What is or isn't a good deal to one person or another does not matter. If you are in the market and can save on the special deals (and yes for now they are special deals even if they will return). I sold a 2 year old mini and was able to get a great refurb deal on Amazon, which saved me around $185 off the cost of the Air 2. If I can get a couple of years out of the Air 2 I'll be very happy. All this nonsense about oh I'd wait and that's not really a deal because when the 3 comes out that will be the standard price. GEEZ! You could be talking almost a year that one could be enjoying the device.