You are trying to switch between macOS and windows. If you only restore macOS or windows, there is no extra work.
Also, when you restore iOS device, there is no conversion. So I don’t see your point here.
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Also, when you restore iOS device, there is no conversion. So I don’t see your point here.
I know many will never see my point of view or accept iPad as a laptop alternative, but I’ll always have the conversation and state my case. The people who tend to argue with me are typically so stuck in the past that they can’t even see the future right in front of them. There are many ways iPadOS can be improved and it’s definitely not the best tool for every task or person, but it’s just naive to act like it can’t be a viable alternative for the bulk of computer users. Unfortunately, I think most are simply scared of change, unwilling to adapt, or are worried that the desktop paradigm they have held onto for years is slipping away. There’s room for both (or many) types of platforms, but it’s clear where the future is headed.
The future still can't (effectively) cut and paste: no thanks. I use the ipad for art applications--
some apps are now offering keyboard shortcuts: thank god those dev's are 'stuck in the past'
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Windows 10 on-screen keyboard has several modes as well, including all of the ones you mentioned plus handwriting recognition if you want to write with a digital pen.
What are you basing this on? The sales numbers certainly don't bear this out. Tablet sales are shrinking.
Only in short term. You need to see further. And cloud computing, or the idea of pooling computing resources and selling it to customers, will become a strong trend in the future.
iPad sales have actually been increasing. This and the focus on cloud computing for many companies puts iPad in a great position moving forward.
It's not that. But when you claim how great ios 13 is, are you installing a beta at work? You say you try this app and that app til you tweak that workflow just right and I'm wondering what company allows this? Does every individual at your 15B company allowed to pick a tablet, pc, mac, etc and go to town on what suits them personally? That sounds like a nightmare. If someone replaced you or you take a vacation, how would anyone know what the heck is going on?
Granted, I can see how someone can use an ipad as their only device at home. And that sounds like the case for you. But then you throw your work into it and it doesn't start to make much sense.
I have installed the beta on my primary machine, working great aside from Mail. I installed Outlook and have been using that instead. My company gives me the freedom to choose a device that works for me due to my position, but not every individual has that ability and still relies on Mac’s or Windows machines. Ultimately, as long as I can effectively run my business and use a secure passcode, I can use what I want. I’m part of a leadership team that has access to any cloud files they need access to if I take time off, but most of our reporting and performance management tools are web based. I log on to our platform via Citrix sometimes also. I’ve said it doesn’t work for everyone, it really just depends on the individual and the task at hand.
Right but that's just Apple. Their market share goes from moderate to tiny depending which product you are talking about. They do well with tablets but ultimately the sold just over 40 million last year the PC market was 256 million in unit sales.
Last three years in unit sales
2016: Tablets: 174.9 million, PC (desktop/laptop): 260.1 million
2017: Tablets: 163 million PC (desktop/laptop): 260.1 million
2018: Tablets: 150.3 million PC (desktop/laptop) 256.7 million
Seems pretty clear to me if anything is slipping away there it seems to be tablets.
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See the numbers above there have been a big fall off it tablet sales in the last three years, they don't really seem to be a big focus for anybody other than Apple.
Well yea, I’m only talking about the iPad. No other tablet comes close in terms of performance, apps, security, privacy, ecosystem, and support. Of course they aren’t selling.
Sure, it is declining. But that’s because everybody has figured out they cannot compete with Apple directly in tablet market anymore. All they are hoping is to sell some windows tablets or Samsung android tablets to remain relevant in the tablet market. If you can see Apple iPad sales number, you should be able to see something more interesting.
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Yeah, I saw building manager Citrix to remote apps from time to time. While warehouse workers RDP to virtual desktop with windows server 2012 (I think) and do all kinds of work over there.
Thats fine but tablets arent going to be the 'future of computing' if it's just one company selling 40 million and nobody else cares. Its less than fifth of the amount of 'desktop computers' being sold.
It works surprisingly well actually. I don’t always need system access though so it’s not something I use daily.
Not really, Apples tablet business has declined too.
iPad 2016: 45.59 million
iPad 2017: 43.75 million
iPad 2018: 43.5 million
Bear in mind that at its peak in 2014 Apple were selling nearly 68 million a year.
Numbers from Statista btw.
Not true. While sales number take a dive, the total volume of iPad still increases nonetheless. Just like iPhone, when so many people have a phone of some kind already, they will not just randomly smash their old yet still working phone for something new. There have been reports citing poor iPhone sales across the board in 2019, which tells something, and people are keeping their perfectly working 6s, 6, 7, 8, X (which is a little over one year old) and having no plan to upgrade. Same will happen on iPad, albeit in a smaller scale.
Then, If Apple releases a version of iOS that many devices can access with killing futuristic features, people will slowly start trying it out, find it interesting, and conveniently forgetting the time they did not have it. Because of the sheer volume of smartphones, I can clearly see the impact. Heck, if all iPhones are connected to a zombie network, the DDOS attack may paralyse a mid sized website with no effort.
Sales number is ONLY RELEVANT to Wall Street and nowhere else.
I see us relying more so on cloud computing in the future so I think Apple is positioning the iPad very well. It will definitely take time and the workforce will always heavily rely on Windows machines, but iOS mobile devices will only become more and more important to the future of computing once companies move to the cloud. There’s a place for both options, but I don’t see desktop or laptop computers as the prominent computing devices moving forward. I think Jobs said it best in the car/truck analogy.
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Again, the numbers don't support that.
Well if sales numbers for a product decline by tens of millions every year for four years, as they have with tablets, that is a clear indication that the product is becoming less popular it doesnt matter which street you're on.
Ironically Apple managed to reverse the iPads thirteen quarter decline when they released the $329 model.
People are already relying on the cloud. Google has an entire operating system based on it and its dominant the US K12 education market. Google had 60% of that market last year with chromebooks.
The evidence seems to suggest that computing is moving towards the ChromeOS style paradigm, Microsoft is going down the same route with Windows S. Small internal drives in 2 in 1/ laptop style devices and documents living in the cloud.
iOS might have a place there but the problem is the same as they have with the Mac, the hardware is way too expensive and thus its marketshare is likely to remain tiny.
Exactly, and that will only continue. Cloud computing is absolutely the future. I think Apple realizes this and will move to make the iPad more Mac-like in many ways to further compete against devices like you mention. It’s already begun with iOS 13 and will continue over time. It’s really exciting to see and it reminds of me of the early OS X days with new features and additions coming out every year. This move to cloud computing is one of the main reasons I decided to shift my workflows to the iPad as it gives me extremely flexibility in the future. Cost is relative as I feel that the iPad and any software I have purchased over the year is relatively low cost compared to the upgrades and software costs many of my colleagues are forced to make. Even with their higher costs, they continue to sell, as they have great value and they last. Of course they will have a place when it comes to cloud computing.
They will have a place but it will similar to the place the Mac has now, in my opinion, as in it will be around 5-7% of the market with the Chromebook and Windows S Book (?) makers taking the majority of the sales into business/schools.
Apple will struggle to sell the hardware into education and business, it isn't really cost effective when you look at the other platforms.
I think you conveniently ignore the point of “total volume” here, which represents the total number of iPads sold over the past few years. People are not buying the new ones because what they have is good enough. And iPads are designed with cloud computing in mind, only until iOS 13 when they try to make iPad work more like a windows laptop, or MacBooks.
Sales number only reflects that SINGLE year, which is not enough indication to see how popular the product is, but only a variant or several variants of that said product.
You do mention Apple reverses the iPad selling trend by releasing budget iPad. That is the point: people want such a device that mostly “just works” without digging around files, settings, random hacks and so on, which are what windows laptop, Linux machine and macOS computer does the best. As long as ipad price point lands on their ideal budget range, they will give it a shot. Likewise, People don’t buy iPhone XS Max like crazy because they cost way too much, not because they don’t like using iPhone. That’s why iPhone XR is selling well.
Nothing wrong with that, Apple seems to be doing pretty well as is. Either way, bright future ahead for cloud computing and the iPad. We’re really only at the beginning.
Yeah, but it really doesn't. You're mostly listed the differences.
Would Apple agree that the old Pro was a better device overall? Yes, of course. That's why it cost more.