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Makes sense to me, considering the iPhone lineup this year

iPhone SE (cheap model)
iPhone 12 5.4 (small/midrange)
iPhone 12 6.1 (midsize/midrange)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.1 (midsize/high-end)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.7 (largest/high-end)

iPad 10.2" (cheap model)
iPad Mini 8.5" (small/midrange)
iPad Air 11" (midsize/midrange)
iPad Pro 11" (midsize/high-end)
iPad Pro 12.9" (largest/high-end)

If they can make two 6.1" iPhones, why can't they make two 11" iPads?

The Air will probably lack promotion, have 1 camera, an A14 and start at 64GB for $499, whereas the Pro will have Promotion and MiniLED, the Lidar camera system, an A14X chip and start at 128GB for $799.
 
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Makes sense to me, considering the iPhone lineup this year

iPhone SE (cheap model)
iPhone 12 5.4 (small/midrange)
iPhone 12 6.1 (midsize/midrange)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.1 (midsize/high-end)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.7 (largest/high-end)

iPad 10.2" (cheap model)
iPad Mini 8.5" (small/midrange)
iPad Air 11" (midsize/midrange)
iPad Pro 11" (midsize/high-end)
iPad Pro 12.9" (largest/high-end)

If they can make two 6.1" iPhones, why can't they make two 11" iPads?
Indeed, that is a very deliberate product portfolio. It's a spiritual successor to Steve Jobs' quadrant of mobile/desktop and consumer/pro. Even within other product ranges there are similar patterns. The iMac has one cheap model (21.5" non-retina with mobile processor) and then two higher-end models coming in two sizes. To some degree within each (ie, 21.5" retina and 27" retina) there are mid and higher-end models based on processor, RAM and GPU. Same with laptops, the Air as cheap model and then two sizes of higher-end ones, where at least the 13" MBP comes in 'midrange' (2 TB ports model) and high-end (4 TB ports). The 16" MBP then also comes with 6 or 8-core CPUs, though as with iMacs customers can customize various aspects (core count, GPU, RAM).
 
Makes sense to me, considering the iPhone lineup this year

iPhone SE (cheap model)
iPhone 12 5.4 (small/midrange)
iPhone 12 6.1 (midsize/midrange)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.1 (midsize/high-end)
iPhone 12 Pro 6.7 (largest/high-end)

iPad 10.2" (cheap model)
iPad Mini 8.5" (small/midrange)
iPad Air 11" (midsize/midrange)
iPad Pro 11" (midsize/high-end)
iPad Pro 12.9" (largest/high-end)

If they can make two 6.1" iPhones, why can't they make two 11" iPads?

The Air will probably lack promotion, have 1 camera, an A14 and start at 64GB for $499, whereas the Pro will have Promotion and MiniLED, the Lidar camera system, an A14X chip and start at 128GB for $799.
good. you may add in macbook and imac for completeness.
 
But it makes getting your panties into a bunch over it rather pointless.
If you think expressing negative opinions online is “getting your panties in a bunch”, and you disapprove of that, tintermaweb forums probobaly aren’t gonna be your cup of tea.
 
If you think expressing negative opinions online is “getting your panties in a bunch”, and you disapprove of that, tintermaweb forums probobaly aren’t gonna be your cup of tea.
I guess I don't like absolute opinions on things like naming ('does not make any sense'). The 'Air' name has most recently been mainly associated with the Macbook Air and thus with affordable and mainstream. In that regard, it makes some sense to use for a more affordable product line.
 
(7) mac os doesn’t support touch; (8) there is no customer demand for such a thing; (9) nothing, in The entire history of apple, suggests to anyone who has been paying even a modicum of attention to their business methods that they would do such a thing
There’s a market for bringing FCPX to the iPad. Once it runs on ARM, why not?. They’re redesigning MacOS’s interface to be more finger friendly, which could just be design but also serve another purpose.
 
This report doesn't make any sense at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the iPad Air gets updated and released next month since they already refreshed the iPad Pro in March. A new iPad Pro with A14 Silicon will probably be the one to launch in March of 2021.

This makes a lot more sense.

I'm curious if the Air and non-pro iPads will be receiving the squared-edged look.
 
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There’s a market for bringing FCPX to the iPad. Once it runs on ARM, why not?. They’re redesigning MacOS’s interface to be more finger friendly, which could just be design but also serve another purpose.
This is a nonsequitor. FCPX on ipad doesn’t require Mac OS on ipad. And the market for “fcpx on ipad” may just as easily be satisfied by “fcpx on tablet-convertible mac that isn’t an ipad”
 
RIP anyone that bought the 2020 iPad Pro. That version should have been released only as a dev kit for AR cameras, almost no benefit over the 2018.

Yes, because as we all know, the 2020 iPad Pro will turn into ash and dust the moment a successor is announced.

I wont buy a new iPad Pro , if macOS Big Sur comes to the iPad Pros

iPads run iPadOS.

Even if you believe that they will one day merge iPadOS and macOS, they're not going to let you install a different Apple OS on their device.
 
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There’s a market for bringing FCPX to the iPad. Once it runs on ARM, why not?. They’re redesigning MacOS’s interface to be more finger friendly, which could just be design but also serve another purpose.

If they want to bring FCP to the iPad, they'll bring FCP to iPadOS. Not bring macOS to the iPad.
 
If I were Apple, I'd focus on keeping up with the demand for the current 2020 iPad Pros rather than push out another new iPad Pro so soon.
 
Yeah right...
The Macbook Air with 4GB RAM was a lie... yeaah suuuure. uhu
anyways I am not arguing with you anymore

to everyone else who wants to join the discussion:
Even if the the RAM would be considered "critical" on the iPad. I dont think its quite comparable. The iPads have very very fast Storage. Which by the way is a double edged sword of course. Because of that , Apple never saw the urge to bump up the RAM on iDevices frequently and extensively.
If you take a look at the Android phones which come from slower UFS (and even used to have SD cards) you can see that they always required a lot of RAM. 12GB RAM in a OnePlus 8 Pro... (to be fair the latest version of UFS is fast, but still.. you get the trend).
Anyways. lol. I was trying to say that Apple could potentially pull off some "Magic" with good App hibernation, given their crazy fast storage. I remember reading that Apple uses nvme protocol for the iPhone 6s NAND. One should not underestimate whats possible on the iPhones/iPads.

Sorry, He’s right. You’re wrong. You wanna speculate on the trajectory 5 years from now, fine. Maybe Apple has plans down the road. But NOT Big Sur. Almost certainly not next year either.

There would definitely be more rumors and hints regarding something that huge. You’re just spitballing from your own backyard what you think is possible and perhaps what you want to see. According to Apple, current rumors against that idea, customer demand, the wwdc keynote, arguably the hardware, AND the LACK of rumors for the concept... this is not a concern your even this upcoming iPad Pro.
 
Yeah right...
The Macbook Air with 4GB RAM was a lie... yeaah suuuure. uhu
anyways I am not arguing with you anymore

There was also a 128 MB iBook that ran Mac OS X. I know, because I had one. You wouldn't want to run Big Sur on it regardless.

Even the relatively low-end 2015 MacBook, which does run Big Sur (barely?) started at 8 GB.

to everyone else who wants to join the discussion:
Even if the the RAM would be considered "critical" on the iPad. I dont think its quite comparable. The iPads have very very fast Storage.


iPad Pro 12.9 (2018) 1TB model

1057 write
1321 read

That's not bad, and about on par with a MacBook Air, but way slower than a MacBook Pro: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...review-the-most-boring-mac-is-among-the-best/

(1,262/1,281 for the Air, 2,809/2,632 for the Pro)

Which… I would say doesn't quite support your point that the iPad makes up little RAM by fast storage. The storage of the high-end iPad Pro is only as fast of that of a low-end Mac.

Plus, iOS doesn't have even have swap.

Which by the way is a double edged sword of course. Because of that , Apple never saw the urge to bump up the RAM on iDevices frequently and extensively.
If you take a look at the Android phones which come from slower UFS (and even used to have SD cards) you can see that they always required a lot of RAM. 12GB RAM in a OnePlus 8 Pro... (to be fair the latest version of UFS is fast, but still.. you get the trend).

Android needs more RAM in part because of JIT and GC.

Anyways. lol. I was trying to say that Apple could potentially pull off some "Magic" with good App hibernation, given their crazy fast storage. I remember reading that Apple uses nvme protocol for the iPhone 6s NAND. One should not underestimate whats possible on the iPhones/iPads.

Yes, but then at best, they're as good as a Mac. And in practice, they're not.

Sorry, He’s right. You’re wrong. You wanna speculate on the trajectory 5 years from now, fine. Maybe Apple has plans down the road. But NOT Big Sur. Almost certainly not next year either.

There would definitely be more rumors and hints regarding something that huge. You’re just spitballing from your own backyard what you think is possible and perhaps what you want to see. According to Apple, current rumors against that idea, customer demand, the wwdc keynote, arguably the hardware, AND the LACK of rumors for the concept... this is not a concern your even this upcoming iPad Pro.

My bigger issue with this is that they haven't made the case on why Apple would bring Big Sur to the iPad, and what that would entail. Is iPadOS dead on the iPad Pro (if so, why did they bother bringing changes like sidebars to it?)? Is this dual-boot (talk about a very un-Apple approach)? A built-to-order option (how do you explain this in marketing)?
 
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Sorry, He’s right. You’re wrong. You wanna speculate on the trajectory 5 years from now, fine. Maybe Apple has plans down the road. But NOT Big Sur. Almost certainly not next year either.

There would definitely be more rumors and hints regarding something that huge. You’re just spitballing from your own backyard what you think is possible and perhaps what you want to see. According to Apple, current rumors against that idea, customer demand, the wwdc keynote, arguably the hardware, AND the LACK of rumors for the concept... this is not a concern your even this upcoming iPad Pro.

Virtualization does become a possibility though. Hmm. We know the hardware supports it, but is there an App Store rule again virtualisation software?
 
Virtualization does become a possibility though. Hmm. We know the hardware supports it, but is there an App Store rule again virtualisation software?
Though virtualisation needs even more RAM than running macOS directly. I suspect that this will limit the usefulness of any such software severely.
 
Though virtualisation needs even more RAM than running macOS directly. I suspect that this will limit the usefulness of any such software severely.
Ah, that is a concern. Of course, it depends what you do - I've run MacOS in a VM with only 4GB RAM assigned and it was perfectly usable, but it wouldn't be ideal, that's for sure.
 
Virtualization does become a possibility though. Hmm. We know the hardware supports it, but is there an App Store rule again virtualisation software?

Probably near-impossible to do without breaking out of the sandbox, which the App Store won't allow. (Even outside the App Store, you're still typically sandboxed.)
 
what? You know what I want? Lol

Of course I want my cake and eat it too. I was talking about ideals for me, not what Apple WILL do.

I get that they may never combine the platforms. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want it.
It isn't ideal for you either, it isn't ideal for anyone. You don't have a clue what you actually want.
 
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