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iPad Continues to Outsell Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft Tablets Combined
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[doublepost=1469758849][/doublepost]I have an iPhone 6s Plus, iPad Mini, and a MacBook Pro. I use them all equally but for different purposes. If you don't see the use for a tablet, great for you. Obviously sales show plenty of people do see the need for tablets.
Apple released its fiscal third quarter earnings results earlier this week, confirming that it sold 9.95 million iPads from early March through late June. iPad shipments have now declined for ten consecutive quarters, but the lineup continues to outsell all Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft tablets combined.
Taiwanese market research firm TrendForce has released new quarterly data that shows Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft shipped an estimated 6 million, 2.2 million, and 700,000 units respectively for a combined total of 9.5 million, amounting to roughly 450,000 fewer tablets than the number of iPads sold.
Despite the shipment decline, reflective of a continued slowdown in the broader tablet market, Apple's tablet revenue increased for the first time in ten quarters due to the iPad Pro's higher average selling price. The 9.7-inch iPad Pro starts at $599, whereas the iPad Air 2 started at $499, while the 12.9-inch iPad Pro is priced from $799.
In terms of shipments, however, TrendForce says the iPad Air 2 was the key driver:Worldwide tablet shipments in the June quarter totaled an estimated 33.54 million units, representing a quarterly drop of 4.8 percent and a year-on-year decline of 8.8 percent. Lenovo, Huawei, and ASUS were also among the top six vendors, with estimated shipments of 2.4 million, 2.2 million, and 800,000 tablets respectively.
With no new iPads models anticipated in the immediate future, TrendForce estimates Apple's tablet sales will drop to 9.2 million sequentially.
Article Link: iPad Continues to Outsell Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft Tablets Combined
You know, I used to diss the iPad years ago by calling it a giant iPod touch. I am wrong only to realize iPads are probably the most durable product line to use iOS. Seems like battery life last forever on them. Like it doesn't degrade while iPhones will degrade within 18 months.
iPad 2 - Five years old. Still going to be updated to iOS10. Standby is amazing. SOT is like new with 10+ hrs for video playback everytime. Still flawless. You gotta tip your hat towards iPads. There is always a chance too that if I don't buy an iPhone 6se or SE, I might as well get a newer iPad mini. Practically the same iOS experience to me like iPhone especially for media consumption.
iPad 2 - Five years old. Still going to be updated to iOS10. Standby is amazing. SOT is like new with 10+ hrs for video playback everytime. Still flawless. You gotta tip your hat towards iPads. There is always a chance too that if I don't buy an iPhone 6se or SE, I might as well get a newer iPad mini. Practically the same iOS experience to me like iPhone especially for media consumption.
Value is subjective. I use the pencil daily for notes and journaling. To me, the iPad Pro carries better value than the Air 2 because of this!
Students. I use mi iPad mini a lot, it is my primary device when i am studying. You can read a lot, more comfortable and fast than a laptop. Perfect to get light works done. Almost everyone at my university uses one.
I can agree with the optimized apps. But the hardware is lacking, Apple needs to make a better iPad if they want to make it a real laptop replacement, not just add "Pro", a fancy camera, and a stylus usefull mostly for artist
A lot of reasons:
1. Contrary to silicon-valley bubble, the Surface Pro is not even available in most markets, especially emerging markets where the growth is. Even if it does, it is priced well above its US MSRP, making it only accessible to the niche rich people (who bought it mostly for status).
2. In those markets, many OEMs are selling $200 or less Android tablets, and even those have cellular radio. Surface Pro with cellular built-in is not common, and it's expensive.
3. Apps, especially entertainment/games. iPad wins, with Android filling the low-mid end.
I moved away from Mac and iPhone 2-3 years ago, so am no longer Apple-centric. But I stick with iPad for my tablet usage.
The key reason is iPads have the best tablet-optimised apps, especially in niche areas I'm interested in.
Other reasons are battery life is excellent and other manufacturers don't always use 4:3 aspect ratio.
The key reason is iPads have the best tablet-optimised apps, especially in niche areas I'm interested in.
Other reasons are battery life is excellent and other manufacturers don't always use 4:3 aspect ratio.
That was a question often asked when the iPad first came out. But I bought one, and I can tell you that I NEED an iPad and over the past few years have updated my iPad several times. I now carry both an iPad Pro 9.7 and an iPad mini 4 with me on a regular basis. The iPad has replaced my need for carrying a Franklin Planner, Note tablet, laptop, pens, walkman, cassette tapes or CD's and other things.
My calendar, task lists, contact list, notes (via the Notes, One Note, Notability apps) Music, Photos, some movies, magazines, newspapers, a few games are all with me all the time. I have Microsoft Office or the Apple alternative with me always, my checkbook and finances. All of this in devices that weigh a pound or less and on top of that don't have me weighed down with a huge messenger bag/laptop case.
Using my new iPad Pro 9.7 and the Apple Pencil, eliminates the need for me to have a notepad in meetings. Now I can easily take handwritten notes directly into my iPad using any of the apps listed above.
Before you ask, who really needs an iPad, think about what people might be using it for and then ask this question....Who actually NEEDS a television, car, laptop, desktop computer, radio, microwave, camera etc. Nobody actually needs any of these things, over the course of our lives and the way we use these conveniences determined our actual "NEED". An iPad/Tablet device in general may not be for you as an individual, but that doesn't give you the right to discount the need for the device for others.
Apple released its fiscal third quarter earnings results earlier this week, confirming that it sold 9.95 million iPads from early March through late June. iPad shipments have now declined for ten consecutive quarters, but the lineup continues to outsell all Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft tablets combined.
Very...interesting statement by that company. Those numbers don't include 2-in-1 PCs or any Surface clones. By this, I mean that the tablets MS sells are 2-in-1 convertible PCs, that are counted by IDC as such. This company is counting a subset of MS computers, not indicating how, nor looking at any other company that sells identical computers.
It also has estimated MS shipments dropping by 30%, which is very odd since MS reported a yoy growth of 60% for Surface. That only corresponds to an error of 225%.
This seems more like "IF these other companies reports sales like these Apple will beat them."
Hmm you must be imagining things as I didn't appear to ask a question. And this report didn't mention Samsung, have you also sent a message to the author reminding them they missed out Samsung?
What exactly are the question marks doing in your post that I originally replied to?
And how exactly is Samsung not mentioned when it is the first one directly mentioned in the article's title "iPad Continues to Outsell Samsung, Amazon, and Microsoft Tablets Combined" and then appears in the article and in the linked report as well?
I mean there's grasping at straws, and then there's grasping at imaginary straws.
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Depends on what you need it for.
If you want something small and light to carry around for occasional use I would go for the Mini. It's ideal for reading books, playing games, checking your emails, web surfing, etc but the screen is too small for watching movies.
If you want something mainly for use at home I would go with the Pro. The 10" is better if you like to sit and hold it in a comfy chair. The 12" is better if like me your iPad will sit mainly on your desk. I use mine like a second laptop with the Apple keyboard attached because I like the touch screen.
They just released/updated the Pro 1 in April so they probably won't update it again until next April which is another 9 months away so I wouldn't bother waiting.
Re watching movies: The iPad has a 4:3 screen ratio whereas iTunes films show in 16:9 so you have a large black band at the top and bottom of the screen which dramatically cuts the screen size
Well I guess nobody 'needs' anything if we go really deep, just food, water, warmth and shelter. Who 'needs a computer'? Unless you are a developer or play big games I'd suggest most people could move to a more portable device. I haven't used a laptop or desktop machine for coming up to 3 years now, I use an iPad as my main computing device, always have an iPhone in my pocket, and would never go back. And before you say I can't use it much, until this time last year I was CEO of a charity and used it more each day than most people would use a computer, I just found it so much more flexible and it worked for my needs. I used it throuout the day 7 days a week. One mistake was having it as my only device, as when I wasn't working my work was always there if I had the iPad in my hands.
It had limitations, I had to re-learn some stuff, but I never went without any tools, and I found plenty more I hadn't used in the past. The portability and fact I had everything I needed across the entire charity in my hand was so useful, and it became more useful as more apps were developed. I'd never use a laptop to take notes in meetings, I always think having a laptop open in a meeting looks rude, but an iPad is very acceptable. It ran events, the websites, retail part of the charity, accounts, managed the staff and their rotas, email marketing, social media, membership database, all our filing systems, medical databases for children we cared fo and loads more. It certainly wasn't a useless toy I left in the shelf.
It's obvious you have no desire to make them work for you however, you are not stupid I'm sure and you qknew what they could and couldn't do. Thhe fact you purchased 4 is a little strange, and that you say the manufacturers didn't care if you needed a device says more about you than them. They are in the business of selling products, not finding out if someone needs them, as I said all we need is food, water, warmth and shelter, you don't 'need' most of the things in your life.
People need to stop thinking any of these companies care about 'you' - they really don't, they couldn't care less who you are or what you do, if you don't like their products and are going to go elsewhere or if you are a new 'switcher', it really doesn't matter to them. You are just a tiny drop in their huge mountain of annual income generated by selling products nobody really needs to people who feel they must buy more 'stuff' to get through life.
Of course they just want the products sold, that's exactly what they do, if you haven't worked that out yet may I be the first to welcome you to the world of global consumerism.
No I wasn't asking a question and your response had nothing to do with my sentences with question marks. And I ,was walking the dog when I replied with crapy mobile signal so didn't see the Samsung in the title. Still as I said no idea why you replied as you did.
Yeah...seems like something is lost in translation somewhere, although it doesn't appear to be on my part. In any case, this isn't going anywhere beyond where it already went in the earlier replies, so I guess we'll leave it at that.
Your word salad is indicative of our tendency for over reactionary posting that disregards the context of the post chain. If you go further in the thread my purchases and reasoning will be patently clear. Also, your anecdote doesn't reflect the need for an iPad. It reflects your preference for tablets in general and an iPad specifically. It's not evidence of need; which was my entire point.
People who don't own computers don't need an iPad. There's no correlation, and besides, there are plenty of abacuses still available.Seriously, an iPad is a want or desire, not a need. It's simply a tablet choice. One of many.
I used to think this way, but both of my parents moved from using MacBooks to using their iPads exclusively.
It's the inherent mobility, they can lounge on the back porch, sip margaritas and browse the web to their hearts' content.
That aside, I wound up picking up the bigger iPad Pro for something to sketch with while on the couch with my GF. I was seriously pondering the Cintiq Companion 2, but after comparing the two, I found myself liking the iPad more.
Your quote simply reinforces my premise. Your parents went from laptop to tablet. It was an expression of choice. Just as you made a choice of the iPP over the CC2. Neither of those choices qualifies as need.
Your parents can still lounge on the back porch with a laptop. Is the tablet easier for them? I'd say yes. But again, easier is not a condition of need.
And if you read what I said I made it clear nobody needs an iPad, nobody needs any of the consumer products we surround ourselves with. For someone trying to tell me I didn't need an iPad it's incredibly odd that you had to purchase 4 tablets yourself but I didn't 'need' just one.
I preferred an iPad as for me it was cheaper, easier to use and just all round more convenient. If I had chosen to use paper and pen and no computers at all it would have cost the charity thousands in time and people to complete tasks, so it was the right choice for me.
I don't follow you around the forums, so I'm not sure why you think I may have read every post to see if I could find out why you decided to explain your desire to buy products that were of no use to you. I read the top posts and noticed two people commenting on the two points you made, so I clicked to your post and read it before adding my comments. I don't really mind how many tablets you have, but for someone telling others they don't like something they have 4 of I find it interesting that you feel the need to tell everyone else they don't need one at all. I don't 'need' a computer, and neither do you. But you still have one - what's the difference?
Your big mistake is trying to link 'need' or lack of to the iPad, when you should actually be linking it to every consumer product. By singling out the iPad your argument fails, it just makes you appear to have a dislike of iPads and feel that everyone else should too.
I was once driven by consumerism, I had a good job and could afford what I wanted, so I bought products because they were heavily marketed and 'the thing' to buy. I had so much stuff that I didn't actually want, and I certainly didn't need any of it. Fast forward and I have moved away from a busy city to live in the middle of the rural countryside, I have very few gadgets and toys these days, my priorities changed when my I became disabled and realised that what I really 'need' is good health. And you can't easily buy that if you have a condition that isn't treatable. I actually have a bigger disposable income than I used to have, so I could buy even more stuff I don't really need, but I just don't want much. My biggest extravagance lately has been Hue bulbs to replace all the lights kin my house. They are not needed, but make he home feel even nicer than it is and my disability makes it hard to get around flicking lights on in the evening - being able to press a button to select an evening scene is nice.
Today I couldn't sit at a desk to use a desktop, and I can't sit still and straight enough to use a laptop, so an iPad is the easiest way for me to use the internet. I do need the internet as I can't get out so easily, and the nearest shops are 25 miles away so not convenient. If I do go to the shops there are not many there, most are in a bigger town which is 70 miles away, so the internet is useful.
Even so I don't need an iPad, but I do need it a lot more than many people who use computers or iPads.
Apologies for the anecdotes, just trying to explain my views on consumerism and need.
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Some of the iOS accessibility functionality makes using an iPad or iPhone easier than a laptop, and they are often cheaper and easier to manage if you have any additional needs.
Be careful with your assumptions, they are a little dangerous. I don't run around preaching accessibility to people as its pointless, and I rarely tell anyone who can't see me that I have a disability, it's none of their business, but I felt the need to tell you that the iPad is easier for me to use, I genuinely couldn't use a laptop or desktop.
Should I go without because you don't like tablets?
Basically, so can an iPad, whether it is the Pro, Mini or Air. Are there particular apps that you are referring too because quite frankly all the big names are also on iPad. Be a little more specific when you talk about "Pro" apps. Also be careful because some of those "windows" apps may have iOS counterparts that do the exact same thing if not better of the iPad. If you are talking about Microsoft apps, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, One Note and Outlook are all on iPad and based on my experience the iPad versions of a few of them are easier and more capable that their windows counterparts. But then again, Word, Excel and PowerPoint all have their roots in the Mac, since they were all Mac apps first.
What exactly are these "Pro" apps you speak of?