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Amazing that the line of thinking that "one device must fail in order for another to succeed" still exists in a world where Windows and OS X have existed for so long.

If anything is to be learned, look what happened to Nokia's Symbian and Palm WebOS in the smartphone market. The market wants useful apps and plenty of 'em.
 
Amazing that the line of thinking that "one device must fail in order for another to succeed" still exists in a world where Windows and OS X have existed for so long.

If anything is to be learned, look what happened to Nokia's Symbian and Palm WebOS in the smartphone market. The market wants useful apps and plenty of 'em.

Your logical way of thinking won't have much of an impact here. ;)
 
iPad 2 killer title is a huge overstatement. No one can kill iPad 2 yet.

And I still wouldn't buy one. Not enough App support
 
I'm currently running an Asus transformer, there is some keyboard lag and delay. But honestly this is an awesome device. To be able to use a mouse and scroll with the keyboard is so awesome. I wantmore funtionality with input devices. If an ipad could do the same I would return the transformer in a sec.

I dont think the transfomer has killed the ipad2, but it has killed the windows netbooks. Battery life and apps, just watch and see.. Google has something great it if they dont screw it up like all of us G1 owners.

I feel like Apple will never allow this with the ipad, since it will mess with the macbook market share. So I will hold my judgment till monday, and if not I will sell the ipad and stick with the transformer.
 
I'm currently running an Asus transformer, there is some keyboard lag and delay. But honestly this is an awesome device. To be able to use a mouse and scroll with the keyboard is so awesome. I wantmore funtionality with input devices. If an ipad could do the same I would return the transformer in a sec.

I dont think the transfomer has killed the ipad2, but it has killed the windows netbooks. Battery life and apps, just watch and see.. Google has something great it if they dont screw it up like all of us G1 owners.

I feel like Apple will never allow this with the ipad, since it will mess with the macbook market share. So I will hold my judgment till monday, and if not I will sell the ipad and stick with the transformer.

Apples wireless keyboard and mouse work fine with iPad. They are bluetooth devices.
 
Apples wireless keyboard and mouse work fine with iPad. They are bluetooth devices.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

The keyboard works. The mouse does not.

If you get your mouse to work with your (non-jailbroken) ipad, please tell me how, because I have never seen such a thing.
 
I don't think you know what you are talking about.

The keyboard works. The mouse does not.

If you get your mouse to work with your (non-jailbroken) ipad, please tell me how, because I have never seen such a thing.

exactly... And even when you jailbreak it, its still only works half the time...

I would be happy with a scroll feature on the apple keyboard with safari.. Whats funny too is the apple bluetooth keyboard does not work with the Asus transformer.

-Sent from my Transformer
 
Amazing that the line of thinking that "one device must fail in order for another to succeed" still exists in a world where Windows and OS X have existed for so long.

If anything is to be learned, look what happened to Nokia's Symbian and Palm WebOS in the smartphone market. The market wants useful apps and plenty of 'em.

I know, right? Like this new tablet is going to come out and suddenly my iPad won't turn on anymore... Oh noes, it's been killed!! :D

Seriously though, obviously the OP doesn't understand that the Apple buyer isn't just buying a product based on specs alone. It's the design aesthetic, the support, the app selection, the UI, etc. It's like saying a new Mercedes is the "BMW killer." Some people just prefer BMW (or insert your favorite car here).
 
It's like saying a new Mercedes is the "BMW killer." Some people just prefer BMW (or insert your favorite car here).

The problem with the automobile analogy is that the market for computing devices is very different.

A BMW can use the same roads as a Mercedes. It uses the same fuel, can be parked in the same spaces. If you know how to drive a BMW, you don't need much training to drive a Mercedes. They can be sold by the same people, and can be serviced by the same mechanics. And if 99% of the cars on the road were made by BMW, Mercedes owners wouldn't really notice much difference.

This ISN'T true with computing devices. Because they rely on software and, generally speaking, software written to run on one device WON'T run on a different system.

So far, Apple is handily winning the software battle in the tablet marketplace. Apple has persuaded developers to create tens of thousands of Apps designed to take advantage of the iPad's screen size, sensors, touchscreen, etc. Google HASN'T. And at this point, I'm not sure that Google, or RIM, or even Microsoft will be able to catch up.

The process of creating the App-ecosystem is sort of a "chicken and egg" scenario: Developers won't write Apps unless there are millions of potential customers. And its very hard to get millions of customers if there aren't many Apps for the device in question.

Apple created a somewhat unique situation for itself: It created the first "App Store" (for the iPhone and iPod Touch) that gained widespread acceptance by both customers and developers. Apple also developed enough trust with the developers, as well as confidence among them that Apple could sell millions of iPads, that developers were willing to invest money writing Apps before the first iPad went on sale.

Google and RIM and Microsoft are coming very late to that game. And until they figure out a way to seriously challenge Apple at the App-ecosystem game, then all this talk about tech specs and "iPad-killers" is just so much hot air.
 
heres a guy who if you already know is an Apple nut and even he sides with the Asus..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3N9MmKy87s



Ipad doesnt suck its just there are tablets like the Asus that are just as good if not better but i know im preaching to the choir here.

Samsung is the closest there is to a comparable Android tablet. The Transformer apparently has seen lackluster sales, and appears to be made out of cardboard. I'm joking, but Asus products seem to dissolve when you're using them.
 
But surely the question is whether this will be the Xoom killer, as we all were told the Xoom killed the iPad a few months back. I'm personally still hoping for a Zune killer after the Zune killed the iPod.
 
Quote: Piggie-"I just hope more open system win out in the the end. I don't think anyone really want more closed systems for the future of computing."

What is this "open system" that you speak of? Computing devices don't have to be "open". They have to be functional for the user. They are appliances.
Your argument that Apple is somehow becoming big brother is horse feces! It's their business and design model, nothing else. If people (users) like it because it's simple, well designed, useful and easy to maintain tyen Apple will be successful. They have been at the forefront of mobile computing with both the iPhone and iPad setting the bar initially. Everyone has been chasing Apple's design for mobile phones and tablets. Competitors try to emulate Apple. I don't see Apple trying emulate them.

I have no idea why you frequent this forum. You clearly despise Apple and their model yet this is a forum for Mac. Do you think you can lead a personal crusade to warn Mac fans about Apple's apparently flawed and evil business model?
 
Samsung is the closest there is to a comparable Android tablet. The Transformer apparently has seen lackluster sales, and appears to be made out of cardboard. I'm joking, but Asus products seem to dissolve when you're using them.

The Transformer is selling out. Technically, I guess sales aren't as good as they could be if demand is exceeding supply, but I don't think that equates to lackluster. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim about lackluster sales?

As for the quality of Asus products, I beg to differ. I have been using Asus for years, and I am very impressed with their build quality. I think you will find, for example, that their netbooks have rave reviews and seem to sell extremely well. Just because it isn't Apple, doesn't mean it is cardboard. Again, do you have any evidence to back up your claim about poor design by Asus?

I don't know what this nonsense is about an iPad killer is. As others have pointed out, just because Toyota started producing the Prius it didn't put every other car maker out of business. There is room for more than one manufacturer of tablets in the world.

I agree that Samsung has made an impressive product as well. Apple's market share will surely shrink to more reasonable levels. But, everyone else is hampered by the software. I am unimpressed by Google's operating system and app selection so far. If Google can tighten things up a bit, then I think we will see these tablets performing a lot better in the marketplace.
 
The Transformer is selling out. Technically, I guess sales aren't as good as they could be if demand is exceeding supply, but I don't think that equates to lackluster. Do you have any evidence to back up your claim about lackluster sales?

The Transformer selling out (of the whopping 10,000 that were produced) means very little.

What you should be more worried about if you are Asus is Acer. The Iconia has already sold more than the Transformer and will be the first Tablet running Honeycomb to reach the 1 million sales mark.
Asus has shot itself in the foot by not being able to produce more tablets.
 
Amazon does a decent job of listing products by "Best Selling". Today (6.4.2011) a search there for "tablet" has this order:

1. Xoom 32gb Wifi
2. iPad (1st gen) 64gb Wifi
3. iPad-2 64gb Wifi
4. Asus Transformer 16gb Wifi.
5. Samsung Galaxy Tab (7") Wifi.
6. Acer Iconia Tab 16gb Wifi.
7. iPad-2 16gb WiFi
8. Viewsonic 10" gTablet Wifi
9. Asus Transformer 32gb Wifi
10. iPad (1st gen) 16gb WiFi.

The Xoom has had the biggest advertising push of all the android tablet. We Knew iPads would be up there given Apple's iPad advertising. There's that Transformer though. Can't be doing too bad, and the 32gb model is also in the top 10.
 
The Transformer selling out (of the whopping 10,000 that were produced) means very little.

What you should be more worried about if you are Asus is Acer. The Iconia has already sold more than the Transformer and will be the first Tablet running Honeycomb to reach the 1 million sales mark.
Asus has shot itself in the foot by not being able to produce more tablets.

Where are your numbers coming from? I haven't seen them anywhere.

I believe they produced more than 100,000 last month, and expect to have several hundred thousand more produced this summer. According to estimates I have read, they are projected to sell more than 2 million units. I consider that to be pretty impressive.

Personally, I don't think they have much to worry about from Acer, but I guess only time will tell. Supply will be a problem for both companies. With so many Android units out there, I think it will be a while before a clear leader emerges.
 
Amazon does a decent job of listing products by "Best Selling". Today (6.4.2011) a search there for "tablet" has this order:

1. Xoom 32gb Wifi
2. iPad (1st gen) 64gb Wifi
3. iPad-2 64gb Wifi
4. Asus Transformer 16gb Wifi.
5. Samsung Galaxy Tab (7") Wifi.
6. Acer Iconia Tab 16gb Wifi.
7. iPad-2 16gb WiFi
8. Viewsonic 10" gTablet Wifi
9. Asus Transformer 32gb Wifi
10. iPad (1st gen) 16gb WiFi.

The Xoom has had the biggest advertising push of all the android tablet. We Knew iPads would be up there given Apple's iPad advertising. There's that Transformer though. Can't be doing too bad, and the 32gb model is also in the top 10.

I am not sure how useful Amazon's list is right now for this product. For books, netbooks, and other established products it seems to work better.

Xoom has been out longer, so it has more numbers, but I don't expect it will be around much longer. I hope they have a new model in the pipe and a better strategy to keep it updated.

Asus is being sold in lots of outlets, so sales are spread around, and with the supply shortages, it is difficult to tell exactly how we should evaluate it. There is a lot of pent up demand. As you noted, both models are in the top 10, so that says a lot. iPad numbers are kind of tricky on Amazon as well, because (as far as I know) it is easier and less expensive to buy elsewhere.
 
I have both the Acer Iconia and the Asus Transformer 10.1" Wifi tablets.

The Acer was easier to find. Target carries them next to the Xoom.
The Asus has been updated to 3.1. Acer is still on 3.0.
The Acer has a full sized USB port on the side.
The Keyboard Dock for the Asus are now available and selling fast. Brings a second battery plus 2 USB and 1 SD ports. This keyboard is well integrated with the tablet, and they close in clamshell fashion when together.

For the keyboard dock alone, I don't think Asus has to worry about Acer here.
 
I have both the Acer Iconia and the Asus Transformer 10.1" Wifi tablets.

The Acer was easier to find. Target carries them next to the Xoom.
The Asus has been updated to 3.1. Acer is still on 3.0.
The Acer has a full sized USB port on the side.
The Keyboard Dock for the Asus are now available and selling fast. Brings a second battery plus 2 USB and 1 SD ports. This keyboard is well integrated with the tablet, and they close in clamshell fashion when together.

For the keyboard dock alone, I don't think Asus has to worry about Acer here.

So, how do you think the devices compare to the iPad 1 or 2?

I was dismissive of the keyboard when I first heard about the Asus, but once I learned more, I realized it is actually a cool idea. I don't think I would get one myself, but I can see the value in it. I am not terribly keen on my iPad + Apple keyboard. If only Apple would make a foldable keyboard!
 
So, how do you think the devices compare to the iPad 1 or 2? ... If only Apple would make a foldable keyboard!
I also have an iPad 2, and find myself picking up either my Acer or Asus for strictly tablet use over the iPad now. Why? Bigger screen. UI is just as responsive. Found apps for every need on both iPad and android, so that's not an issue, except there is no file browsing on the iPad and I enjoy the file browsers on the Acer and Asus.

Then there is Google Music Beta which I've gotten accepted into. With the Google music app on both the android tablets, and their stereo speakers, I'm very much enjoying my music (and the 150+ free songs Google threw in) on those tablets. Movie playback is more enjoyable with the wide screens and less black banding.

Add in memory expansion for fun. The 16gb Wifi iPad2 was $499, although I saved 15% with some Target discounts. A 32gb one I got for my Wife was $599. The Acer was $449 (less with some Target discounts) and a 32gb microSD card was $48. So for under $500 I've got a 48gb Tablet. The Asus was $50 less than that. My point? You can have more fun for less money with either of these android tablet over an iPad2.

As for the folding keyboard, my Asus will show up Monday. It's the extra battery that intrigues me. Folding up to store together in the same case makes huge sense to me, which is why several accessory makers are selling keyboard>cases for the iPad2.
 
I also have an iPad 2, and find myself picking up either my Acer or Asus for strictly tablet use over the iPad now. Why? Bigger screen. UI is just as responsive. Found apps for every need on both iPad and android, so that's not an issue, except there is no file browsing on the iPad and I enjoy the file browsers on the Acer and Asus.

Then there is Google Music Beta which I've gotten accepted into. With the Google music app on both the android tablets, and their stereo speakers, I'm very much enjoying my music (and the 150+ free songs Google threw in) on those tablets. Movie playback is more enjoyable with the wide screens and less black banding.

Add in memory expansion for fun. The 16gb Wifi iPad2 was $499, although I saved 15% with some Target discounts. A 32gb one I got for my Wife was $599. The Acer was $449 (less with some Target discounts) and a 32gb microSD card was $48. So for under $500 I've got a 48gb Tablet. The Asus was $50 less than that. My point? You can have more fun for less money with either of these android tablet over an iPad2.

As for the folding keyboard, my Asus will show up Monday. It's the extra battery that intrigues me. Folding up to store together in the same case makes huge sense to me, which is why several accessory makers are selling keyboard>cases for the iPad2.

I'll have to check those options out since the Samsung is being released with no microSD and 3g. Some say that you are choosing between hardware specs and Apple's ecosystem, like hardware specs mean nothing at all. Personally I put weight behind both options, hardware specs mean a ton to me, having removable memory, a larger more movie friendly screen, better speakers, file system, usb, connection options, etc etc. The Apple ecosystem weighs in heavily, but honestly I haven't found many programs on Apple that I can't find on Android, at least the ones I use a lot. What Android is missing is the games that Apple has.
 
I also have an iPad 2, and find myself picking up either my Acer or Asus for strictly tablet use over the iPad now. Why? Bigger screen. UI is just as responsive. Found apps for every need on both iPad and android, so that's not an issue, except there is no file browsing on the iPad and I enjoy the file browsers on the Acer and Asus.

Then there is Google Music Beta which I've gotten accepted into. With the Google music app on both the android tablets, and their stereo speakers, I'm very much enjoying my music (and the 150+ free songs Google threw in) on those tablets. Movie playback is more enjoyable with the wide screens and less black banding.

Add in memory expansion for fun. The 16gb Wifi iPad2 was $499, although I saved 15% with some Target discounts. A 32gb one I got for my Wife was $599. The Acer was $449 (less with some Target discounts) and a 32gb microSD card was $48. So for under $500 I've got a 48gb Tablet. The Asus was $50 less than that. My point? You can have more fun for less money with either of these android tablet over an iPad2.

As for the folding keyboard, my Asus will show up Monday. It's the extra battery that intrigues me. Folding up to store together in the same case makes huge sense to me, which is why several accessory makers are selling keyboard>cases for the iPad2.

That is a lot of food for thought. Thanks!
 
These tablets aren't really iPad killers. There more like terrorists who try to attack the greatest but always get caught or in this case fail to impress the consumer. :D
 
What are the "bugs" in Android Honeycomb. I posted this question on page 3 but it has been ignored but yet people are still bringing up these "Bugs" If no one can post what these "bugs" are why are they still being talked about.

Im just trying to be as objective as possible. You can't continue to bash something and not be able to provide evidence.
 
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