iPad 2 Screen Likely to Have 2048x1536 resolution

[Full of Win]

If this is true, holy moly. All other tablets will be DoA. My jaw was dropped and I'm already counting the piggy bank coins.

This is part of the reason that I think proves they are doing it. Think of a consumer going into BestBuy to look at an Android and Apple tablet, they look at the price of the Android table and think wow, thats nice. But when they look at the buttery smooth 264 ppi display of the iPad 2, many will forget about price and get the iPad 2.

My heart skips a beat when I think how my pictures will look on such a screen.

 

[fpnc]

IMO (and that's the only thing that anyone's got at this time), we aren't going to see a 2048x1536 display in the next iPad nor will we likely see one in the next iPad after that. I suspect that the iPad 2 will stick with today's 1024x768 display simply because that's good enough in comparison to the competition (i.e. CES 2011 didn't show any mega-resolution tablets). Besides that, Apple needs millions, and millions, and millions of displays for the next iPad and I can't see them taking a supply risk by going to a new, more difficult to manufacture, and vastly more expensive part.

The images that were included in the iBook software could be meaningless. The engineer may have just been preparing for the possibility of a higher-resolution and needing to select some value s/he picked 2X because it was a convenient value (since scaling down from a higher resolution image is generally preferred over scaling up, so 2X would cover all possibilities).

From what I've seen this is the likely configuration on the next iPad:

Dual-core ARM9 with SGX543 graphics (no real surprise here, given recent rumors and the hardware shown at CES).
512MB DRAM (double the current value, and a match for the iPhone 4).
Exactly the same 1024x768 IPS LCD which is still a great performer (fabulous viewing angles, good color, and good enough resolution).
FaceTime camera (duh! or maybe even dual, front and rear).
Three-axis gyro (another duh!).
New 32GB, 64GB, and 128GB flash-storage options with the current generation 16GB iPad kept as a $399 low-end model (following the practice for the iPhone 4 and 3GS).

Given some cost reductions in other areas (technology marches on), these changes should keep the iPad more than competitive and allow Apple to maintain their current price points (for the new models, although the top-end 128GB model may increase by $50). Actually, the configuration shown above is pretty aggressive even without the rumored higher-resolution display, so don't expect too much from the next iPad.

 

[Gjeepguy]

simple answer(s)....

there are 2 size bookmarks depending on the size the developer of the book wants...

Kids books would use the larger one....

Adult books would use the smaller one...

This could also change depending on the text size that the reader is using. At some point iBooks would realize you needed a larger bookmark if you increased the text size large enough.

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

There is only one big, and I mean really BIG issue at stake here.

What with all the talk of new gpu chips, dual core CPUs more ram and now retina display.

We could be setting apple up for the biggest fail ever if none of this appears. It's almost looking like a young child expecting Santa to make their wish come true and then being devastated when thing don't appear.

That's my only worry with all this excitement. It's going to make it 100 times worse if none of this true.

Either you are new to this forum or have been living under a rock. When an event/expo/wwdc nears all rumours are in the wold. Some are true the other a dream. This is no different from the present rumour. I say this because even if it might be true, its not reality until and Steve Jobs announces it officially. Many people here get they hopes up and when something is officially released many return to complain about a release not living up to some standard or dream they had in mind getting hyped by all these rumours.

Back on topic, when the iPad v.1 was demoed last year, I remember Steve Jobs demonstrating games and apps written for the resolution scale of the iPhonen 3GS and iPod Touch 3 being not as terrible on the iPad bigger screen and higher resolution. Something tells me it might not be so different with this resolution. Sure it will not be ideal to have a game or app at the native resolution, however scaling should ease that process till a native resolution is supported by those games and apps.

People here are getting they panties in a knot over nothing. Plus no mention of iOS 5.0, how does this factor Retina Display renders.

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

simple answer(s)....

there are 2 size bookmarks depending on the size the developer of the book wants...

Kids books would use the larger one....

Adult books would use the smaller one...

This could also change depending on the text size that the reader is using. At some point iBooks would realize you needed a larger bookmark if you increased the text size large enough.

You must be sleep deprived or are consuming something illegal.

I am waiting on the iPad 3D version coming 2012.

 

[Full of Win]

IMO (and that's the only thing that anyone's got at this time), we aren't going to see a 2048x1536 display in the next iPad nor will we likely see one in the next iPad after that. I suspect that the iPad 2 will stick with today's 1024x768 display simply because that's good enough in comparison to the competition (i.e. CES 2011 didn't show any mega-resolution tablets). Besides that, Apple needs millions, and millions, and millions of displays for the next iPad and I can't see them taking a supply risk by going to a new, more difficult to manufacture, and vastly more expensive part.

Honeycomb is VERY compelling. I think Apple needs a feature that will make consumers want to spend hundreds more than an Android tablet. One of them is to use their clout with OEM's to make them manufacture the 2048 X 1536 display
.
This screen will be a major differentiator.

As to the display cost. Yes, it may cost more - but they bore the cost when they increased the iPhone display to unheard of levels. I doubt it will be "massively more expensive"

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

who thinks they will charge more for this. its up for grabs because they cant really compete with some tablets and also they would be going back on their word from the ipad keynote on how anyone can get one because its only $500. they had other points for it being $500 but i dont remember them

Actually I believe is going to pull an iPod Touch v.2 and v.3 regarding the iPad v.2.

They will lower the iPad v.1 by $50 USD and introduce the Retina Display iPad v.2 for $25-50 dollars more for a 16GB model.

In 2012 iPad will be released as iPad 3D and will leave the competition in the dust. think Nintendo 3DS.

 

[ArcAngel66]

simple answer(s)....

there are 2 size bookmarks depending on the size the developer of the book wants...

Kids books would use the larger one....

Adult books would use the smaller one...

This could also change depending on the text size that the reader is using. At some point iBooks would realize you needed a larger bookmark if you increased the text size large enough.

Would be logical except for the fact that Apple removed them pretty quick.

 

[lewis82]

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Erm, doesn't it take more energy to power higher-rez screens?

First you have four times more transistors and liquid crystals, which dissipate heat as electricity goes trough them.

Also, you have more "gaps" between pixels that do not transmit light as well. The backlight has to be higher in order for the same light quantity to go trough.

Since when did Apple use LCDs in their devices? They're known as LEDs, which are much more power efficient, cooler (they actually don't generate any heat), responsive, and pretty. I'm also not sure what you mean by the "gaps" between pixels... It seems that adding more pixels to the same size of screen will reduce the amount of space between pixels, not increase it.

As others pointed LED screens are just LED-backlit LCDs. The pixels themselves do NOT generate light, it's white LEDs behind the panel that do. And besides, LEDs do generate heat: not much, but they still do. also, the transistors in the screen panel itself dissipate electricity into heat.

Yes, the gaps between pixels are thinner, but there are also four times more of them. If you look closely you can see dark lines between pixels: that means it absorbs light. This was proven by the iP4's screen which isn't as bright as the 3GS.

 

[URFloorMatt]

Honeycomb is VERY compelling. I think Apple needs a feature that will make consumers want to spend hundreds more than an Android tablet. One of them is to use their clout with OEM's to make them manufacture the 2048 X 1536 display
.
This screen will be a major differentiator.

As to the display cost. Yes, it may cost more - but they bore the cost when they increased the iPhone display to unheard of levels. I doubt it will be "massively more expensive"

Agreed. Anyone who thinks that Honeycomb won't be a serious competitor in the tablet space either didn't pay attention to CES at all or needs to take off the Apple-colored glasses. Google is a serious competitor, and they're much more interested in beating Apple at everything Apple does than Microsoft ever was (mostly because, unlike Microsoft, Google is very interested in winning over consumers and not just enterprise).

If these rumors are true (and the way Engadget posted its reveals yesterday, they likely are), then Apple is presumably setting up the iPad much like it did the iPhone 4. Major hardware upgrade, and hopefully this will be followed by (in June/July) a major iOS revision. If the iPad is going to compete with Honeycomb tablets, having killer specs is only half the battle. Honeycomb seems much more versatile than iOS (but probably that's true of Android generally).

 

[kdarling]

Based on Apple's marketing efforts for the original "Retina" display, it would suggest a DPI (dots per inch) greater than 300 to exceed the abilities of the human eye.

The human eye can see a lot more dots per inch than that, close up.

To be "retina" at 300DPI means viewing at a distance of 12" or more. (This is normally called "print quality", btw.)

A more practical approach would simply be doubling the resolution of the current iPad (1024x768) to 2048x1536 at a 260 DPI. While not quite a "Retina" display, it would follow with Apple's efforts to avoid fragmenting their product line.

To be "retina" at 260DPI means viewing at a distance of 14" or more.

And... just for fun... to be "retina" at ONE DPI means viewing at a distance of 100 yards.

 

[ciaran00]

The fact that no Mac ships with a magic trackpad by default. The laptops ship with a trackpad, but not the Magic Trackpad.

You're still not getting it. The Magic Mouse is a multi touch device. Each of its gestures are set up to be "one finger less" than a trackpad. There is no functional difference in a MacBook trackpad and a Magic Trackpad except for size. All the gestures are identical. Even the System Preferences pane is the same pane.

 

[Full of Win]

The human eye can see a lot more dots per inch than that, close up.

To be "retina" at 300DPI means viewing at a distance of 12" or more. (This is normally called "print quality", btw.)



To be "retina" at 260DPI means viewing at a distance of 14" or more.

When did the term retina in this context move from marketing buzz word to technical term? Can't we say "when pixels are no longer differentiable"? This remind me of The Simpsons episode when the meat council came to Lisas school to show them a video of the virtues of eating meat, and afterwords, the kids starting parroting what the video said.

When do we serve the tripe?

 

[nunes013]

Actually I believe is going to pull an iPod Touch v.2 and v.3 regarding the iPad v.2.

They will lower the iPad v.1 by $50 USD and introduce the Retina Display iPad v.2 for $25-50 dollars more for a 16GB model.

In 2012 iPad will be released as iPad 3D and will leave the competition in the dust. think Nintendo 3DS.

thats actually a good idea, i nvr thought of them pulling an ipod touch. i had 400 saved up in giftcards ready and ready to pay 100. but if they were going to make it 600 for the base i wasnt ready to pull 200 out but i think if they raise it by a little i can do that for what we will be getting

 

[DickKnowsBest]

I'd love a 2048x1536 9.7" display. The only thing that out me off the first iPad was the low res display. Well, I was going to buy one, and then the iPhone 4 was released. For reading webpages and books, I'd have to say I was spoiled by the iPhone screen. I have good vision so I can read a wikipedia article on an iPhone 4 without having to hold it closer to my face or zooming in, and it doesn't strain my eyes even though it's so small. Like reading a newspaper. So the iPad resolution seemed crap compared.

At most, I would've expected 1600x1200 for the 2nd generation, and I was truly expecting no change until the 3rd or fourth gen. I figured from the start, a new kind of resolution would just bring problems for developers. That is ok, because things change and apps need to be rewritten and recoded every now and then, but this early in the game?
They could implement a resolution such as 1600x1200 or 1920x1440, but then developers would have to rewrite their apps otherwise it wouldn't look right having an app at 1024x768 stretched on a screen that isn't 4x the resolution.
And implementing a 16:10 or 16:9 aspect ratio brings even more problems this early on.

At least on a 2038x1536 screen, apps can still run their old native resolution at 1024x768, and all it does it make each pixel act as four pixels, so it looks clean and it would look natural. So a quadruple resolution display would be more appropriate since there would be little to no problems.

If there are problems, the only ones I can see would be the fact that it's a higher resolution than even a 17" MBP, therefore it would need a powerful GPU to run it, not to mention the display and GPU would drain battery life. And if they add sd card slots and usb ports, they aren't going to have much room for an A8 chip, GPU, a 2048x1536 display up to 128gb storage AND a half decent battery. Especially if they want to make it thinner and lighter too (according to other rumors)

It will be interesting to see what happens. Very interesting. I believe it can be done. Come on steve jobs, don't let us down!

 

[mauriziocorso77]

9to5mac is reporting that Best Buy is listing new iPad SKU's under "unreleased products"

http://www.9to5mac.com/47425/why-is-best-buy-listing-three-new-ipad-skus

 

[arn]

simple answer(s)....

there are 2 size bookmarks depending on the size the developer of the book wants...

Kids books would use the larger one....

Adult books would use the smaller one...

This could also change depending on the text size that the reader is using. At some point iBooks would realize you needed a larger bookmark if you increased the text size large enough.

"x2" is the naming convention for supporting Retina display images.

iphoneimage.png
iphoneimagex2.png
ipadimage.png

this one has...

ipadimagex2.png

(and happens to be twice the rez)

arn

 

[KnightWRX]

When did the term retina in this context move from marketing buzz word to technical term? Can't we say "when pixels are no longer differentiable"?

Uh, that's what kdarling said. "When pixels are no longer visible to the naked eye". It's also what Steve said when he explained it.

"Retina" display is very much a marketing term. It has a basis in science though, and someone did the math on it last summer after Apple came up with it :

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/

So the term "retina" in this context is not a technical term, it very much is, but again, it's not empty marketing.

 

[Worf]

Not trying to troll, but i think this is the defining statement of the article:
"to avoid fragmenting their product line"

The XOOM is a great upcoming android tablet but i hope some people are ready to accept seeing pixelized icons and app graphics much like iPhone 4 owners saw the first few months after launch. Also i hope ATRIX 4g users are prepared as well. Another great android device but it isn't really 4g and all those pixelized icons and gfx are going to look bad big time. It's probably going to stay that way too as not every developer is going to update it. I am happy to say most of my phones apps have retina display icons and gfx with the exception of 2. Good job devs!

 

[jealousguy86]

Do some research, the A5 chip has nothing to do with qualcomm and it is based off the ARM Cortex A9. Qualcomm is a completely different company.

 

[muu]

Doubt prices are going to be prohibitively higher. Mass production can definitely make things cheaper to build. What's expensive is the R&D and the manufacturing equipment.

Will certainly be interesting to see what happens from here, assuming this is all true. Pretty much everyone (except HP...? with their 1280x800 screen) stuck to 1024x600 screens, so they must have been pretty confident ipads were not upping their resolution anytime soon. Must feel great to be obsolete before coming out to the market. It takes much more effort and creativity to be relevant while using old technology.

Honeycomb is VERY compelling. I think Apple needs a feature that will make consumers want to spend hundreds more than an Android tablet. One of them is to use their clout with OEM's to make them manufacture the 2048 X 1536 display
.
This screen will be a major differentiator.

As to the display cost. Yes, it may cost more - but they bore the cost when they increased the iPhone display to unheard of levels. I doubt it will be "massively more expensive"

 

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Wow. Just wow. Can't wait until this thing launches. If the Verizon iPhone was possible, why can't this be?

The Verizon iPhone happened, we have reached the Singularity! Now anything can happen!!!

 

[fertilized-egg]

Agreed. Anyone who thinks that Honeycomb won't be a serious competitor in the tablet space either didn't pay attention to CES at all or needs to take off the Apple-colored glasses.

That I'm not so sure of, but it's not because Honeycomb doesn't look good.

To make the tablet a big player, you really need a lot of convincing for general consumers because it's much more of a niche/new market compared to smartphones. Consumers buy the iPad because it's marketed by the most trusted "computer for rest of us" company in Apple with a lot of apps available to go. If others tried to open up the tablet market, they probably wouldn't have made a dent. Most of tablets aren't sold by carriers right now, and I doubt that'll change anytime soon for the largest volume market despite the push. A tablet with data plan is just too much of a luxury item for most.

Once you take out those "common" people, you're left with early adopters and other various assorted tech savvy buyers, or geeks. You now have iPad, Motorola, LG, Playbook, NotionInk Adam, archos, etc, all vying for what is a rather small market and the tablet prices just aren't all that high, which means this cannot be a high-margin low volume market.

This is why I think the high resolution is a dagger to all the tablet competitors. If rumors are true, the iPad will have at least a very competitive processor but with a vastly better, even incomparable, display. As much as computer geeks hate Apple, it's also really really hard for them to stay away from such high glorious spec if you're a geek. It's a game changing spec. Without those tech savvy buyers, the Android tablets are looking at a very barren market with only those who are strictly looking for 7" tablets left.

Of course this is all conjecture and hypothesis on my part but I personally believe the real tablet market outside the iPad is rather small simply because many "common" people don't find non-Apple products that desirable and tablet is just too much of a luxury item for many. If Apple manage to take away geeks, there'll be very little left for Android tablets.

 

[toddybody]

Cant remember the name...

Wasnt there a mobile GPU technology demoed last year at CES(or some other tech expo) that showed a "sorta-mobile" brick (size of 4 cigarette packs stacked) processing the output of like +10, 1080p monitors simultaneously?

IMHO, people's gripes about panel cost, or battery life arent the biggest concern. The real question is: what tablet appropriate mobile GPU can facilitate that kind of processing? Reading text/surfing web/looking at photos on that res isnt too hard...iPad quality games(Infinity Blade 2[lol]...etc) @30fps? ehhh....lets hope folks.

 

[lilcosco08]

How the hell are they going to pull this off?
Sure, it's apple, but
Holy crap, that high a resolution on such a mobile device?