understand Apple fans.
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Xoom did its job, it pushed honeycomb out, it stirred the waters

Tell Motorola how wonderfully Xoom did its job of lowering the company stock price by not meeting the initial expectation.

Android isn't a big loving family. It's a platform used by a number of fiercely competitive companies who compete against each other. If Samsung or ASUS sell a truckload of Honeycomb tablets later at a low price, how does that help Motorola?

Moto's in a tough position because they don't have the same vertical integration of Asian manufacturer and the main advantage was that they were the first with a Honeycomb tablet. Now that the Xoom disappointed and a slew of competitions will enter the market with a lower price, will Motorola be happy that the Xoom "pushed honeycomb out" and "stirred the waters" because it helped Google's ambition?

 

[fizzwinkus]

And if apple lose this market ultimately, then it means there's competition that have a superior product to sell me.

because the superior product has always won.

 

[ssampath]

because the superior product has always won.

Unfortunately in the PC industry this lead to a long term Intel/ms monopoly that I think set back personal computing for a few years. It took all the foresight of Steve Jobs to break this both on phones and with the iPad. In fact one could say between Apple 1/2, Macs, iPod, iPhone and now the iPad much of the innovation has come from Apple. I think even in laptops Apple has shown the way with the MacBook airs. They do not seem to need to be pushed to do these things and no one else seems to be able to do it!!

 

[Piggie]

Unfortunately in the PC industry this lead to a long term Intel/ms monopoly that I think set back personal computing for a few years. It took all the foresight of Steve Jobs to break this both on phones and with the iPad. In fact one could say between Apple 1/2, Macs, iPod, iPhone and now the iPad much of the innovation has come from Apple. I think even in laptops Apple has shown the way with the MacBook airs. They do not seem to need to be pushed to do these things and no one else seems to be able to do it!!

Ummmmm..............

Are you seriously saying, if Msoft were nothing as a company and Apple had ruled for the past 20? years for home computing we would be miles ahead in power/performance than we are now?

Personally I would saw we've have been all locked down and miles behind where we are now.

 

[ssampath]

Ummmmm..............

Are you seriously saying, if Msoft were nothing as a company and Apple had ruled for the past 20? years for home computing we would be miles ahead in power/performance than we are now?

Personally I would saw we've have been all locked down and miles behind where we are now.

Msoft has most nothing to do with power/performance - it's Intels chips that keep that going. But that is to the detriment of different form factors - Intel till recently did not have an approved solution for 11" and 12" laptops. And obviously they have nothing for the tablet market.

Ad for Msoft - do you really see a huge difference between Windows XP which is like 10 years old and Windows 7? To me these last wo years in PC/laptop world have been the least innovative years.

 

[mcdj]

Microsoft has more chance than anybody to succeed as a real compeditor. I think they're smart to wait and opt out at the moment and watch everyone else fail at the challenge. Every other tablet has been DOA in my book. This gives them time to come up with an entirely different strategy all together. I have no idea what they can come up with to at least take a nice slice out of the tablet market away from Apple. But it's better to opt out, then come up to the plate with a half finished product and tarnish your name like RIM.

Well you basically just described their exact game plan with the Zune, and the mp3 player market in general, in which every single competitor to the iPod has been either DOA or a marginal also-ran.

RIP Zune.

Next!

 

[tkingart]

There is only one logical way for other manufacturers to compete with Apple's iPad's right now, there needs to be a Windows 7 mobile tablet that runs DirectX 11+ games and current Windows applications. Add to that a store that carries applications and games that were made compliant with a touch interface through an MS developed SDK, and there will be many millions of applications (even if not touch compliant).

Imagine how people would react if they had a 10" tablet with 10+ hour batteries capable of playing World of Warcraft, Rift, or even Crysis 2. This is in my mind is the only logical route for competition to go. Android and the marketplace are too far behind. This is not out of reach, Sony has a gadget running PS3 games right now. I would buy a Windows 7 tablet if it ran DX11 games and apps, I'd be elated to know I could run full blown Adobe Photoshop and 3D Studio Max on a tablet, this would make iPad's seem like toys by comparison.

Here's the catch and it's a big one; I don't expect the competition to have either the balls or innovation to accomplish these things, and that is truly sad. I really hope they prove me wrong here. If I worked at any of the competing companies I'd bring the hammer down hard on short-sighted staff (which likely begins at the top of the chain, not the bottom.) The competition needs innovators that don't need to catch up, just take an existing platform that has defined modern gaming, and make it work on a tablet.

 

[Carouser]

The catch isn't 'balls' or innovation; it's that such a product would price itself right out of contention. Not to mention that it would be competing with gaming systems, not just tablets. Or what about the fact that all that software is far from touch-optimized (play Crysis or run AutoCAD on a touch interface?).

 

[mcdj]

Imagine how people would react if they had a 10" tablet with 10+ hour batteries capable of playing World of Warcraft, Rift, or even Crysis 2.

I imagine a lot of very short sighted and impulsive buyers would be ecstatic to get their hands on such a device, only to have their enthusiasm dashed completely when they discover that playing traditional keyboard/mouse based PC games is totally annoying on a tablet.

By the time you hook up a keyboard, a mouse, and prop the screen up, you have a laptop.

A tablet requires a different way of thinking and interacting. Apple gets this, as do many of their developers.

People need to stop wanting to shove a desktop into a tablet and learn to embrace what sets a tablet apart. It's like saying "A motorcycle would be so awesome if it had 2 doors, a trunk, and a roof."

 

[zap2]

Ad for Msoft - do you really see a huge difference between Windows XP which is like 10 years old and Windows 7? To me these last wo years in PC/laptop world have been the least innovative years.

There have been some impressive handheld desktop running pieces of hardware, but the standard Windows PC has hit a wall, the new innovation needs to come from non-Windows Class(so XP, 7, etc) devices, as those devices force use into an old "mouse and keyboard" set up, where companies like Apple, Google, Palm are trying to innovate without those ideas.

Which leaves MS in an awkward spot, yes most of the PC worlds depends on Windows, but the PC market for desktop OSes is shrinking, MS would be smart to get a coherent tablet plan together.

 

[haruhiko]

Why not get an ipad 1 to hold you until ipad 3? This way you won't be paying twice for apps...

Or maybe he will not pay for anything on his Android tab.

 

[haruhiko]

They may be scrambling a bit at the moment, hence little real competition for the iPad but rest assured they will catch up.

Not anti-Apple by any means, I love my iPad, Mac`s etc. BUT I do like to see healthy competition or you end up with a "Windows" situation.

I really want to see Motorola, HTC, RIM, HP etc pushing Apple to keep ahead.
I can see Apples share of the consumer Tablet market being less than 70% and falling by the end of 2011. (Just imo).

The mobile phone analogy may not hold this time.

Everyone needs a mobile phone. The phone market had been well developed and saturated before the iPhone appeared, thus allowing a number of players to gain a sustainable share in it. Also, there are virtually no carrier restrictions to the iPad.

 

[ssampath]

There is only one logical way for other manufacturers to compete with Apple's iPad's right now, there needs to be a Windows 7 mobile tablet that runs DirectX 11+ games and current Windows applications. Add to that a store that carries applications and games that were made compliant with a touch interface through an MS developed SDK, and there will be many millions of applications (even if not touch compliant).

The only problem with such a table is it would be 4" thick and would have a fan that would produce 60 decibels and would cost $2000.00+. The Intel/MS combine is setup to maximize their returns and a $500.00 tablet is not in their interest as they can no longer charge $250.00 for the CPU (Intel) and $79.00 (MS) for the OS.

 

[haruhiko]

I think competition is great but this is only the 2nd generation of the iPad, give them some more time. Apple didn't start to have real competition in the smart phone market until they had the iPhone 3GS out.

I think the HP Slate when it does arrive will be some good competition. The Web OS shows some real promise. I always did like the Palm OS and hopefully HP does some innovative things with it. But as far as the iPad just being a big iPhone. Then why can't those Android manufactures do the same and just make a big Android phone, then call it a tablet.

You mean the Samsung Galaxy Tab?

 

[tkingart]

The only problem with such a table is it would be 4" thick and would have a fan that would produce 60 decibels and would cost $2000.00+. The Intel/MS combine is setup to maximize their returns and a $500.00 tablet is not in their interest as they can no longer charge $250.00 for the CPU (Intel) and $79.00 (MS) for the OS.

This is exactly the kind of thinking that's going on at the competitions board meetings. I bet before the iPad came out, if Apple was pitching the device in these very forums people would have similar arguments.

I did state they would have to release a touch interface SDK to make apps compliant with a tablet, and I'm sure many optimizations, but it could be done as to not require a ground-up rewrite, thus bringing millions of apps and games to the market sooner.

I've run photoshop on a netbook by the way, which is quite underpowered compared to the quad processor in Sony's new hand-held (psp replacement) toy that plays PS3 games. I suppose that "should" need a massive fan too? My goodness what has this world come to, it's clearer to me now why the competition isn't catching up, Apple snatched the last few innovators of this century, the rest are either working at the competition or lurking on forums expending more energy proving how something can't be done, versus thinking of ways that it can.

This really is a shame, this lack of vision and innovation to find a solution that appears to run in the blood of so many in this generation, that is; except the ones at Apple. There is a solution, but people are quick to write it off in search of the path of least resistance, and that's why Apple is leading the tablet market. It CAN be done. Today's market has no room for nay-sayers of the possibly impossible.

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” ~Albert Einstein

 

[spiderman0616]

I finally understand Apple fans.

1. There are some that actually have a functioning brain cells that want to see a good competition because it will force everyone to innovate and lower the prices, thus making it better for consumers.

2. And there are stupid kids who's brain cell are almost non-active and want everyone else but Apple to fail because they don't actually understand that competition defines the market, the technology and prices. usually these are the people that asked their parents to buy them idevices.

Unfortunatelly, the majority of macrumors users fall into 2nd category. And that article is nothing but rumors. The delay could very well be because of the events in Japan. And yes these event do have an impact on technology even though China was uneffected.

Xoom did its job, it pushed honeycomb out, it stirred the waters and maybe, just maybe it forced Apple to push ipad2 out so soon. If Jobs focused so much on Android in his unveil, that means that Honeycomb and Xoom made him nervous. If he didn't care about it, he wouldn't have talked about it. Hate me all you want, but Xoom and Honeycomb in general is a real competition to ipad.

I don't think Google even agrees with you on that. Honeycomb is not ready for prime time yet and iPad 2 would have come out when it came out no matter what the competition did. You actually have it backwards.

Motorola was rushing Xoom out to compete with iPad 2, not the other way around. It was a gamble that did NOT pay off.

 

[tkingart]

I don't think Google even agrees with you on that. Honeycomb is not ready for prime time yet and iPad 2 would have come out when it came out no matter what the competition did. You actually have it backwards.

Motorola was rushing Xoom out to compete with iPad 2, not the other way around. It was a gamble that did NOT pay off.

Yep. Google took "short cuts" to get Honeycomb to market in time, and they don't even think it would run on most if any other devices as it is now.

 

[ssampath]

This is exactly the kind of thinking that's going on at the competitions board meetings. I bet before the iPad came out, if Apple was pitching the device in these very forums people would have similar arguments.

I did state they would have to release a touch interface SDK to make apps compliant with a tablet, and I'm sure many optimizations, but it could be done as to not require a ground-up rewrite, thus bringing millions of apps and games to the market sooner.

I've run photoshop on a netbook by the way, which is quite underpowered compared to the quad processor in Sony's new hand-held (psp replacement) toy that plays PS3 games. I suppose that "should" need a massive fan too? My goodness what has this world come to, it's clearer to me now why the competition isn't catching up, Apple snatched the last few innovators of this century, the rest are either working at the competition or lurking on forums expending more energy proving how something can't be done, versus thinking of ways that it can.

This really is a shame, this lack of vision and innovation to find a solution that appears to run in the blood of so many in this generation, that is; except the ones at Apple. There is a solution, but people are quick to write it off in search of the path of least resistance, and that's why Apple is leading the tablet market. It CAN be done. Today's market has no room for nay-sayers of the possibly impossible.

Maintaing compatibility with existing Windows applications is neither innovative nor the best thing for the consumers. There are times when new thinking is necessary and this is one of them. Apple decided this was the right thing to do when they introduced the iDevices and did not make them compatible with MacOS apps. Obviously that vision was right. The problem with Android and RIM and WebOS is that they have nothing new to add to this vision They are at best a cheap copy which unfortunately cannot seem to match Apple in price. We have to see if Windows 8 will be the big savior os MS - but I would not hold out for that - we saw their vision with Windows phones (the original not 7)

 

[zap2]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'd just go on to say tha category 2 goes beyond kids, seems to be one eyed owners in all age groups. It's similar to a concep in the game consoles world: fanboyism.

Brin on competition, bring on further innovation from Apple. And if apple lose this market ultimately, then it means there's competition that have a superior product to sell me. Win-win for me as it's not mandatory for all purchases to sport an apple badge.

You certainly don't understand the complexities of the tech industry....you really think which every product is more innovative wins out? Then why did WebOS not do amazingly well.

Innovation helps, but tons of other things come into play. Like ecosystems, price which is dependent of scale(so Apple can buy more flash to make it cheaper then say Palm could)

Competition is great, but innovation alone does not win the market.