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gloss said:
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Also, Toshiba released a 22 inch monitor with a resolution of 3840x2400 way back in 2007. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with the "it's not technologically feasible" talk.

And FWIW, bigger screens are way harder to produce - 200DPI LCDs have exister for a decade in 1" and 2" sizes.
 
who thinks they will charge more for this. its up for grabs because they cant really compete with some tablets and also they would be going back on their word from the ipad keynote on how anyone can get one because its only $500. they had other points for it being $500 but i dont remember them
 
"From a developer's perspective, the doubling of an existing resolution is much easier to support."

Only for developers who don't understand the meaning of "resolution independent".

You have no idea what you are talking about. We're not talking about a Calendar app here or something using standard iOS widgets. Changing aspect ratios and so on could throw a lot of wrenches in existing developers designs. Yes, it is possible to make resolution independent apps/games, but it requires a LOT of hard work and knowing what resolutions, and aspect ratios you're targeting. Designing a game with custom widgets requires a lot of pain the ass corner case work. Especially if you make it orientation independent like on the iPad. The variables are simply too many as it is.

If we're talking about a game with a custom UI, then it will be hell to redo it for anything but the dimension doubling approach. Design time/cost IS a factor here.
 
who thinks they will charge more for this. its up for grabs because they cant really compete with some tablets and also they would be going back on their word from the ipad keynote on how anyone can get one because its only $500. they had other points for it being $500 but i dont remember them

Same price levels!

The stars are aligned for Apple right now.

cheers to the longs
JohnG
 
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Have you ever used an iPad? One tends to hold it closer to arm's length rather than 10 inches from the face. If you're holding an iPad at 12 inches or less, methinks you need glasses.

I have both an iPhone an an iPad and I hold both the same distance from my face, which is almost arms length. I would get headaches holding an iPhone 10-12 inches from my face (even more so with the iPad).
 
I don't doubt Apple has an iPad screen with this resolution. I just don't believe it's ready for primetime, so I doubt we'll be seeing it on the iPad 2.
Pretty sure Apple has one, it's just a matter of when, and with these latest rumors, who knows. We'll all find out in April (assuming that's when it will launch).
 
How can some of you say 260+DPI is "overkill". Remember, ONE (of several) of the objectives of the iPad is to be a reader and compete with the Kindles and all those things. Of course they use a different screen technology, but reading text on them is "easy" and smooth... and it also is on the iPhone 4. It simply is NOT on the current iPad (which is why I don't have one..). I won't be using it to read, but I'm anal about screen quality and after the iPhone 4, am pretty damn picky. Even with my head 1.5 feet from my MacBook Pro, typing right now.. I can still see every little pixel.

When Steve announced the iPhone 4, he talked A LOT about the Retina display. It was obvious to me back then, that similar screens would start making their way into more Apple products. It went to the Touch and I think the iPad is next... I'd be shocked if it was not.

Some of you try to come up with all these different reasons why it's "not possible" but you're thinking about the past and not the future. I think it's much less of a stretch, at this point to be quadrupling the pixels in the iPad then it was to quadruple them in the iPhone back when that was done. It's technology, it moves quick and there's no reason why it shouldn't or won't be done. I just can't wait to get one.
I have to agree. Everybody said the same when it was rumoured that the iPhone 4 would get a 960 x 640 display - the same overkill argument.
 
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vincenz said:
No way........this is almost mind-blowing if true.

Perhaps Apple's next marketing phrase will be "mind-blowing".
 
Woah, woah, wait... Why would the iPad 2 take up more battery power for the screen?

Last time I checked, each time you double the pixel density, you need to cut the energy back by a half if you want the same brightness as before. The only energy increase needed would be the extra power the CPU/GPU would need to render the extra pixels. Not the actual display itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I may be WAY off, but last time I checked, it is only the SIZE of the display that affects energy consumption directly.
 
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Glideslope said:
No way........this is almost mind-blowing if true.

Consider it Blown. Multi Core A9 with Open-CL SGX543 Graphics.:apple:

I think mine is gone. My entire body will follow if this turns out to be true.
 
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Neotyguy40 said:
Woah, woah, wait... Why would the iPad 2 take up more battery power for the screen?

Last time I checked, each time you double the pixel density, you need to cut the energy back by a half if you want the same brightness as before. The only energy increase needed would be the extra power the CPU/GPU would need to render the extra pixels. Not the actual display itself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I may be WAY off, but last time I checked, it is only the SIZE of the display that affects energy consumption directly.

Erm, doesn't it take more energy to power higher-rez screens?

First you have four times more transistors and liquid crystals, which dissipate heat as electricity goes trough them.

Also, you have more "gaps" between pixels that do not transmit light as well. The backlight has to be higher in order for the same light quantity to go trough.
 
If this is true, holy moly. All other tablets will be DoA. My jaw was dropped and I'm already counting the piggy bank coins.
 
This not only affects other tablets, but also other laptops as well....
My MBA needs some serious updates here. My MBP and 21 inch iMac hello!????

How can 9.7 inch LCD Panel beat the crap out my 21 ich LCD PANEL!??? You hear me apple? Give me a better resolution. Call it super retina display.
 
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hcho3 said:
This not only affects other tablets, but also other laptops as well....
My MBA needs some serious updates here. My MBP and 21 inch iMac hello!????

How can 9.7 inch LCD Panel beat the crap out my 21 ich LCD PANEL!??? You hear me apple? Give me a better resolution. Call it super retina display.

Yes, please! WWDC = Mac OS X Lion/ new high-resolution Macs?
 
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hcho3 said:
This not only affects other tablets, but also other laptops as well....
My MBA needs some serious updates here. My MBP and 21 inch iMac hello!????

How can 9.7 inch LCD Panel beat the crap out my 21 ich LCD PANEL!??? You hear me apple? Give me a better resolution. Call it super retina display.

Good luck for reading using the current OS :wink:

Maybe after Lion, but definitely not before.
 
All the devs hate this. The devs haven't even finished making their apps Retina, how are they going to cope with another screen resolution? This means that there is the original iPod/iPhone, the iPhone 4, the iPad, and now the iPad 2.
 
So Apple how about Retina displays on the Macs and of course making OS X resolution independent?

Good point. Forget tablets for a moment, let's get some of those super-high-resolution displays on the laptops.

I remember buying a Dell laptop TEN YEARS AGO (Latitude D800) that had a full 1920x1200 resolution on its 15" screen. Still can't buy that on a MacBook Pro today...
 
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notjustjay said:
So Apple how about Retina displays on the Macs and of course making OS X resolution independent?

Good point. Forget tablets for a moment, let's get some of those super-high-resolution displays on the laptops.

I remember buying a Dell laptop TEN YEARS AGO (Latitude D800) that had a full 1920x1200 resolution on its 15" screen. Still can't buy that on a MacBook Pro today...

I'm speculating something to appear at this year's WWDC.
 
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Erm, doesn't it take more energy to power higher-rez screens?

First you have four times more transistors and liquid crystals, which dissipate heat as electricity goes trough them.

Also, you have more "gaps" between pixels that do not transmit light as well. The backlight has to be higher in order for the same light quantity to go trough.

Since when did Apple use LCDs in their devices? They're known as LEDs, which are much more power efficient, cooler (they actually don't generate any heat), responsive, and pretty. I'm also not sure what you mean by the "gaps" between pixels... It seems that adding more pixels to the same size of screen will reduce the amount of space between pixels, not increase it.
 
So Apple how about Retina displays on the Macs and of course making OS X resolution independent?

Ha Ha Ha...you act as Apple still gives a hoot about OS X. The Resolution Independence is so 2006...back when they cared more about such things. Now all the keynote are is iOS this iPhone that. Would hardly know they made a Desktop OS if not for that little apple in the upper left.
 
The thing is, if you would have told anyone the iPhone 4 was going to DOUBLE the resolution of the first three generations, it would sound unfeasible. But not only did they do that, but they also INCREASED battery life, made it THINNER, and added several other features. It's Apple, if Steve Jobs wanted to sell chunks of the moon, there would be a keynote announcing the iSky MoonStore.

Pixel doubling would be fantastic. Honestly, the A4 GPU COULD handle it with simply more memory. I had an old old laptop (I use it now attached to eSata drives as a file server) that was able to run a linux Distro at 2560x1440 on a Cinema Display, with a GPU that is MUCH slow than the A4. It's all about having the memory to do it. I suspect that GPU intensive software, like games, will use the same trick PC's have been using since forever, simply displaying some apps at a lower resolution! If the screen had the ability to change resolutions (like many monitors do!), or even if iOS had something built in, it could easily run iOS at that resolution, and games at 1024x768, on an A4. No telling what they could do with their own silicon.

As far as batteries, Apple is venturing into LiPo technology, and as someone who has used LiPos for a long time (R/C planes, some very big ones!), I can tell you that the technology is absolutely there. I mean, if the Macbook (white) can run for 10 hours on a power-hungry Intel CPU and a Power-Hungry ATi GPU, I think Apple could figure out a way to get 10 hours out of a battery-optimizes ARM processor/GPU architecture. I bet if I wired up a 6-cell R/C LiPo pack (would require some major voltage reduction, little over 24 Volts is a bit steep for the iPad), I bet I could keep the iPad going for 24 hours, with a battery roughly the size of the batteries that are already in it. I don't think Battery life will be a concern. The batteries are just so expensive, I would venture to say that Apple decided on a number (apparently 10) for the battery life, despite the fact that they could go much longer on similarly sized cells, but doing so would increased cost. Honestly, who needs more than 10 hours? There's an exception to every rule, but the general consumer can certainly get by with 10 hours, if not there is a solar powered device that keeps it running (doesn't charge it, but keeps it from discharging) all day long, not to mention tons of other accessories to extend the battery life.


Most of the current LEDs are simply LCDs with LED lights.

Yep, the term the other poster was looking for is "LED Backlit". LED screens like on LED TV's, now those are cool, but have you SEEN the cost? Not nearly enough performance gain to justify the cost on a mobile device, BUT, if they did, I bet they use less power, might be another solution to the issue of battery life on a beefy machine.

You know what though, just look at laptops. Both power usage AND battery life on laptops have both INCREASED over time (give or take, I mean a 2 year old MBP might use more power than a new MBP, but a new MBP uses a HECK of a lot more power than an Apple Portable, or a PowerBook G3, etc. yet it has tons more battery than those older devices). Point is, battery technology is growing as fast if not FASTER than the technology it powers. Battery life on EVERYTHING is going up, not down, yet the devices are getting smaller and lighter. That tells me that, in fact, battery technology is moving FASTER than the technology it powers.
 
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