It is aimed at an audience of silly people who spend their lives trying to duplicate the Apple experience without actually using anything from Apple.
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It is aimed at an audience of silly people who spend their lives trying to duplicate the Apple experience without actually using anything from Apple.
BergerFan
macrumors 68020
It's easy to wax lyrical when it's a free, review loaner unit, etc. I'm sure the Asus is indeed a very good device, but the true acid test, is what all these tech dudes actually spend their hard earned money on themselves. Suffice to say, that most of them have iPhones and iPads.
Blakjack
macrumors 68000
Do u know the definition of kill?
Asus couldn't kill anything because.........it's ASUS!!!
Piggie
macrumors G3
That is silly talk don't you think?
Asus sells millions and millions of computing products each year.
Irrespective of your view of them against Apple, Asus is a very successful global computing company.
This.
cmvsm
macrumors 6502a
For the techie's and nerdlings out there that build their own computers, like I used to do, sure, ASUS has a great reputation and makes great parts, especially motherboards.
However, the typical tablet consumer is miles away from this techie target market, and to them, ASUS is nothing more than some kind of secondary manufacturer when compared to Apple, with no more clout than Emerson has in the television world. This in itself will kill the ASUS tablet. Beyond that of course is the buggy Honeycomb software, and a very tiny infrastructure of apps. It really doesn't matter how good it is, it has no brand recognition and support is menial.
Unfortunately, as I like competition, the ASUS tablet will die a terrible death. Apple has done this tablet segment right and then some. From a production and infrastructure standpoint, they are simply just too far ahead. I'm sure that some tablets will come out to influence some of the iPad direction, but to beat it is almost an indomitable feat at this point, unless something new and original comes to light outside of the iPad mold.
Blakjack
macrumors 68000
But come on Piggie, they aren't about to KILL anything.
BergerFan
macrumors 68020
Agreed, although 'beating' it, means different things to different people.
For some it's the raw specs, others the whole ecosystem, and others again, it could mean the pure brand.
In brand name terms, forget about it, so the rivals kind of have to aim for higher specs.
I really like the design style and the ability to connect to keyboard for notetaking/words docs/ect.
However, I do not think that Android is matured enough for this little beauty. IF and IF Windows 8 OS coming, and installed on this little beauty, then perhaps I would consider buying this. I will have to wait out until this Fall to see, and perhaps Android will be more polished on this little beauty.
However, I do not think that Android is matured enough for this little beauty. IF and IF Windows 8 OS coming, and installed on this little beauty, then perhaps I would consider buying this. I will have to wait out until this Fall to see, and perhaps Android will be more polished on this little beauty.
Piggie
macrumors G3
Note: I did not say anything about Asus "Killing" anything.
I was referring to the tone about Asus being rubbish and could not kill anything.
Asus is an incredibly successful company.
I don't see why anything has to kill anything. There is room for many different products that will appeal to different people.
I have an iPad, but I really dislike Apple, or to put it more accurately, I dislike the modern day Apple.
I am also of the strong opinion that if you went back in time, and showed Steve Jobs when he was young the type of Company Apple is now, whilst he may admire it as a money making company he'd hate what it was as a company in the way it controls and locks down everything.
Almost everything Apple does now, turns me more and more away from wanting to have anything to do with them. And this has nothing to do with making money.
Yes, of course they are successful and people buy their products. but this does not make them "Right"
I can only honestly see them as a danger, long term to the consumer and the whole industry as they grow in size and try to push more and more their way of doing things.
This is very sad for me, as once I like them for standing up against the big boys, giving consumers a choice to break free from the over dominant companies, and yet they are becoming that which they once were fighting against in my eyes.
Crazy I know, but today I see the PC world as the free and open side of computing and the Apple world more and more as the "Big Brother" who needs to be broken free of.
I have an iPad as, at the time it was obviously the best, the 1st product out there, but as soon as I feel there are other products that give me a feeling of freedom that I so enjoy, I will happily make the move.
My purchases of apps won't be enough to make me move.
nate13
macrumors 6502
Until Asus (or any other computer manufacturer for that mater) invests as much time and money into design and usability as Apple, there will never be an iProduct killer. You have countless people on business sites outright saying that everyone is playing follow the leader in respects to Apple. Specs don't matter much. Features you can use, and that are easy for the average Joe to use (or there isnt a damned learning curve to... think myspace vs facebook) matter much more.
There will be a million other stupid "Killer" threads like this (trust me, I've been on this site since 2003, and registered since 04). I don't waste my energy but just to put a perspective on the fanboy/ extremest craze. You're dealing with a very smart company, with the 2nd highest market cap, who does in house production from OS to Hardware to Peripherals... and you think you can KILL one of their products? HA. You can give consumers an alternative option, maybe better in some regards- but leave the Killer title off. No-one, since the dawn of the iPod, has managed to put a product out that can trump Apple popularity.
Shoot, even if you stopped sales of Apple tomorrow, all the products that are still oh so usable and reliable and downright cool (iPod 2nd gen anyone?) will still be there. And probably always. /Thread
There will be a million other stupid "Killer" threads like this (trust me, I've been on this site since 2003, and registered since 04). I don't waste my energy but just to put a perspective on the fanboy/ extremest craze. You're dealing with a very smart company, with the 2nd highest market cap, who does in house production from OS to Hardware to Peripherals... and you think you can KILL one of their products? HA. You can give consumers an alternative option, maybe better in some regards- but leave the Killer title off. No-one, since the dawn of the iPod, has managed to put a product out that can trump Apple popularity.
Shoot, even if you stopped sales of Apple tomorrow, all the products that are still oh so usable and reliable and downright cool (iPod 2nd gen anyone?) will still be there. And probably always. /Thread
I have both that Asus Transformer and an iPad2. Spent my money on them.
Asus will sell several million of them, I have no doubt. It is also clear they have aimed right at the iPad, only in this case it looks like they aimed at iPad3. Honeycomb 3.1 will be showing up in the next few days for it, and even with Honecomb 3.0 on mine it does everything my iPad does, and better/more.
Apps is apps. I'm calling this a tie. No iFan will agree, of course. I don't expect you to, yet there has been no type or category of app I use on my iPad that I couldn't find a parallel for in the Android market.
Features, on the other hand, are OS/UI specific or hardware specific. The OS/UI features either has can/will eventually be copied by the other. Apple will add widgets to iPad OS, for example. This Asus already has it's own version of Home Sharing and AirPlay, except broader. For Hardware the Asus draws attention with features the iPad doesn't natively have. It also sells for $100 less than the iPad. The Transformer is as hard to get as an iPad is, and carried by most of the same retailer/suppliers the iPad is.
It's the math, mainly, that makes the Transformer the focus of so much press attention and consumer desire. That math is also why so many posts about it have shown up on iPad forums.
I bought both. I've worked and played with both. I prefer the Transformer. It is a better value for the money I spent.
Asus will sell several million of them, I have no doubt. It is also clear they have aimed right at the iPad, only in this case it looks like they aimed at iPad3. Honeycomb 3.1 will be showing up in the next few days for it, and even with Honecomb 3.0 on mine it does everything my iPad does, and better/more.
Apps is apps. I'm calling this a tie. No iFan will agree, of course. I don't expect you to, yet there has been no type or category of app I use on my iPad that I couldn't find a parallel for in the Android market.
Features, on the other hand, are OS/UI specific or hardware specific. The OS/UI features either has can/will eventually be copied by the other. Apple will add widgets to iPad OS, for example. This Asus already has it's own version of Home Sharing and AirPlay, except broader. For Hardware the Asus draws attention with features the iPad doesn't natively have. It also sells for $100 less than the iPad. The Transformer is as hard to get as an iPad is, and carried by most of the same retailer/suppliers the iPad is.
It's the math, mainly, that makes the Transformer the focus of so much press attention and consumer desire. That math is also why so many posts about it have shown up on iPad forums.
I bought both. I've worked and played with both. I prefer the Transformer. It is a better value for the money I spent.
Mac.World
macrumors 68000
If this is true, I have to wonder why so many reviewers complain about constant crashes, buggy features, lack of tablet specific apps and a general feeling that Android 3.0 is half finished? Yet, you say it is better than the iPad and has none of these problems. Does Flash play perfectly on the Transformer? Can you play a game like Farmville natively for instance?
As for demand of the Tansformer, I think you need to take into account they are only producing 10,000 per month. Once Asus is able to produce more than minimal numbers, if they ever do, then we'll see if the demand is there.
spiderman0616
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People say that they can find Android equivalents to iOS apps on their non iPads, but I have to ask---how many of them are optimized for tablets and run well without any glitches? Based on the experience I've had with honeycomb, it's a mess. I wanted a real tablet so I got an iPad 2.
Having just gone to your blog, I give your review more cred than any of 2 minute video reviews etc... above. It's clear you put these things through their paces. While I'm pretty sure I would come to a different conclusion (different strokes...), thanks for the feedback. Looking forward to a full review on the blog.
Now (to the broader audience) can we all just agree to disagree?
Piggie
macrumors G3
I think we all know this ia all a matter of time and maturity.
With Honeycomb 3.0 for tablets being VERY new, only launched what 2 months ago or 3 tops, and 3.1 being released.
Over the next few years, we will have many new versions and each one improving on the next. Hardware getting better all the time.
We will have quad core Android Tablets with Retina Displays, more apps and, as I say, Honeycomb getting better with each release, it's only going to get better and better for consumers.
Of course at the same time Apple will keep working on the iPad. But of course the 1 year lead Apple "Had" will be lost very quickly.
It's all good news for consumers and there will be a choice of excellent products to buy and enjoy.
With Honeycomb 3.0 for tablets being VERY new, only launched what 2 months ago or 3 tops, and 3.1 being released.
Over the next few years, we will have many new versions and each one improving on the next. Hardware getting better all the time.
We will have quad core Android Tablets with Retina Displays, more apps and, as I say, Honeycomb getting better with each release, it's only going to get better and better for consumers.
Of course at the same time Apple will keep working on the iPad. But of course the 1 year lead Apple "Had" will be lost very quickly.
It's all good news for consumers and there will be a choice of excellent products to buy and enjoy.
It is simple. Look at the reviewer. Any review that is from a self-confessed mac addict will find any flaw (real or imagined) to attribute to a threatening competitor. Look harder and you'll find a larger percentage of reviews that give the Trannsformer 5 stars, Editors' Choice awards, etc..
Read any iPad forum and the complaints (light leaks, yellowing, WiFi problems, etc..) owners register about their iPads should make you suspect of any glowing iPad review that found no flaws. The web is full of bias. You don't trust me. I suggest you trust no-one.
BergerFan
macrumors 68020
1 year lead in terms of what will be lost? Sales? Hardly, when 'iPad' is still the only name in that exists the general consumer's mind(where all the money is).
That one year lead will prove impossible to reign in. It's already a fight for best of the rest, in terms of mindshare, regardless of what specs the rivals show off next.
It's the iPod... all over again.
Piggie
macrumors G3
Well, lets see in 2020 how the market looks.
If the iPad is still the No.1 seller then I will be surprised.
I'd expect it to have a loyal following, but will it be outselling all the other tablets by then? I doubt it, as the market should of moved on by then.
Apple will always have it'd niche area, and loyal customers, but unless they "see the light" and release their strangle hold on the way they work and open up, others will come and offer customers more.
Who knows, we may even see Microsoft come along with something great by them. People may like the fact they have seamless Xbox360 gaming and Windows Office features in their tablets.
If only I had a crystal ball
I just hope more open system win out in the the end. I don't think anyone really want more closed systems for the future of computing.
Well, lets see in 2020 how the market looks.
If the iPad is still the No.1 seller then I will be surprised.
I'd expect it to have a loyal following, but will it be outselling all the other tablets by then? I doubt it, as the market should of moved on by then.
Apple will always have it'd niche area, and loyal customers, but unless they "see the light" and release their strangle hold on the way they work and open up, others will come and offer customers more.
Who knows, we may even see Microsoft come along with something great by them. People may like the fact they have seamless Xbox360 gaming and Windows Office features in their tablets.
If only I had a crystal ball
I just hope more open system win out in the the end. I don't think anyone really want more closed systems for the future of computing.
I do agree that more choice is pro-consumer. The only way Apple will up its game is if its challenged. I will definitely hand you that.
BergerFan
macrumors 68020
Remember, tablets aren't as essential as a phone and main computer are, where price is a major factor for consumers. They're firmly placed in the luxury(from a necessity standpoint) category, meaning that the iPad would still be leading, even if it cost more than rivals(like the iPod did), as people are more inclined to pay more for perceived luxury, as if to justify it.Well, lets see in 2020 how the market looks.
If the iPad is still the No.1 seller then I will be surprised.
I'd expect it to have a loyal following, but will it be outselling all the other tablets by then? I doubt it, as the market should of moved on by then.
Apple will always have it'd niche area, and loyal customers, but unless they "see the light" and release their strangle hold on the way they work and open up, others will come and offer customers more.
Who knows, we may even see Microsoft come along with something great by them. People may like the fact they have seamless Xbox360 gaming and Windows Office features in their tablets.
If only I had a crystal ball
I just hope more open system win out in the the end. I don't think anyone really want more closed systems for the future of computing.
The fact that the iPad's base price is as low as it is, simply eliminates even that route from competitors, unless they're prepared to make substantial losses.
Who knows what'll happen by 2020? Lol. But for the next 5 years at least, all rivals will be playing catchup.
Wether that's a good or bad thing, is another story, but I think that's the reality of the situation.
Hueyfreeman
macrumors regular
A little info on asus: currently asus controls 30% of consumer motherboards also selling their motherboards to various companies, hp, dell, and apple are their largest customers. According to squaretrade asus leads in reliability of the top 5 laptop manufacturers with apple included. This companies only down fall seems to be that they are comfortable where they are. They don't spend enough money to advertise and they end up getting passed up by most consumers except those like me who use what the compamy is famous for and that is motherboards.
Blakjack
macrumors 68000
Lead in what Piggie...Market share?!!! I think u would have to be ignorant to everything in life if you think that Apple will ever be able to compete long-term with Android in the market share category, but the problem is market share obviously means nothing. It shouldn't even come up in debates.