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I don't know many books that are ten inches across the diagonal and half an inch thin. Picking up something large, thin and flat from a flat surface is horrible. Tapered edges make sense.

Almost every childrens comic Annual has been dead flat and larger then the iPad in all directions.

Phone books, Yellow pages etc etc.

Many colour hardbook's are larger, heavier and flatter then the iPad

And yet, up until 7 months ago, we magically managed to pick them up and I can't say I ever heard anyone complain that picking up a book was difficult.
 
Almost every childrens comic Annual has been dead flat and larger then the iPad in all directions.

Phone books, Yellow pages etc etc.

Many colour hardbook's are larger, heavier and flatter then the iPad

And yet, up until 7 months ago, we magically managed to pick them up and I can't say I ever heard anyone complain that picking up a book was difficult.

Okay, I'll weigh in here. The issue isn't just one of size, it also has to do with composition. Picking up a book is vastly different than picking up a flat piece of metal (which is much closer in nature to the iPad than a book, if not in function). Having worked in and around machine shops much of my life, I can tell you a piece of metal the size of a book sitting flat on a table is very, VERY hard to pick up. But, if that same piece of metal has chamfers on its bottom edge, it miraculously becomes much easier, for a number of reasons. And those chamfers don't even have to be very big, certainly not the size of your fingers. If you really cared, I could explain from a physics standpoint why even a relatively small chamfer or taper would give you a much better ability to pick up such an object.

Now, books, on the other hand, are not solid objects. They are composite objects, made of, primarily, many sheets of paper. If you are trying to lift a large, heavy book, one handed, off a flat surface, odds are you are lifting, initially, only the top section of pages, not the entire book. The ability to grab only the top section effectively creates an object that is raised off the surface for you to pick up. Then, once you've got that section moving, the rest comes along with it.

So, simply put, analogizing the iPad with a large book isn't accurate and shouldn't be carried too far, especially for handling purposes. For that, the iPad is much more like a chunk of iPad shaped aluminum. And there is a big difference.
 
For you, perhaps, but not for everyone. There are plenty of people out there who really only use their computers for browsing the Internet, sending and receiving emails, and maybe writing a word processing document or two. For them, the iPad is all but a replacement already. With iOS 4.2, most of the impediments to it being a computer replacement were eliminated. There are still a couple left, but they could easily fade away in upcoming iOS updates. For that we'll have to wait and see.

Except you can't back up or update the iPad without a computer. It is very much a 2nd device in that it can't work properly without a computer with iTunes.

Until they make it so you can update the OS directly from the device and backup the device to some external source, you're dead in the water with your iPad replacing your computer.
 
Except you can't back up or update the iPad without a computer. It is very much a 2nd device in that it can't work properly without a computer with iTunes.

Until they make it so you can update the OS directly from the device and backup the device to some external source, you're dead in the water with your iPad replacing your computer.

Sure, but in some ways, those aren't real impediments to someone using an iPad as a computer replacement. Let's take a couple of examples:

Case #1: Suppose I'm a home user who has never owned a computer before, but now I think that the iPad looks like just the thing to allow me to do a little web surfing and get email, etc. I go into my local Mac store and explain the situation, so they sell me an iPad and do the initial set up, so I can run it without needing to have a computer at home. Of course, they also sell me an AirPort base station (and maybe do some setup on that for me to, as - and this is one of my big pet peeves about iOS - there is no app to allow you to admin an AirPort base station right now - I mean really, if you want to complain about the short comings of iOS and Apple, this is an obvious one, Apple's own wifi routers are, essentially, the only wifi routers that an iOS device can't administer, as almost every other wifi router uses a web browser based control panel), and an HP printer that is AirPrint enabled.

Now, sure, if I want to get the next iOS update when it comes out I might have to go back to the store and have them update it for me (and, yes, I might have to pay for them to do this) because, as you noted, the iPad can't update on it's own, but that doesn't mean that I'm dead in the water. And it's also true that I can't backup my iPad, but, then again, how many home users do you think go without ever backing up their computers? Even with simple utilities like Time Machine, I personally know a lot of people who never bother to get an external drive to act as a backup drive. So, the lack of backup ability is also far from being a killer.

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Case #2: Now suppose I'm an executive at a firm that makes widgets. I know a lot about business and marketing decisions, but I really don't use a computer for much more than email and browsing the web. Occasionally, I might need to write out a report or something, too. Now, I fall in love with the iPad and I go to my IT director and tell him that I want to use that instead of having a computer on my desktop. Given my work profile, he agrees and takes care of setting it up. For security purposes, once a week I hand my iPad to him and he backs it up and makes sure that everything is up to date.

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Now, of course both of these are specialized cases, but neither is terribly far fetched. And in both cases, the iPad is, for all intents and purposes, a computer replacement.

Will it be better when Apple allows the iPad to update itself? Of course. Will it be better when there is some $100 device that you can plug in to the dock connector and the entire iPad with back itself up to an external hard drive, or something? Absolutely. Does the lack if these things mean that the iPad is incapable of functioning as a computer replacement? Certainly not.

Right now I'll agree that the iPad is designed to be a secondary device, but, for some, under specialized circumstances, it is capable of acting as a standalone device. And, I fully expect to see the iPad continue to evolve in the direction of being more and more capable of functioning as a standalone device.
 
So iPad is a huge iPhone, and iPad 2 will become a huge iPod touch, huh.

I see.

Basically. I mean, iOS is nice and all, but it's last thing I'd want on an tablet now that I've had the experience of working with it. Both with a MacBook, and without one - not by choice.
 
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Im sure that Apple will come out with a form and function product that is up there with the best of them, one would assume that field trials will determine the best shape to enable the device to be removed from a flat surface.
 
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Now, sure, if I want to get the next iOS update when it comes out I might have to go back to the store and have them update it for me (and, yes, I might have to pay for them to do this) because, as you noted, the iPad can't update on it's own, but that doesn't mean that I'm dead in the water. And it's also true that I can't backup my iPad, but, then again, how many home users do you think go without ever backing up their computers? Even with simple utilities like Time Machine, I personally know a lot of people who never bother to get an external drive to act as a backup drive. So, the lack of backup ability is also far from being a killer.

Now, sure, if...

For home users, iPad is 2nd dog. You just said it yourself and you said so earlier, iOS updates brings more and more features, and you need them to make the iPad functional. If you can't update it, or if you have to pay to do so (does Apple even offer this service at the Genius bar ?) then it's not quite a functional replacement now is it ?

Just be truthful here, the iPad is not meant as a replacement for a computer from Apple as is, and is pretty limited in that function. BTW, execs at my office aren't very computer savvy, but they all need more than an iPad for things like VPN/Security software/authentication. The iPad's browser doesn't support many of the authentication schemes we use on a daily basis, nor would any of our web app works on it. A lot of the stuff execs need to use (macro heavy excel sheets for expense reports, time sheet approval, etc..) don't work on numbers on an iPad.

Most business are like that btw, unless you're talking some very small company. In which case, there's probably no dedicated on-site IT guy, but the whole thing is outsourced. Good luck getting your iPad to your IT guy each week at reasonable costs.
 
Now, sure, if...

For home users, iPad is 2nd dog. You just said it yourself and you said so earlier, iOS updates brings more and more features, and you need them to make the iPad functional. If you can't update it, or if you have to pay to do so (does Apple even offer this service at the Genius bar ?) then it's not quite a functional replacement now is it ?

Yes and no. I know someone who is a limited computer user who never uses software update on her Mac because she doesn't know if she should. She has a tech person come to her house on a regular basis (probably once a month, unless she has specific problems) and this person takes care of things like running the updates. So, for someone like her, your argument would be that because she can't/won't update her computer with OS X updates, her computer isn't quite functional? That's baloney.

If a computer, whether it is a Windows box, a MacBook Pro or an iPad, does what it needs to do, then it is functional. No updates needed. Sure, updates are desirable, but they aren't needed.

Since iOS 4.2 added printing capability, which was the one gaping hole in the iPad's functionality, it has moved into a space where a particular narrow band of people could use it as a computer replacement. Is the replacement perfect? Of course not. Is it right for most people? Absolutely not. Will it likely get better as time goes on? More than likely.

That is my point. Nothing more, nothing less.

(P.S. I don't know what an Apple store would say about updating an iPad for you, if they would charge for it, etc., but I do know that my local Apple Authorized Retailer would almost certainly do this, and they may or may not charge for the service. The equivalent of the Genius Bar that they have there is exceptionally friendly to their customers and they work hard to fix issues at their counter without needing to check a unit in for official - i.e. paid for - service.)

Just be truthful here, the iPad is not meant as a replacement for a computer from Apple as is, and is pretty limited in that function. BTW, execs at my office aren't very computer savvy, but they all need more than an iPad for things like VPN/Security software/authentication. The iPad's browser doesn't support many of the authentication schemes we use on a daily basis, nor would any of our web app works on it. A lot of the stuff execs need to use (macro heavy excel sheets for expense reports, time sheet approval, etc..) don't work on numbers on an iPad.

Most business are like that btw, unless you're talking some very small company. In which case, there's probably no dedicated on-site IT guy, but the whole thing is outsourced. Good luck getting your iPad to your IT guy each week at reasonable costs.

Now, I'm not talking about most execs or most companies. I've known a lot of execs, and I know a lot of them are heavy computer users. Hey, I knew an exec that liked to check what the engineers were doing on a regular basis. He pulled up their designs in SolidWorks frequently. You want to talk about something that the iPad can't do, now there's something the iPad can't do. However, I have also known execs who barely seem to know where the on switch is for their computer. These are the guys that refused to get a computer until they couldn't avoid it any longer. And then they really only used their computers for email, some web browsing and writing an occasional letter. And, no these were not very small companies, and, yes, they had dedicated IT staff.

Again, since iOS 4.2 the iPad has moved into a space where a particular narrow band of people, including some execs, could use it as a computer replacement. Is the replacement perfect? Of course not. Is it right for most people or most execs? Absolutely not. Will it likely get better as time goes on? More than likely.

Once again, that is my point. Nothing more, nothing less.

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One last comment. Really, I'm not disagreeing with you, when it comes to the vast majority of people. For them, yes, the iPad is, as you put it, second dog. I recognize that, and you're right about that. No argument. However, under iOS 3.2, it really couldn't be a computer replacement for anyone. With the advent of iOS 4.2, it now exists in a state where it could, in principle, function as a computer replacement for a select few. Maybe by the time iOS 5 or iOS 6 come out, more of the final issues will be addressed such that it will be able to function as a computer replacement for just about anyone who doesn't need the power of a full computer. For that, I guess we'll have to wait and see what those updates bring us.
 
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I prefer wired peripherals when working at a fixed desk and this fool carries around a laptop with an integrated keyboard rather than dragging around an iPad, a dock and a keyboard with an extra set of batteries. ;)

Foolishness aside, your preference does not fall in line with Apple's product line and your preference counts for nothing.

I carry a bluetooth keyboard (full size keys), $2 folding plexi plate stand to prop up the ipad and an ipad. Fits in a netbook bag and fills my needs. Wireless keyboards go for MONTHS with fresh batteries now. A regular cycle of rechargables means you should never worry about being without power. But now we're talking about my preferences (and you're derailing to an ipad vs laptop debate) and preferences mean NOTHING to Apple.

All of Apple's product line is building to wireless. Currently I'm happy to be in line with Apple's preferences to drive a product line built on a wire free portable device ecosystem.
 
I can't stop coming to the iPad 2 rumors posts. I'm waiting for what will be my first iPad. My money is ready.
 
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