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I have never thought for a moment that my iPad 3 or mini was slow, so I am interested to know how these results work in real world application.

Meaning that the speed of my web browser is often determined by the speed of my ISP, so how useful is this speed in reality?

Everything else is just App's opening and closing in simple terms (which is pretty fast anyway) and then App's running as they are designed to run, regardless of processor speeds.

For Web-browsing, yes. Not that significant. But say, if you run simulations liked those on the iPad ad. there's big difference. Also, more fancy games with brilliant graphics may come out.
 
When I went from an iPad 3 to an iPad 4, I really noticed the difference. I’m talking from my perspective/end user experience, not benchmarks.

Not only did the upgrade pretty much do away with any kind of stutter or lag, a number of apps (mostly photo/video or games with complex 3D) were way faster (less time to render, improved frame rates), and a few game even had better graphic (more detailed textures for example), and even a few everyday tasks like web browsing were improved.

FWIW, both tablets running iOS6.

So moving to an iPad Air will be all that much better for “real world” performance, plus from an iPad 3 you’re losing over 0.4 lbs, getting a better front and rear camera, better microphone setup, and if you’re already on other lightening port iOS devices, you get closer to cable consolidation :D

I’m probably going to upgrade our 4th gen, but I _think_ I’m going to try a Mini now that’s it’s retina (and likely doesn’t give up much in terms of performance to the Air).

That's really good to know.

Like you, I am actually looking to buy the new Mini. I bought the 1st Generation WIFI Mini, more as a lower cost mobile convenience option to compliment my iPad 3. However, I found that I use it all the time and do not even know where my iPad 3 is right now...

So I will hope to get a Cellular & WIFI 64GB/128GB Mini at some point. But then again, I am yet to see and hold the Air in my hands, which many reports imply it is a significantly smaller form factor over the last....
 
? Do you know something specific, or assuming stuffs? Unless you can explain based on how rendering works in safari, you're just throwing some facts together hoping it makes sense.

No, I don't work for Apple so I don't. But I know my iPhone 4S browses the web just as quickly as Android phones with much more RAM. So basically, my proof is my own side-by-side comparison of my iPhone to a few friends' Galaxys. Plus, I could see the colors better and have a much wider field of view.
 
If you make a bigger hard drive but with the same physical dimensions using a different build process, then yes, it IS innovation. Or is the retina display not a innovation as well? How about what Intel has been doing for the past 25+ years with x86 chips.

Making UI more intuitive is an UI improvement. Implementing new features is a features improvement.

Let say I add a physical button on side of the IPad which turns the WiFi on and off, would that be an innovation? I added a feature and more intuitive UI...

I'm sorry, but a bigger hard drive is not innovation, it's iteration. The hybrid drives we see are innovation, the SSD was an innovation. Changing the way data was stored on a magnetic HDD was innovation. Simply making it bigger is not an innovation.

If Apple came out with a screen that looked higher res but was actually lower res, THAT would be innovating.

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Please help me if I'm not understanding this definition...
It seems like being the 1st to bring 64 bit to a tablet makes it a "new idea"??
Apparently you are the expert though, so I will await your further elucidation.

I didn't say anything about the CPU architecture.

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I disagree. A technological improvement is innovation when you do not use the same process to get to the same (or improved) end result.

So, making a new chip is innovation. Perhaps making the same chip faster (overclocking) is not.

This iPad is damn near all new: new form factor, new chips architecture, etc., all while maintaining the functionality of previous versions. This is a vastly different iPad that does the same things, albeit faster and more efficiently and in a more comfortable package. So, it "does something in a new way". And what it took to get there is also innovative.

Alright, so every single time Samsung increases performance with a new chip are you going to praise them for innovating?
 
Alright, so every single time Samsung increases performance with a new chip are you going to praise them for innovating?

Of course. When Apple does it, it is a useless gimmick. When Samsung does it a year later, it is innovation.
 
I have never thought for a moment that my iPad 3 or mini was slow, so I am interested to know how these results work in real world application.

I have a 3rd Gen and it is slower than I'd like it to be. If I bought the device today I'd be disappointed with its performance. Keyboard occasionally lags, and app switching is slower than on newer devices.

It still works though and I'm going to hold out for the next version of the Air in 2014 as I want TouchID on all my devices (I'm hoping it's introduced next year).


Meaning that the speed of my web browser is often determined by the speed of my ISP, so how useful is this speed in reality?

Not at all. I'm surprised by the high number of likes your comment got as it's incorrect information. Read Anandtech's review of the 5s and note how the A7 is able to load pages impressively fast:

"Web browsing is ultimately where I noticed the A7's performance the most. As long as I was on a good internet connection, web pages just appeared after resolving DNS."

http://anandtech.com/print/7335/the-iphone-5s-review


Everything else is just App's opening and closing in simple terms (which is pretty fast anyway) and then App's running as they are designed to run, regardless of processor speeds.

Apps can scale performance depending on the underlying hardware:

"From my time playing this game on both the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5s, the differences are there, but are slightly minimal. The extra effects that 64-bit is being used for within this game are things like added and more realistic reflections, and additional anti-aliasing. All of this does add up, however, and playing Infinity Blade 3 on the iPhone 5s definitely feels like a more immersive experience."

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-5s...it-running-infinity-blade-3-comparison-video/

Hopefully as devs get to grips with the extra performance we see greater implementations.
 
Of course. When Apple does it, it is a useless gimmick. When Samsung does it a year later, it is innovation.

...what?

1: I never called it a useless gimmick
2: I never called it useless
3: I never called it a gimmick
4: I already said it ISN'T innovation (because it isn't)
5: Are you seriously suggesting that Samsung copies Apple's CPU architecture?
6: Are you suggesting the only reason Samsung or any other company makes their CPUs more powerful is because Apple "did it first"?
 
Not at all. I'm surprised by the high number of likes your comment got as it's incorrect information. Read Anandtech's review of the 5s and note how the A7 is able to load pages impressively fast:

"Web browsing is ultimately where I noticed the A7's performance the most. As long as I was on a good internet connection, web pages just appeared after resolving DNS."

How can my comment "..the speed of my web browser is often determined by the speed of my ISP...", be incorrect information? :confused:

When I am at home, or on a WIFI broadband connection [UK], all my devices run significantly faster than they do on 3G, or using my 3G MIFI dongle for my iPads. In fact I have no issue with my browser speeds on high speed broadband connections.

I also notice a huge difference when I regularly stay in rural France, as they can only push out 5MB (maximum) speed to my property.

So I stand by my comment as it is correct, in my applications and observations.
 
That's why Samsung cheats on benchmarks. (They built the names of several popular benchmarks into their OS, and when you start an app with one of those names, they crank up the clock speed with disregard of heat and battery life to get higher scores).

Hmmm didn't know that. Just curious if u have a source
 
How can my comment "..the speed of my web browser is often determined by the speed of my ISP...", be incorrect information? :confused:

When I am at home, or on a WIFI broadband connection [UK], all my devices run significantly faster than they do on 3G, or using my 3G MIFI dongle for my iPads. In fact I have no issue with my browser speeds on high speed broadband connections.

I also notice a huge difference when I regularly stay in rural France, as they can only push out 5MB (maximum) speed to my property.

So I stand by my comment as it is correct, in my applications and observations.

I think most people on a tech website understand that a browser will load web pages slower on a slow connection. I wasn't doubting that, haha.

Re-read the rest of my reply to see where I thought you were incorrect.

Ultimately if all you do is browse the web you won't notice much difference from the A7. Take your iPad to an Apple store. Join the same WiFi as a display iPad Air. Start browsing. All of a sudden your 3rd gen will feel slow.
 
All of a sudden your 3rd gen will feel slow.

And you make my point exactly... It is not slow.., just slower than the latest faster model.

Like comparing a ferrari and a Lamborghini. Only people who have no real appreciation of cars and only care for statistics are bothered if one is 10-20MPH faster than another. Additionally, it makes no difference to a road car used to get to work and back if one can do 100mph or 200mph, because you will never in reality be able to drive at 200mph for any length of time.

In reality the speed as you point out makes no real difference and you will be hard pushed to notice the difference unless you are racing side by side. You do not care if you are driving about in the car and are oblivious to the speed differences and would hardly think of trading it in because another model or make is a little faster.

You need to perhaps read my original post, to understand my point as you are the one re-qouting on mine, without understanding it fully.

But, as this point who cares?
 
And you make my point exactly... It is not slow.., just slower than the latest faster model.

Like comparing a ferrari and a Lamborghini. Only people who have no real appreciation of cars and only care for statistics are bothered if one is 10-20MPH faster than another. Additionally, it makes no difference to a road car used to get to work and back if one can do 100mph or 200mph, because you will never in reality be able to drive at 200mph for any length of time.

In reality the speed as you point out makes no real difference and you will be hard pushed to notice the difference unless you are racing side by side. You do not care if you are driving about in the car and are oblivious to the speed differences and would hardly think of trading it in because another model or make is a little faster.

You need to perhaps read my original post, to understand my point as you are the one re-qouting on mine, without understanding it fully.



We'll just agree to disagree - as a 3rd Gen owner I do think it's slow. But I'm going to put up with the slight issues until next years model.

For your use cases it isn't too slow - mainly browsing.
For others they might be - gaming, video editing etc

The car anology is just plain wrong. Cars are driven on roads with limits (in most of the world). The iPad will improve with under the hood performance increases in the right use cases.


But, as this point who cares?

Not us! Ha. :)
 
The car anology is just plain wrong. Cars are driven on roads with limits (in most of the world).

Why?

Again you have limited your understanding, by only considering your own point of view.

I drive one of my cars in particular on track days once a month, I do upto around 150 mph legally, before lifting off. I drive it home keeping to the limits (well mostly..).

Most people will not take their car on a track day and I accept that, as much as you perhaps need to accept that most people will not be editing any meaningful video, or doing the equivalent of a track day on their iPad. Have you tried iMovie on iPad....? :D

The Apple videos (like most good PR) are good a relaying a sense something you can do but never will, when you realise the productivity loss. Like the corpoarate guy show off a 3D model, when in reality companies are so tight they buy iPad 2's! and he would be using a Mac Pro :D

And then there's iOS gaming....:eek: I will say no more, to avoid my own point of view clouding the issue too much.

So yes, we will need to agree to disagree. ;)
 
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