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Wow, troll guy is really looking for a fight from everyone. I'm kind of surprised he isn't in Time-Out yet.

Anyway, here is simple logic:

64-bit apps use 20-30% more ram. This has been tested by an expert using actual code on an actual A7. Since the iPad 4 and iPad Air both have 1GB of RAM, the iPad Air has less useable RAM available than the iPad 4. That's a fact. The debatable part is how much it affects system performance. That is the question the OP is trying so answer, particularly in a use-case which is clearly important to him and many others. Going back and forth with useless arguments doesn't get to the core of what we're trying to solve here.

For me, tabs refreshing is annoying but not the end of the world. What I'm wondering is how well this now limited 1GB of RAM performs for higher-end creative apps such as painting and photo editing. Will this result in a reduced canvas size or output resolution? I know that when iPads started shipping with 1GB that all of these apps updated with higher settings, more layers, etc. Will that be an issue?

Finally, for those talking about their old Powebooks with 1GB of RAM not reloading tabs, it's because Mac OS pages to disk. So a lot of that stuff could be cached on the disk. iOS doesn't allow this, maybe because Apple doesn't want to have too many write cycles on the flash storage? I wonder if a good stop-gap measure would be to include a tiny 2 or 4GB flash chip that is faster, more resilient (more write cycles), that would handle iOS paging requests? I just don't know if such an addition would be prohibitively expensive, add a lot of cost, or drain the batter faster. But it could help with retaining things like form data and cached pages. Certainly reloading from the NAND is much faster than trying again over WIFI or LTE with the added preservation benefit and reduced data usage for those on limited mobile plans.

I had this app that I would use on my iPad for flying that would let me save pages to the iPad and then I could browse the sites while on the plane. It was really handy. They were obviously saved to the flash storage and opened quite instantly, even on the iPad 2.
 
All I got from this thread was that someone was intent on proving their point and arguing with anyone who challenged them. It was entertaining... For a bit.
 
I think 4GB of SLC NAND costs more than 32GB MLC and it's still not as effective as just upping the RAM to 2-4GB. The extra NAND is likely to use more power than a RAM upgrade will, too.
 
Oh wait that was just your lame attempt to discourage people from upgrading because you can't afford to upgrade. Of course until you secretly buy one yourself months later and then have a huge parade for yourself in private. Even if it's the iPad Mini Retina it's the same A7 chip and according to you will have the same imaginary issue. Your "facts" were not even CLOSE... the iPad Mini barely retains 2-3 tabs and the iPad Air can break 15. Embarrassing.

Look you obviously have some deep seated insecurities about your purchase and have the need to proof to others it's a great device in order to feel good about your purchase.

The intention was NOT to discourage people from upgrading or buying the new iPads. I made this thread to investigate an important issue for myself. I have posted the results of the tests I was able to do and asked others to do the same IN ORDER to find out how the iPad performs.

The goal was not to convince people the new iPads are bad, but simply get clearity about this. I really don't know why you are taking this so seriously. I have been trying to investigate this issue from th start HOPING I would be wrong, but I was trying to base all of this on facts.

What I had posted were the best facts I could get at the time.

You on the other hand came here pretty much shouting: "you guys are stupid for even questioning apple or trying to make sure your needs are filled. HAVENT YOU HEARD?!!?!? It's SIXTY ****ING FOUR bit. All is good."

Now you are coming back and saying your baseless, stupid and factless arguments were right all along.

PS: you are right I will purchase the new iPad mini. In fact I had it decided before I opened this thread.

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To everyone els in this thread: thanks for your input. It looks like the situation is better than I thought. I would be happy to see more reports of daily usage.
 
I've had my Air for over 24 hours and found this thread via Google after noticing the Air reloads tabs more often than my 3rd gen iPad. I'm only trying to maintain three tabs and switch back and forth between an app. Disappointing and I'd like to understand why, and if there is any hope that Apple can release an update to improve it. Even with FiOS and 802.11n, the refreshes are annoying.
 
I've had my Air for over 24 hours and found this thread via Google after noticing the Air reloads tabs more often than my 3rd gen iPad. I'm only trying to maintain three tabs and switch back and forth between an app. Disappointing and I'd like to understand why, and if there is any hope that Apple can release an update to improve it. Even with FiOS and 802.11n, the refreshes are annoying.

Apple will release an update. It's called the ipad 6, and it will come with 2 gigs of RAM.
 
Apple will release an update. It's called the ipad 6, and it will come with 2 gigs of RAM.

I agree iPad 6 or it might be the iPad Pro model, but I bet we will see a 2GB ipad within 6 months. Thats why I just got a lower spec in this one, its not a keeper.
 
I've had my Air for over 24 hours and found this thread via Google after noticing the Air reloads tabs more often than my 3rd gen iPad. I'm only trying to maintain three tabs and switch back and forth between an app. Disappointing and I'd like to understand why, and if there is any hope that Apple can release an update to improve it. Even with FiOS and 802.11n, the refreshes are annoying.

Sometimes, after using lots of other apps, I find it can't even hold TWO tabs in memory, even simple pages. It's easily rectified though - I hesitate to recommend those terrible "free memory" apps on the store, but I use one. It essentially closes all your other apps (not ideal, they'll still be there if you bring up the app switcher, it'll need to refresh them though) and, suddenly, you can open 6 or 7+ tabs easily without reloading.

In all other regards, the Air is fantastic, but I really wish it had more ram as it I can't help feeling it's slightly gimped, certainly where web browsing is concerned. I hope what others suggest is true, that there's likely going to be optimisation going forward.

I don't subscribe to the new-ipad-in-6-months theory (one 6 month upgrade in 5 gens, go figure) - all this talk of ram is, frankly, irrelevant to 90% of iPad buyers, we forumites are not representative. The only slight possibility being an iPad Pro. But a Pro iPad would likely be bigger, and I've got zero interest in a bigger iPad - I was originally vacillating between an Air and a Mini.

Hmm, a small part of me is tempted to return it and wait a year, but I really don't want to have to use my old 3 for another year.
 
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The one thing that quits working on my ipad air and previously the 4 is Google Earth. It is a memory hog and really needs 2megs to work.
 
Going to LMFAO at all the defensive people in this thread when the iPad Pro comes out in March with better specs. Enjoy the $800 paperweight which will see its resale value plummet.

Seriously, OP was trying to investigate a legitimate issue that clearly more than one people are noticing. Is it a non-starter for the average joe? Probably not.
 
This is from my iPad Air

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You use google earth frequently? Just curious what for?

To show people how cool it looks, mostly. It's one of the apps that just shines on the iPad.

"Show me your new iPad."

"Here you go."

So you stare at a screenful of icons with a cool wallpaper, or you launch something.

Google Earth
Infinity Blade
Starwalk
Photobooth

It's really all it's good for on the iPad. On my MBA, while I'm plotting nautical routes with Garmin software, you can open waypoints in a Google Earth. Not incredibly useful either, but very, very cool.
 
To show people how cool it looks, mostly. It's one of the apps that just shines on the iPad.

"Show me your new iPad."

"Here you go."

So you stare at a screenful of icons with a cool wallpaper, or you launch something.

Google Earth
Infinity Blade
Starwalk
Photobooth

It's really all it's good for on the iPad. On my MBA, while I'm plotting nautical routes with Garmin software, you can open waypoints in a Google Earth. Not incredibly useful either, but very, very cool.

OK, because other than it looking cool once in a while I was never able to find an everyday practical use for it so was curious.
 
Going to LMFAO at all the defensive people in this thread when the iPad Pro comes out in March with better specs. Enjoy the $800 paperweight which will see its resale value plummet.

Seriously, OP was trying to investigate a legitimate issue that clearly more than one people are noticing. Is it a non-starter for the average joe? Probably not.

Aww someone's butt hurt that they don't have an Air. How cute.
 
This is from my iPad Air

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Same for me - lots of low memory warnings. Safari restarting frequently even with only 1 or 2 tabs open. I've just power cycled the air to see if that helps.

I hope apple is able to fix this soon. It will help if air owners allow their diagnostic data to be sent to apple. This can be found in Settings-->General-->About-->Diagnostics & Usage-->Automatically Send

I'd hate to think my 64-bit "future proofed" iPad will be obsolete in 6 months when developers really start compiling for 64bit. My air, for 95% of my computing has completely replaced my laptop. Love the performance, just hope it doesn't become unusable down the road due to the RAM constraint. I was hoping to get several years worth of use out of this $900 device.
 
Same here, lots of low memory logs. Not even using it heavily.

My ipad 2 is full of these, and they are still selling ipad 2s for $400.

People expect too much from the upgrades, this upgrade had pretty much everything except for ram, next year, and yes it will be next year, the upgrade will be hardly anything but ram and people will complain. The device is hardly unusable, otherwise every ipad 2 / mini user would be complaining left, right and centre. What's been their biggest seller? Ipad 2 and mini....

Anyone expecting an ipad pro in march is going to be disappointed, iPads are released in the fall, and even if by some miracle it is, it's going to have a lot more problems with it then just safari tabs having to reload. I don't see why they would release a larger ipad so soon given that sales indicate people want more mini iPads, it just wouldn't work out resource wise at the moment.

If I had an ipad 4, and didn't mind the weight then there should be no reason for an upgrade, I skipped ipad 3 even though the screen was great, it was just too soon for an upgrade, when they released the 4th I still waited, it was too soon. Tablet upgrades once a year can't be that common for most people surly? And if you do it's a bit unrealistic to expect every aspect of the device to be upgraded each time.
 
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Aww someone's butt hurt that they don't have an Air. How cute.

Really? You think getting an air is so difficult? Sorry you feel need to resort to ad hominem attacks to make you feel better about your purchase.

There's a reason why there have been note negative threads about the Air and more threads about people trying to justify the upgrade than any other Apple product. Speaks volumes.
 
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Really? You think getting an air is so difficult? Sorry you feel need to resort to ad hominem attacks to make you feel better about your purchase.

There's a reason why there have been note negative threads about the Air and more threads about people trying to justify the upgrade than any other Apple product. Speaks volumes.

What do you care what other people do? Get a life. What does it say about you that you have to tell people to "enjoy their paperweight" on release weekend?
 
My S4 never reloads a website, no matter how much tabs I've got open. 2GB ram really makes a difference. My iPad 2 is really a pain.. 2 websites the most it can handle before reloading.. and the reloading is sooo slow!!
 
The Verge tests in detail

This is the "Verge Test" that was suggested last week in this thread. Multi-tab browsing is something that is of great interest to me as I am a total tab slut. If there was a support group called Tab Addicts Anonymous, then I would be the chairperson.

iPad Air 16GB Wifi only, clean reboot each time, no background apps, no tabs:

Apple Safari (SunSpider 379.8ms) - 10 tabs before a tab had to reload

Google Chrome (Sunspider 1376ms) - 7 tabs before I noticed the monochrome reloading effect, however after this I closed the tabs one by one and it was still happening! It was only when I got back down to 3 tabs, could it switch between them without reloading! Seriously, on 4 tabs, chrome had to reload….. yikes

iCab Mobile with Lastpass extension (SunSpider 1364ms) - 16 tabs! Yes, after 15 tabs, iCab mobile (my favourite third party browser before this test) was still able to switch between all Verge tabs without any reloads whatsover. Very, very impressive seeming it also includes lots of nifty features and addons.

Opera Coast (SunSpider 1364ms) - One tab. Fail app for power users. If I want full-screen, I can do that in iCab mobile……

Essentially the takeaway from this is that Safari is much better than Chrome or any other browser using Webkit as it has the Nitro javascript engine, unless you are really in love with Chrome shared bookmarks and tabs.

Personally, I think I will use a combination of Safari and iCab, until I put more of my passwords in keychain. If I can keep my browsing to under 10 tabs, Safari is the better option.

I have another test for you - latimes.com

This horribly coded site loaded pretty fast on my laptop, but took 39 seconds on iCab mobile, and 55 seconds in Safari. I couldn't believe how long it too in Safari, the first time I tried it didn't even load after 90 seconds, then I got the 55 second result, and then I cleared the cache and tried Safari again, it took 1 min 22 sec for the words LA Times to actually show up, and 2 minutes for the popup telling me they have an iPad app to appear.

So even nitro javascript can't save you from bad code.
 
I don't think it's a RAM issue as much as it's sloppy Safari/iOS 7 issues.

Let's assume iOS 7 consumes less than 500MB of RAM. How many safari tabs could you have with 500 MB? Probably more than 10-15.

Safari will refresh most of my tabs despite not needing to. This is one reason browsing battery life isn't great, and data usage will go up. Doesn't really enhance user experience.

iOS is made for a far too linear experience. You can't even reply to an iMessage without leaving your app and going to that one.

iOS7 running with apple.com open in safari uses around 900Mb...
 
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