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I think we all know a retina display is great but there's so many downsides so far I'm reading like

Heavier and thicker and longer charge time. I'm starting to think I'd have preferred them to hold off retina until next year until that size could come down further.

Ipad 3 with Siri, 8MP camera, voice dictation, HD front facing camera may have been better to be honest.

If the above happened we would have a slimmer Ipad like the second generation one. I suspect it will be mixed debate whether retina is better or other features but most say the Ipad 2 had a good screen anyway.

So maybe going Retina came one year early?

You deserve one of these:

http://yourfaceisstupid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/obvious-troll-is-obvious_48606.jpg
 
I would have forgone any of the other stuff as long as I got the Retina GPU and the Ram.
The rest is not special to me and just a big bonus.
 
You obviously didn't get a new iPad and are just parroting all the overblown complaints that you read about. Thicker and heavier? Hardly. HD front facing camera? Why, so Facetime will be jittery and lagging? 8mp camera? Why, so you can take great pictures with your iPad while you're out and about? And Siri? Seriously? You really need Siri? Give me a break.

FaceTime HD would be great. The rear camera doesn't appear laggy and jerky. The front facing cam is garbage. The Apple commercials show it as being crystal clear but I reality it looks like total ****. And if it's on a bad connection the software could easily adjust quality to account for that.

And Siri....yeah, I rarely use it and it does kinda suck, at least when it works.
 
The only legitimate complaint I can see is that the FaceTime camera is low quality. However, it's not a deal breaker for me since no one I know uses FaceTime. It's a pretty crappy camera though, but it's on par with what's in the MacBook Airs.
 
Some people just like to complain about nothing at all. Millions of people are thrilled with the new iPad. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But all the whine and moan posts get old after a while.
 
I think we all know a retina display is great but there's so many downsides so far I'm reading like

Heavier and thicker and longer charge time. I'm starting to think I'd have preferred them to hold off retina until next year until that size could come down further.

Ipad 3 with Siri, 8MP camera, voice dictation, HD front facing camera may have been better to be honest.

If the above happened we would have a slimmer Ipad like the second generation one. I suspect it will be mixed debate whether retina is better or other features but most say the Ipad 2 had a good screen anyway.

So maybe going Retina came one year early?

True, it's a monumental bust, they only sold like 3 million in the first weekend alone and which is more what all Android tablets sold in the whole last year. It also took them almost a month for the iPad 2 to sell 3 million... Yeah, they definitly should have waited until next year.
 
So an HD facetime camera and Siri are better than a retina display and LTE?? People are just being ridiculous now. The retina display is the single largest upgrade Apple could have offered.
 
The only downside I can think of about the long charging time is that it may no longer be feasible to charge your ipad in the office while you are at work. :D Now, you actually have to use your own electricity to fill it with juice.

Else, as mentioned, I just plug it in before going to bed, and when I wake up 6 hours later, it is back to 100%. Still sees me through 2-3 days of moderate usage on average.

Can't charge it during the day? Then don't wait till the batt level drops to below 10% and you are about to go on a long journey without access to an electrical outlet. You see it is down to ~30-40%, charge it already. :)

On the flipside, I find I don't really care about the camera anyways. The way I hold it, my finger is somehow always in the way of the back-facing camera! And it is easier for me to just whip out my iphone and sync later via icloud.

For me at least, the upgrades this time round quite resonated with my wants, and the areas they decided to neglect...well, I never really cared for them in the first place. :p
 
So an HD facetime camera and Siri are better than a retina display and LTE?? People are just being ridiculous now. The retina display is the single largest upgrade Apple could have offered.

Absolutely. In comparing my new iPad to my wife's iPad 2, the screen is incredible.

To be honest,who really cares about the camera in the iPad? Facetime HD upgrade...ok. 5MP upgrade...meh! Camera upgrades aren't groundbreaking on for iPad. The typical consumer is not toting around his iPad to take pictures. Get used to it techies, most upgrades going forward with the iPad are going to be minimal at best after the retina.

The biggest upgrades will come in making it truly usable for business applications.
 
You should really go read Anandtech's in depth review of the iPad.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5688/apple-ipad-2012-review

Apple did a ton of work on the GPU side. And they have to work within the constraints of what the foundry can do. Read the review and you will see just how impressive it is that Apple was able to ship a $499 device with a retina display without any major sacrifice in performance.

Apple is already fighting with Verizon and AT&T over FaceTime on 3G/4G/LTE. Adding a higher resolution front camera is only going to make that a harder sell to the carriers.

The iPad is barely 2 years into it's life now. The iteration each year has brought major improvements to the product without an increase in price. This is the Apple way that Steve Jobs created.

If you keep waiting every year for the perfect iPad you are never going to get an iPad. Apple will always improve year over year so there will always be a better iPad on the horizon.
 
You obviously didn't get a new iPad and are just parroting all the overblown complaints that you read about. Thicker and heavier? Hardly. HD front facing camera? Why, so Facetime will be jittery and lagging? 8mp camera? Why, so you can take great pictures with your iPad while you're out and about? And Siri? Seriously? You really need Siri? Give me a break.

hit the nail on the head there!

Siri was a novelty for me that quickly wore thin- have you tried Siri in a busy inner city?

HD front facing camera again is a waste, i think i have only ever used my iPad to take a picture a handful of times!
 
Out of curiosity for all you iPad 2 owners, when did you guys charge your iPad. I believe the charge time was ~4 hours, so when did you charge it?

I kind of see this happening both way [complaining]. if apple did not put in the retina, and put everything the OP wanted, hell Apple even through in a SD card slot, a few USB 3.0, a thunderbolt port, HDMI, and a free keyboard and smart cover, people would be asking for a retina display.

I don't know about you, but I probably wouldn't take my Siri-ized iPad everywhere I go. Maybe some people will use it for work or something [yes there are jobs that probably may be useful to Siri], but Apple is a company, they want to maximize their profits. So basically it drives people to purchase the iPhone if they want Siri. And in my honest opinion, I really don't think Siri is all that great [GASP!!]. It's extra-ordinary, yes; but i don't know, it just doesn't seem amazing enough for me to rush out and buy an iPhone. I am happy with my dumb phone.

I think it's fantastic that Apple managed to put in a retina, as well as keep the battery life the same. Sure it's a couple of grams heavier [not like it's a pound or something] and sure it's about a hair thicker, and sure you get a portable heater with your iPad purchase, but I swear people expect too much from Apple.

Just be happy with what you got or did not get, and move on. Life is too short, so go eat some pie!!
 
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If you say the third gen is disappointing you either...

A: Didn't buy one
B: Got a defective model
C: Are an apple hater and wouldn't be pleased even if they added exactly what you are asking for
 
The iPad 3, while great, was missing 3 things that would have made it a truly epic update:

1) A6 quad-core CPU
2) PowerVR 6-Series GPU
3) Facetime HD front camera

Don't get me wrong, the 3rd gen is a tremendous update on its own with the Retina display, rear camera, quad-core GPU and LTE, but many of us were expecting the 3 things above. I think the iPad 4 will address all that, and it will be time to upgrade once again in 2013.
 
The iPad 3, while great, was missing 3 things that would have made it a truly epic update:

1) A6 quad-core CPU
2) PowerVR 6-Series GPU
3) Facetime HD front camera

Don't get me wrong, the 3rd gen is a tremendous update on its own with the Retina display, rear camera, quad-core GPU and LTE, but many of us were expecting the 3 things above. I think the iPad 4 will address all that, and it will be time to upgrade once again in 2013.

Firstly, a dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 is actually faster than a quad-core ARM Cortex-A9, so why waste time on it? The two extra cores will just sit there doing nothing as all the animations are actually powered by the GPU.

The PowerVR Series 6 Rogue GPU is still too early, think 2013.

The last item, yes, they should definitely have had a much better front-facing camera. Heck, they could have entirely removed the back-positioned camera, if we have had gotten the 5MP camera instead for FaceTime.
 
The iPad 3, while great, was missing 3 things that would have made it a truly epic update:

1) A6 quad-core CPU
2) PowerVR 6-Series GPU
3) Facetime HD front camera

Don't get me wrong, the 3rd gen is a tremendous update on its own with the Retina display, rear camera, quad-core GPU and LTE, but many of us were expecting the 3 things above. I think the iPad 4 will address all that, and it will be time to upgrade once again in 2013.
And will we hear complaints when the quad-core CPU in the iPad 4 creates more case warmth? Or shortens battery life? Or if the iPad gains another ounce of battery weight to compensate?

If a quad-core CPU with higher performance and better battery life doesn't yet exist, how should Apple add it to the iPad 3? Will there be one for the iPad 4? Maybe, probably. But it's not like Apple's going to wait another year so all the upgrades can be done at once.

Products evolve. While the iPad was revolutionary, each iteration cannot be expected to be just as revolutionary. It must evolve. Just like each new PC from Dell or HP is mostly the same but with a little faster this and a little faster that...

Besides, the display in the new iPad is a huge, huge upgrade. You must realize that you've got a mobile, battery powered device running the same screen resolution as a 27" iMac running off AC power. Yet with no loss of performance from the previous model. That in an of itself is a pretty impressive upgrade.

If it's not enough of an upgrade for you, don't buy it. No one says you must buy a new one each year. In fact, I've suggested to many people that if they're happy with their iPad 2, don't bother unless they really want the new screen or the LTE capability.

I'm not being an Apple-apologist or fanboi, but clearly the iPad 3's specs taken as a whole are better than anything else on the market.

No HD front-facing camera? If that's a deal-breaker for you, then I guess there's not much to be said.
 
I'm already feeling my pre-disappointment starting to build around the iPad 4. I wonder if the iPad 5 will be what the iPad 4 should be.
 
I don't know why people are so worked up about that silly from camera.
It does just fine for what it was designed to do.
The whole camera thing wasn't even a consideration for me when I decided to upgrade to the 3rd generation iPad.

Now that Retina display and the 1 gig of ram where on top of my list.
Everything else just fluff and bonus for me.
 
The OP's complaint about a little thicker and heavier? It has almost double the battery in it than the iPad2 . . . Seriously? It's going to take longer to charge. You can only fit so much into that case :)
 
Just don't understand people acting like the "battery charge time" is a big deal. I'm a relatively heavy user of my iPad, and I charge about every other day... and just leave it on charge when I go to bed. Why is that such a problem?

You do sleep, right? :D

Oh and for the record, the battery in my 4S lasts longer than in my 4

amen man, i agree i use the crap out of my new ipad and never have run dry. My 4s isnt as good as yours :( its way worse then my ip4
 
I think we all know a retina display is great but there's so many downsides so far I'm reading like

Heavier and thicker and longer charge time. I'm starting to think I'd have preferred them to hold off retina until next year until that size could come down further.

Ipad 3 with Siri, 8MP camera, voice dictation, HD front facing camera may have been better to be honest.

If the above happened we would have a slimmer Ipad like the second generation one. I suspect it will be mixed debate whether retina is better or other features but most say the Ipad 2 had a good screen anyway.

So maybe going Retina came one year early?

1st World Problems
 
I think the New iPad is the best apple could do for now being that some of the current tech just isn't there, quad core is not that big of a deal to me still i would have been tickled to see a arm A15 core, but they are not out yet, also if it had full siri that would make it a must have purchase, however since they kept the price the same and kept the ipad2 around and its cheaper its really a win win for everyone, and ipad2 users should be happy it has a similar processor as it should mean a longer life for iPad 2 os upgrades. with apple products ive always skipped every 2 generations went from the original iphone to the 3gs, want to get a 4s but have to wait till jan, and i will upgrade to the next ipad when it comes out.
 
I think we all know a retina display is great but there's so many downsides so far I'm reading like

Heavier and thicker and longer charge time. I'm starting to think I'd have preferred them to hold off retina until next year until that size could come down further.

Ipad 3 with Siri, 8MP camera, voice dictation, HD front facing camera may have been better to be honest.

If the above happened we would have a slimmer iPad like the second generation one. I suspect it will be mixed debate whether retina is better or other features but most say the iPad 2 had a good screen anyway.

So maybe going Retina came one year early?

There's no rational reason to make Siri a feature in the new iPad when a) it's in beta and b) it can't even handle the iPhone 4S traffic, let alone the additional traffic generated by the new iPad.

As far as the size/weight increase is concerned, it's a negligible difference at best. For most users, Apple's ability to maintain the same battery life as the iPad 2 is more than worth the .6mm additional thickness and the .11 increase in weight. Yes the larger battery requires a longer charge time, but Apple has basically put a notebook class battery in a tablet, which is an amazing feat in its own right. There's no need for an 8MP camera on the new iPad either, especially since video recording (which will be used more than still photos on these devices) would be unchanged at 1080p resolution. Also, the front camera doesn't need to be HD, as it was never intended to be used for anything other than Face Time/Videoconferencing.
 
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